Which scenes would you like to see redone in newer CG?
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A big crater forming would make the Death Star look wimpy, as it stands it simply ass-rapes that planet with an overkill of power.
Besides, the almost "Alderaan-blink-BOOM" nature of Alderaan's destruction is much much more terrifying.
The whole "lightning bolts, earthquake, massive chaos" thing can at least be though of as "Well, at least some people had a chance to turn to their loved ones and say something like I love you or hug their children"
The people on Alderaan however, never got that chance, and probably didnt even know they were dead. "Hey, whats that big thing over there? It loo--BOOM!!!!!........."
Besides, the almost "Alderaan-blink-BOOM" nature of Alderaan's destruction is much much more terrifying.
The whole "lightning bolts, earthquake, massive chaos" thing can at least be though of as "Well, at least some people had a chance to turn to their loved ones and say something like I love you or hug their children"
The people on Alderaan however, never got that chance, and probably didnt even know they were dead. "Hey, whats that big thing over there? It loo--BOOM!!!!!........."
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1) Han Shoots First: This is easy--let's just remove that footage and replace it with the original scene. Done.
2) Alderaan Destruction: No more ring explosion. Add chatter in the background during the Deathstar's power-up procedure that adds comments about range and if possible, about the planet raising shields. The explosion would be a nice visible shield effect for a frame and a half before it glazes over white hot, the planet flashes to red, and then explodes. Bam! All in a fraction of a second that gives people a feeling of a tankshell blasting through tissue paper.
3) Battle of Endor: Let's have some serious weaponfire going on here, please? I get the idea that the Imperial Fleet is holding off, which is perfectly fine, but once the fighting DOES start I want to see some shots of blasts zipping across mammoth distances and unleashing rather horrific amounts of devastation.
4) Battle of Hoth: Demonstrate the AT-AT landing procedure a little.
5) Battle of Genosis: I know, this one WAS done in the era of CG. But, for goodness' sake, let's see some Turbolasers slamming down into the planetary surface. Not little piddly guns, I want to see an actual turbolaser doing some full-scale weapon damage, so people have a visual representation of the kind of forces we're dealing with.
2) Alderaan Destruction: No more ring explosion. Add chatter in the background during the Deathstar's power-up procedure that adds comments about range and if possible, about the planet raising shields. The explosion would be a nice visible shield effect for a frame and a half before it glazes over white hot, the planet flashes to red, and then explodes. Bam! All in a fraction of a second that gives people a feeling of a tankshell blasting through tissue paper.
3) Battle of Endor: Let's have some serious weaponfire going on here, please? I get the idea that the Imperial Fleet is holding off, which is perfectly fine, but once the fighting DOES start I want to see some shots of blasts zipping across mammoth distances and unleashing rather horrific amounts of devastation.
4) Battle of Hoth: Demonstrate the AT-AT landing procedure a little.
5) Battle of Genosis: I know, this one WAS done in the era of CG. But, for goodness' sake, let's see some Turbolasers slamming down into the planetary surface. Not little piddly guns, I want to see an actual turbolaser doing some full-scale weapon damage, so people have a visual representation of the kind of forces we're dealing with.
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You're misunderstanding me. I just want to actually see the planet get blown apart, otherwise it just looses its effect.Darth Ruinus wrote:A big crater forming would make the Death Star look wimpy, as it stands it simply ass-rapes that planet with an overkill of power.
Besides, the almost "Alderaan-blink-BOOM" nature of Alderaan's destruction is much much more terrifying.
The whole "lightning bolts, earthquake, massive chaos" thing can at least be though of as "Well, at least some people had a chance to turn to their loved ones and say something like I love you or hug their children"
The people on Alderaan however, never got that chance, and probably didnt even know they were dead. "Hey, whats that big thing over there? It loo--BOOM!!!!!........."
There's just no feeling of significance at all. It's just *whizz-bang*, Leia gets sad, Obi-wan gets jittery, and that's the end of it.
I hate to put it this way, but you leave me with little choice; remember the destruction of that Veridian planet in ST: Generations? Imagine something like that over about oh, two-three frames.
