trilithim torpedoes - effect on the empire

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-01-14 10:14am

arguments about whether or not it is a dead technology aside (Master of Ossus

) let's pose the hypothetical question. what happens if federation loyalists manage to hit a star, lets say in the coriscant system, with a trilitium torpedo and sending it into supernova. the planet would have several minutes warning to take action before the shockwave hits. what do you all think would be likely scenerios in the minutes following detonation of the star?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-14 10:36am

hit a star, lets say in the coriscant system, with a trilitium torpedo and sending it into supernova. the planet would have several minutes warning to take action before the shockwave hits. what do you all think would be likely scenerios in the minutes following detonation of the star?

A Figher can make it off the planet and into Hyperspace in less than a minute so most of the goverment officals depending on how improtant they are might make it off in time

In acutal affect it won't do much besides Hamper Communcations considering the fact that Generals are off fighting the war not siting on Courscant most of the time

And of course it gives them free liscene to repsond in kind

IE-Sun Crusher

Courscant itself is worthless as a System besides as a crossroads and the Symbolic Seat of Power for thousands of years

Its equivlant to a 500 KT nuke going off in DC

While it might kill alot of people, The Military Machine is largly intact

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-01-14 10:49am

so it would make more sense then to mount the same attack in someplace like the Kuat or Corellian systems.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-01-14 10:55am

Col. Crackpot wrote:so it would make more sense then to mount the same attack in someplace like the Kuat or Corellian systems.

Not sure just how many systems build ships for the Empire or how many superweapons would be available to nix said systems, but the industrial complex of the Empire is staggering, so the effect would still likely not be crippling.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-01-14 10:56am

Oh, and if the Empire could respond in-kind as was suggested, with a sun crusher, then the Federation would run out of industrialized planets much faster than would the Empire.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-14 11:16am

The effect?

80-90% immediate casualties. Those escaping will be those in low orbit, orbit, starships on the pads, or government officials.

Immediate declaration of total war.

Every superweapon that can be dug up being sent to the Star Trek Galaxy and proceeding to smash everything they can find.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-01-14 11:34am

SirNitram wrote:The effect?

80-90% immediate casualties. Those escaping will be those in low orbit, orbit, starships on the pads, or government officials.

Immediate declaration of total war.

Every superweapon that can be dug up being sent to the Star Trek Galaxy and proceeding to smash everything they can find.

that would be pretty fucking cool wouldn't it. if only someone could weave that into a fanfic it would be mindblowing. you really don't see WMD used too often in fics, with the exception of death stars and BDZ's. dammit there just aren't enough galaxy guns and suncrushers and trilitium torpedos and tox uthat's and exploding dyson spheres in trek vs. wars fiction.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-14 11:50am

Incidentl, it wouldn't even cripple the government that long. Byss would take over for the Empire, and Mon Calmari did for the NR. Both keep sets of records on other places just in case somethng happens and they loose the main planet.

Joe Richter · Post by **Joe Richter** » 2003-01-14 12:11pm

I havn't seen generations in a while, so I can't remember what happened to any planets caught in the shockwave, but wouldn't any planetary shield Coruscant have negate some, if not all of the damage suffered? If that was the case, then the short term affect would be little to the surface inhabitants biut the same probably couldn't be said for any industry in orbit. Even if orbitals survived thern Coruscant would be facing a long term environmental desaster as, if I remember correctly, it uses a series or orbital mirrors. Because of this, I would imagine a large percentage of Coruscant inhabitants would have to be evacuated over the course of the preceding weeks.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-14 12:34pm

, but wouldn't any planetary shield Coruscant have negate some, if not all of the damage suffered?

Courscant has the strongest shielding systems in the SW Galaxy outsided of Kuat and Birigini but even it can't stand up to a forking exploding STAR

Kinetics alone woud smash the planet

Oh and FYI, I can see the Federation pulling this off in Courscant due to that systems complete openess and tons of traffic

But Kuat?
bwhhahahah! You have to get by over a thousand ships with Sensors three magintues better than anything aviable to any ST ship and you have yet to even get to Kuat system yet

IMO and all the deepdocks have engines aboard and some even have hyperdrives, your not gonna catch Kuat napping

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-14 12:39pm

Actually, the energy from a supernova that actually hits the planet might not overload the shielding, given the energy absorption capabilities evidenced by the Alderaan shield. It's also possible that Palpatine would drain the lives of a few billion people(the population of Byss for starters) to power a Force Storm to disperse the energy headed directly for the planet.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-14 12:43pm

That agian Consquences still won't solve the Kinetic problem which is roughly enough to drive the Generators through the planet and out the backside...

