School Guards break girls's wrist when she drops cake

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-09-30 10:15am

Hiring white security guards to police black students was a mistake. Security guards generally come from the (ahem) less educated class. But trying to cover it up rather than immediately disciplining the guards was a HUGE mistake.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2007-09-30 10:55am

Oni Koneko Damien wrote:
You just have to love the language they use there. It was recorded on multiple cameras and corroborated by multiple eyewitnesses, but apparently it's all a 'he said, she said' and an 'allegedly happened' type of thing. It's not as if these are the most difficult allegations to verify so you can say "This evidently happened" rather than "Well, he/she said, and this *allegedly* happened". Honestly, would the same uncertain, non-confirming language be used if it were a couple white kids being assaulted by black security guards?

Even better: Would this take more than a couple hours to make national news if it happened to a couple white kids at the hands of black security guards?

I'm not sure what the problem is with the use of the language by the article. Until its been proven or otherwise settled in court claiming that it actually was the case can lead to liability issues. So it's not as if this is some unique way of phrasing things.

Scottish Ninja · Post by **Scottish Ninja** » 2007-09-30 10:55am

Something else - although the word "altercation" is frequently misused in the language nowadays, it means nothing more than a heated exchange of words. I doubt that the word choice was deliberate, but to a veteran grammar nazi it looks just particularly insidious.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2007-09-30 11:30am

This is really horrifying. Is there any way that we can help make this known?

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2007-09-30 12:17pm

Heh. There used to be no school guards in Russia until 1993 as I recall. I can't really weigh anything here, school guards in Russia are more or less a novelty and my childhood was luckily spared any confrontation with school security. The one in our school consisted of one little old woman

But the fact that racists can openly act like that and fear little retribution is appaling.

Hawkwings · Post by **Hawkwings** » 2007-09-30 12:41pm

We have 2 police officers at our school, and about 4 "security officers" that are on staff because they're coaches and need a school job to retain their position. They don't really do much of any importance, they don't even enforce the parking rules, but when a fight break out they stop it very quickly. And once there was a organized fight down in the football stadium, they broke that up really fast.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2007-09-30 01:06pm

Thank god for camera phones. In the past there really wouldn't be any room for recourse because the security guard would simply have said that they were being beligerant and he did what he had to do and most people would believe him. People don't like to believe that things like this happen and often attempts to turn it around on to the victim.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2007-09-30 02:02pm

Darth Wong wrote:Hiring white security guards to police black students was a mistake. Security guards generally come from the (ahem) less educated class. But trying to cover it up rather than immediately disciplining the guards was a HUGE mistake.

Palmdale is a trailer trash, meth infested shithole, and that apparent skinheads work as security in the schools didn't come as any surprise when I learned where this took place.

The white, biker/trailer trash methhead stereotype originated in Lancaster/Palmdale in the mid-eighties, it was literally born there.

I hate that place, hate it.

Oni Koneko Damien · Post by **Oni Koneko Damien** » 2007-09-30 03:28pm

General Zod wrote:I'm not sure what the problem is with the use of the language by the article. Until its been proven or otherwise settled in court claiming that it actually was the case can lead to liability issues. So it's not as if this is some unique way of phrasing things.

I went through a couple different news stories at random to verify it, and yeah, the same language is used throughout, so I retract that claim. Still, absolutely no sign of this story in the national news, apparently it's not profitable enough yet.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2007-09-30 03:45pm

I know some other folks have asked what the mother was being arrested for. Apparently when she came to the school she 'shoved' a security guard and/or vice principal.

Which means she probably stuck her finger in his chest.

darthbob88 · Post by **darthbob88** » 2007-09-30 04:18pm

Oni Koneko Damien wrote:Even better: Would this take more than a couple hours to make national news if it happened to a couple white kids at the hands of black security guards?