Just actually animate it instead of just replacing it with an explosion.
You'll get people thinking "Holy shit, they just destroyed Alderaan!" instead of "Oh, yeah, they blew it up. Was that important or something?"
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Well, because for the Empire it was a really minor issue... the conversation between Tarkin and Leia proven that also. They could and would blow up a planet anytime they desire to do so. And the destruction scene perfectly agrees with that.Ryan Thunder wrote: You'll get people thinking "Holy shit, they just destroyed Alderaan!" instead of "Oh, yeah, they blew it up. Was that important or something?"
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The latest iteration of the Alderaan explosion looks just fine, apart from the weird rings perhaps, and so did the other ones.
Three small things to be fixed:
1) All lightsabres in ANH. Yes, all of them. They look horrible and most get misaligned.
2) Battle of Hoth. The walkers have jerky motion at times, almost as if they were stop-motion animated...
3) Battle of Endor. That first scene when the TIEs are appearing out of thin air... er, space. Fix that.
Three small things to be fixed:
1) All lightsabres in ANH. Yes, all of them. They look horrible and most get misaligned.
2) Battle of Hoth. The walkers have jerky motion at times, almost as if they were stop-motion animated...
3) Battle of Endor. That first scene when the TIEs are appearing out of thin air... er, space. Fix that.
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Seconded. I don't know about misalignment, but they do look pretty bad nevertheless.Dooey Jo wrote: Three small things to be fixed:
1) All lightsabres in ANH. Yes, all of them. They look horrible and most get misaligned.
They were...2) Battle of Hoth. The walkers have jerky motion at times, almost as if they were stop-motion animated...
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I'm not sure why you're saying we don't see the planet get blown apart. Last I checked, we actually did get to see Alderaan blow up:Ryan Thunder wrote:You're misunderstanding me. I just want to actually see the planet get blown apart, otherwise it just looses its effect.
There's just no feeling of significance at all. It's just *whizz-bang*, Leia gets sad, Obi-wan gets jittery, and that's the end of it.
I can post the frame-by-frame if you want. I'm not sure what the fading-out you're describing is, because I don't see it at all.
Why isn't seeing the planet explode like a firecracker enough for you to go "Holy shit, they just destroyed Alderaan!"?You'll get people thinking "Holy shit, they just destroyed Alderaan!" instead of "Oh, yeah, they blew it up. Was that important or something?"
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How about adding some of the other walkers from AOTC and ROTS?Dooey Jo wrote: 2) Battle of Hoth. The walkers have jerky motion at times, almost as if they were stop-motion animated...
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...like what, the spider-droids and tiny little precursors to the AT-ST?Darth Servo wrote:How about adding some of the other walkers from AOTC and ROTS?Dooey Jo wrote: 2) Battle of Hoth. The walkers have jerky motion at times, almost as if they were stop-motion animated...
An AT-TE would have been nice to see, but given their weapons range, it would have made the AT-ATs rather pointless.
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I'd like to see them actually redo Episode I and get rid of the Yoda Puppet with the CGI Yoda from RoTS. I know we saw a glimpse of what that could have looked like, I just think itwould have been a good idea.
I'd also like to see them CGI erase a chunk of Jar Jar's screen time, like the Phantom Edit only more professionally done.
As far as the OT goes, use a little CGI to expand on the Battle of Endor, don't change any of the scenes but add in some ship to ship slugfests. Same with Hoth, add a few scenes showing a massive Imperial army descending to the surface.
I'd also like to see them CGI erase a chunk of Jar Jar's screen time, like the Phantom Edit only more professionally done.
As far as the OT goes, use a little CGI to expand on the Battle of Endor, don't change any of the scenes but add in some ship to ship slugfests. Same with Hoth, add a few scenes showing a massive Imperial army descending to the surface.
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I'm not so sure about that. It could get too crowded by adding even more things. As it is, it's a few AT-ATs slowly approaching the base and owning the shit out of everything, and it's great. Apart from those times when their animated (actually, they were go-motion animated, not stop-motion) nature is as obvious as that of the endoskeleton from Terminator. It's still great, but CGI could make it better in that department.Darth Servo wrote:How about adding some of the other walkers from AOTC and ROTS?Dooey Jo wrote: 2) Battle of Hoth. The walkers have jerky motion at times, almost as if they were stop-motion animated...