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-14 12:49pm

Coruscant's sun isn't massive enough to go supernova. Let's say it dumps 1E40 J. At a radius of 1.5AU IIRC, I believe we're looking at a hit in the 1E30-1E31 J range. The shield might actually take that, assuming pure energy. The larger problem might be ejecta from the star, monster EMP, etc.

Either way, the retribution would be swift and terrible. Every single Federation world would be a barren wasteland within a matter of days. The slightest peep from the Klingons or Romulans and they would be next, if they don't decide to fry 'em anyway just to make a point.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-14 12:54pm

If I was the Empire, I'd probably have additional Kinetic shielding generated from space borne platforms to try to counter that. Hell with it, just shield the entire system and have done with it

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-14 01:04pm

If I was the Empire, I'd probably have additional Kinetic shielding generated from space borne platforms to try to counter that. Hell with it, just shield the entire system and have done with it

Every Action a Reaction, Ray shielding works by Sprending out Energy and diffusing it to harmless levels, Kinetic the same way, The point is a Star Going Nova,
Thier is simple to MUCH Kinetic force for ANY sized shield system to stop due to size constraints(Do you want half the plants surface taken up to protect aginst that sized of a KE hit?)

FX · Post by FX » 2003-01-14 01:14pm

Even if the generators aren't ripped through the planet a supernova causes a star to swell enough to encompass anything inside of Earth's orbit. This means that the planet is either engulfed in the star, or just outside it. No shield would be able to hold out vs. being that close to a star for the length of time it would take for it to collapse which would take centuries at least. In all cases the system's planets are a loss due to stellar expansion. If there are rocky planets further out they might be useable, but would need to be terraformed first.

I'm assuming that the star hit by one of these torpedoes acts like a normal dying star, if it does not for some technobabble reason please disregard.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-01-14 01:32pm

anyway i think it has been established that unless the feddie's had absolutely nothing left to lose, an attack of this kind , while a tactical victory, would be a strategic failure.....an intergalactic Pearl Harbor. unless of course they could somehow use it a a strategic deterent, which would be immensely difficult. Blow up a minor world like Bespin and threaten the big population centers....Coruscant, Nar Shadda etc. that could be a powerful psy-ops tool as well. 'Look how the primitives destroyed the heart of the empire....yadda yadda yadda'

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-14 02:33pm

in the event that the feddies wanna launch a multi-strike, bearing in ming such a thing would take a life time to set up, it's be no more than a scratch. OK you lose a few ship yards there is a repair yard in most sectors. one re-fit and the repair yard becomes a ship-yard.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-14 03:46pm

Be a nice psych-out...but the retaliation would make anything one can concieve of to be puny and small.

The Federation would become basically a word you use in place of dung heap...or coward. Seriously they would go from something conquered to not even a footnote in history.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-01-15 03:23am

this may actualy drive the Rebels into the Imperial camp .Sure they are fighting for freedom but some insane loonies blow a star up????? good grief

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-15 03:25am

The Federation should have the space navy equivalent of boomer subs equipped w/ trilithium torpedo silos.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-15 03:54am

jegs2 wrote:Oh, and if the Empire could respond in-kind as was suggested, with a sun crusher, then the Federation would run out of industrialized planets much faster than would the Empire.

They don't need superweapons to totally immolate UFP planets.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-15 03:56am

FX wrote:Even if the generators aren't ripped through the planet a supernova causes a star to swell enough to encompass anything inside of Earth's orbit. This means that the planet is either engulfed in the star, or just outside it. No shield would be able to hold out vs. being that close to a star for the length of time it would take for it to collapse which would take centuries at least. In all cases the system's planets are a loss due to stellar expansion. If there are rocky planets further out they might be useable, but would need to be terraformed first.

I'm assuming that the star hit by one of these torpedoes acts like a normal dying star, if it does not for some technobabble reason please disregard.

You seem to be describing the entire death cycle of a star. Trilithium/resonence torpedoes cause a star to pretty much automatically explode within a few minutes of impact.

So I guess we can disregard.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-15 08:23am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:The Federation should have the space navy equivalent of boomer subs equipped w/ trilithium torpedo silos.

This I like. Unfortunately they are too stupid

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-01-15 12:16pm

Pu-239 wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:The Federation should have the space navy equivalent of boomer subs equipped w/ trilithium torpedo silos.
This I like. Unfortunately they are too stupid

thats the best goddamn fed defense strategy i have heard on this board...or any for that matter. a fleet of phase cloaked boomers. it might work if the fed had hyperdrive which they don't. or if they managed to keep ships in communication with some kind of flash traffic message system the US Navy uses. they most likely could not keep the empire at bay for long, but that would be a kickass strategy against the rommies and dominion.

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trilithim torpedoes - effect on the empire

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