"Breaking news, earlier today a pair of security guards assaulted a 14yo female student for dropping a cake after being jostled in line. The student is currently in the hospital with a broken arm, though she seems to be doing well. The guards are scheduled to be crucified later tonight, bring your children." Gotta love racism and double standards.

Eulogy · Post by **Eulogy** » 2007-09-30 11:03pm

Darth Wong wrote:Hiring white security guards to police black students was a mistake. Security guards generally come from the (ahem) less educated class. But trying to cover it up rather than immediately disciplining the guards was a HUGE mistake.

No kidding. But will it be enough, I wonder? Or will some other residents take the law into their own hands?

Others have already voiced my feelings on this matter. I can only hope that good people spread around this story and raise a shitstorm that will bury these inbred, racist, felching shitgoblins and show the world what scum of scum they truly are.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-10-01 02:00am

Bounty wrote:Knight High School

Great, it's called Knight Highschool, an aptly named school for carrying on the good white-christians duty of beating up on darkie.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2007-10-01 02:50am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I know some other folks have asked what the mother was being arrested for. Apparently when she came to the school she 'shoved' a security guard and/or vice principal.

Which means she probably stuck her finger in his chest.

Even if she outright shoved an asshole security guard, this doesn't constitute assault. They broke her daughter's wrist for fuck's sake! The security guard is a big boy ; he can handle being shoved.

From reading these articles, it seems like people in that school are just totally fucking insane. Expelling the child? Arresting the mother? The hell?

Even during the height of Stalinist opression things like these were rare, and being chewed out by angry parents was considered part of a school principal's job. What's with all that covering up?

Has anybody contacted a major news outlet about this? It could be worth a shot.

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2007-10-01 03:25am

PeZook wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:I know some other folks have asked what the mother was being arrested for. Apparently when she came to the school she 'shoved' a security guard and/or vice principal.

Which means she probably stuck her finger in his chest.
Even if she outright shoved an asshole security guard, this doesn't constitute assault. They broke her daughter's wrist for fuck's sake! The security guard is a big boy ; he can handle being shoved.

Yeah, it's still assault.

The guards had no legal right to lay a hand on the kid, though. Even if she had dropped the cake intentionally, refused to clean it up, told them to go fuck themselves, or any other manner of disrespect they had no legal right to touch her. Why these fat stupid cocksuckers aren't in jail right now is a mystery to me considering the fact that they committed assult and battery resulting in great bodily harm.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2007-10-01 03:34am

Flagg wrote: Yeah, it's still assault.

Doesn't assault require actual bodily harm? I'm not sure about American law, so I guess I'll have to grant that you're probably right.

I'll still argue it's idiotic to have her arrested, though, even if technically she did assault the guard. She's obviously distraught, her daughter is in the hospital and the school is acting as if nothing happened. Reasonable people would understand why she'd be a little more agressive than usual, and it's not like the guard will be hurt by being shoved, unless he's not much of a guard

Then again, as I wrote above, these people seem completely insane.

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2007-10-01 03:46am

PeZook wrote:
Flagg wrote: Yeah, it's still assault.
Doesn't assault require actual bodily harm? I'm not sure about American law, so I guess I'll have to grant that you're probably right.

Nope, assault doesn't even have to require physical contact. If I were the DA I sure as hell wouldn't go forward with the charges, but if the asshole guard wanted her arrested for it, then the police pretty much have to.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2007-10-01 03:48am

PeZook wrote:
Flagg wrote: Yeah, it's still assault.
Doesn't assault require actual bodily harm? I'm not sure about American law, so I guess I'll have to grant that you're probably right.

No, you're thinking of battery. In the US, assault refers only to "the threat of violence caused by an immediate show of force." That is, if you threaten someone with your fist, you're committing assault.

I'll still argue it's idiotic to have her arrested, though, even if technically she did assault the guard. She's obviously distraught, her daughter is in the hospital and the school is acting as if nothing happened. Reasonable people would understand why she'd be a little more agressive than usual, and it's not like the guard will be hurt by being shoved, unless he's not much of a guard

Then again, as I wrote above, these people seem completely insane.