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It was depicted the way it was intended to. The actual Battle of Hoth was a lopsided rout by the Imperials, but it had the intended effect of buying enough time to allow the transports time to launch, some of which escaped.ray245 wrote:More rebels troopers vs stormtrooper battles? I mean, the battle of hoth we can only see rebel infantry being close to useless and hardly scoring any kills.
Just give us a few more snowtroopers getting shot by rebels will be nice.
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Re: Which scenes would you like to see redone in newer CG?
Honestly, I like the old models better. So except for going in and removing mat lines and perhaps fixing the lightsabers in ANH, I don't want CGI in it.Darth Ruinus wrote:Title is pretty much straightforward. What scenes from the OT (if any) would you like to see redone (or slightly changed) with newer CG?
I would hope that horrible abortion of an attempt at re-editing Han dodging that blaster bolt in ANH is remade or cut completely.
That and the Space Battle of Endor.
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Re: Which scenes would you like to see redone in newer CG?
I'm with Knife, I'm a big fan of the original theatrical releases of the OT.Knife wrote:
Honestly, I like the old models better. So except for going in and removing mat lines and perhaps fixing the lightsabers in ANH, I don't want CGI in it.
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The rebel pilot briefing in ANH with the digital death star graphic could be brought up to date.
Also, while strictly unneccesary, it would be cool to see the space battle of Endor expanded. Thousands of ships stretching beyond the field of view, swarms of space fighters billowing like clouds of smoke, and ships ripping at the seams as colossal bolts pierce them. Stuff like that.
Also, while strictly unneccesary, it would be cool to see the space battle of Endor expanded. Thousands of ships stretching beyond the field of view, swarms of space fighters billowing like clouds of smoke, and ships ripping at the seams as colossal bolts pierce them. Stuff like that.
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from the OT, well space battles and most if not all Yoda shots (the puppet was fine for it's time but...) and the rancor.
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And just what the hell is that supposed to mean?havokeff wrote:No changes. It's fine the way it is. You guys are just as bad as Lucas.
A simple update means that Star Destroyers will look like actual starships, rather than large models (which they were), lightsabres should look better (but that's particularly hard to fix, I'd imagine), the Super Star Destroyer won't look weird the first time we see it, people will get a better sense of its scale, the Death Star will look more convincing, etc.
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What it means is that it is a science fiction/fantasy movie, not a technical manual. The reason we love Star Wars is because it fires the imagination and lets us escape to a fantastic world of make believe, NOT because the the big Star Destroyer was scaled properly to the small Star Destroyer.Ryan Thunder wrote:And just what the hell is that supposed to mean?havokeff wrote:No changes. It's fine the way it is. You guys are just as bad as Lucas.
A simple update means that Star Destroyers will look like actual starships, rather than large models (which they were), lightsabres should look better (but that's particularly hard to fix, I'd imagine), the Super Star Destroyer won't look weird the first time we see it, people will get a better sense of its scale, the Death Star will look more convincing, etc.
And hey, moron, what exactly does an "actual starship" look like? Last time I checked the only "actual starship" any of us have seen is NASA's space shuttle. Oh you mean you like the way FAKE CGI looks better than a FAKE models. Right.
And how, exactly, do you propose to make a 900km, spherical space station that can obliterate a planet in 2 seconds more convincing?
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It is scaled properly. It just doesn't look like its that size on the screen.havokeff wrote:What it means is that it is a science fiction/fantasy movie, not a technical manual. The reason we love Star Wars is because it fires the imagination and lets us escape to a fantastic world of make believe, NOT because the the big Star Destroyer was scaled properly to the small Star Destroyer.
It was a bad choice of words, halfwit. Nice of you to read way too far into it.And hey, moron, what exactly does an "actual starship" look like? Last time I checked the only "actual starship" any of us have seen is NASA's space shuttle.
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I prefer the models if for nothing else, they seem to have a LOT more detail.
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