Oh, I agree completely. This is utterly insane, and fucked up beyond imagination. Unfortunately, she did break the law.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2007-10-01 04:10am

fgalkin wrote: No, you're thinking of battery. In the US, assault refers only to "the threat of violence caused by an immediate show of force." That is, if you threaten someone with your fist, you're committing assault.

Ah, thanks for clarifying that. All those different words confused me

The distinctions work a bit differently here, concentrating on the degree of bodily harm done.

fgalkin wrote:Oh, I agree completely. This is utterly insane, and fucked up beyond imagination. Unfortunately, she did break the law.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

What can they do to her, though, even if they wanted to throw the book at her? Can she be imprisoned for shoving someone, or will she at most get a fine?

Post by **fgalkin** » 2007-10-01 04:22am

Depends on the local authorities, I guess. If they are of the Jena variety, then she'll get a lot of shit over this.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2007-10-01 04:27pm

Its all over YouTube. Here's one video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovgc50DxsjM

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2007-10-02 09:36pm

Schools really don't have much trust in us anymore. At my high school we have at least two "resource officers", essentially cops who also act as coaches, even though I have never seen them out of uniform. Even when walking around at lunch they have Glocks visible to everyone. I think he even tries to make people notice that he is armed. At my middle school there were around four such officers. What confuses me is that the worst fight that we had on campus was two black girls clawing at each other and pulling each other's hair. Why would a pair of armed police officers be necessary in a generally good school?

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2007-10-02 10:34pm

chitoryu12 wrote:Schools really don't have much trust in us anymore. At my high school we have at least two "resource officers", essentially cops who also act as coaches, even though I have never seen them out of uniform. Even when walking around at lunch they have Glocks visible to everyone. I think he even tries to make people notice that he is armed. At my middle school there were around four such officers. What confuses me is that the worst fight that we had on campus was two black girls clawing at each other and pulling each other's hair. Why would a pair of armed police officers be necessary in a generally good school?

There's that pesky 'expecting it to make sense' thing again. Its mostly about fear and money. Good schools who have the money to hire guards get them to stop from becoming like the bad ones. Bad ones that need the guards usually don't have the money to hire decently trained guards. Also the district sets a 'minimum standard' for the guards which runs from ludicrously under-trained to mind boggling stupidity.

KlavoHunter · Post by **KlavoHunter** » 2007-10-02 10:48pm

chitoryu12 wrote:Schools really don't have much trust in us anymore. At my high school we have at least two "resource officers", essentially cops who also act as coaches, even though I have never seen them out of uniform. Even when walking around at lunch they have Glocks visible to everyone. I think he even tries to make people notice that he is armed. At my middle school there were around four such officers. What confuses me is that the worst fight that we had on campus was two black girls clawing at each other and pulling each other's hair. Why would a pair of armed police officers be necessary in a generally good school?

So they can shoot those damned trouble-making darkies, of course

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2007-10-02 10:59pm

KlavoHunter wrote:
chitoryu12 wrote:Schools really don't have much trust in us anymore. At my high school we have at least two "resource officers", essentially cops who also act as coaches, even though I have never seen them out of uniform. Even when walking around at lunch they have Glocks visible to everyone. I think he even tries to make people notice that he is armed. At my middle school there were around four such officers. What confuses me is that the worst fight that we had on campus was two black girls clawing at each other and pulling each other's hair. Why would a pair of armed police officers be necessary in a generally good school?
So they can shoot those damned trouble-making darkies, of course

Why don't you just say that you have no idea instead of posting emotional vomit?

SRO do much more than act as security guards. High schools, even good ones, have a crime problem most notably drugs. SRO's are their to act as a deterrent for that, and to serve as a liason between the police department and the school.

IIRC this program began in reaction to Columbine.