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Woman In Police Custody Dies At Sky Harbor

PHOENIX -- A 45-year-old woman who was in police custody after being arrested for disorderly conduct in a Phoenix airport terminal died in a holding room while apparently struggling with her handcuffs, police said.

Carol Ann Gotbaum, 45, left alone in the room, was possibly trying to break free from the handcuffs when she got them entangled around her neck, said Sgt. Andy Hill of the Phoenix Police Department.

Hill said a medical examiner will have to make a final determination as to the manner and cause of death.

Gotbaum is the daughter-in-law of New York City Public Advocate Betsy Gotbaum, the Daily News reported in Sunday editions.

"We are extraordinarily upset," said Gotbaum.

She added that her daughter-in-law had three young children.

Gotbaum spoke briefly to media across the street from her Manhattan building on Sunday.

"It's obviously very, very difficult for us, we are dealing with it as best we can. My number one focus is those children and my stepson. I hope the press will consider our feelings and please, please, please don't ask us any more questions," she said.

The flier went into medical distress and lost consciousness, Hill said.

Officers administered CPR and firefighters joined in when they arrived at Terminal 4, but their sustained efforts could not revive her.

According to witnesses, Friday afternoon's incident at Sky Harbor International Airport began when Gotbaum was unable to board her flight and started arguing with a gate attendant, Hill said.

Gotbaum was denied entry to a US Airways Express flight headed to Tucson because she was late arriving at the gate and the plane was already preparing to depart, US Airways spokesman Derek Hanna said Saturday.

She was rebooked on the next flight, but "she became extremely irate, apparently running up and down the gate area."

A number of witnesses told officers they observed Gotbaum yelling and screaming while running through the terminal, according to Hill.

Two officers who initially responded approached her as she was going past the security checkpoint area back into the terminal, Hill said.

The officers were not able to calm Gotbaum and eventually arrested her for disorderly conduct, Hill said.

Woman Enraged, Witnesses Say

Gotbaum initially resisted being handcuffed, but she was finally taken into custody near the security checkpoint, according to Hill.

The woman was whisked to a police holding room office in terminal 4.

A number of police employees were in the room at the time, Hill said. Gotbaum was placed in an individual holding room by herself in handcuffs.

When officers outside the door did not hear her voice, they went in to check on her and found her unconscious.
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While I regret that the woman died, I'm not rushing to the 'blame the police' bandwagon on this one. The only way she could have done this to herself is if she was trying to get OUT of the handcuffs or manipulate them in ways she wasn't supposed to. If the cuffs were chained to the wall or the floor, that kind of thing can easily happen. I knew a guy once who was drunk in a holding cell and almost did the same thing.
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Unless there was a video camera in the holding room, someone so inclined could sure see this as a "shot himself three times in the head" or "beat herself to death on the concrete floor" kind of situation.

I'm agnostic on this one, but you know how it can be...
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Well, multiple witnesses saw her running back and forth screaming at an airport terminal, and resisting arrest. Considering the location, I'd say the police were more than justified in cuffing her.

My assumption for the moment is that they cuffed her hands behind her back, and somehow she got her arms looped around her head in an attempt to get them off. I'm wondering if she has a history of irrational behaviour, seeing as how running back and for screaming at an airport, resisting arrest, and then even when locked in a room, still attempting to remove your cuffs seems to be just a bit unusual.
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Oni Koneko Damien wrote:I'm wondering if she has a history of irrational behaviour, seeing as how running back and for screaming at an airport, resisting arrest, and then even when locked in a room, still attempting to remove your cuffs seems to be just a bit unusual.
Maybe. So far the reports I have seen have all her intimates describing her as 'stable, loving, etc...' but that might change.

Travel seems to bring out the crazy in a lot of people, lately.
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People are always stable, loving, good people after they're dead. Even if they were shot for brandishing a firearm at a cop.
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Yes...a variation of the but he was such a quite fellow quotes one always hears, while the blood is being mopped up...
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quiet, that is.
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Oni Koneko Damien wrote:Well, multiple witnesses saw her running back and forth screaming at an airport terminal, and resisting arrest. Considering the location, I'd say the police were more than justified in cuffing her.

My assumption for the moment is that they cuffed her hands behind her back, and somehow she got her arms looped around her head in an attempt to get them off. I'm wondering if she has a history of irrational behaviour, seeing as how running back and for screaming at an airport, resisting arrest, and then even when locked in a room, still attempting to remove your cuffs seems to be just a bit unusual.
for some reason ALOT of people try to either remove or at least position their handcuffs so that they are in the front. I see it almost every day, so it is not really unusual for people to do that. I think irrational or pointless would be a better word.
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That's quite an accomplishment. I wonder how many people have actually died this way before her.
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I wonder...does US police procedures posit that every suspect be cuffed with his/her hands behind his/her back?

It seems that non-violent suspects could be simply cuffed with their hands in front, and it wouldn't force them to sit in an awkward position for hours on end.
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Death from the Sea wrote:for some reason ALOT of people try to either remove or at least position their handcuffs so that they are in the front. I see it almost every day, so it is not really unusual for people to do that. I think irrational or pointless would be a better word.
I would feel much more comfortable with my hands cuffed in front of me than behind me. Wouldn't you?
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Yes.

But, if I were the arresting officer, I'd feel much more comfortable if my prisoner's hands are cuffed in back. They're easier to control, and unable to get the cuff's chain across your throat, if you get careless.
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PeZook wrote:I wonder...does US police procedures posit that every suspect be cuffed with his/her hands behind his/her back?

It seems that non-violent suspects could be simply cuffed with their hands in front, and it wouldn't force them to sit in an awkward position for hours on end.
Well,

1) Cuffs are pretty much designed for suspects who are believed to be capable of committing violence, so though it's kind of circular, the whole 'cuffing non-violent suspects' is a non-issue because, in police logic, they'll only cuff you if they believe you may be violent and/or resist.

2) Cuffing someone's hands behind their back is usually (aside from this instance, apparently) infinitely safer and more effective than cuffing them in front. If you cuff someone's hands in front of them, the can easily flail their arms about, turning the cuffs themselves into a deadly weapon, they can hold, aim, and fire a gun if they got their hands on one, they can make crude but effective punches, they can strangle other people with their hands, or even use the cuffs for it. With their hands behind their back, all of this is practically impossible.

In terms of overall safety for all involved, cuffing the hands behind the back is generally far better.
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Of course, leaving her *unsupervised*, as they apparently did, for long enough for her to do this was monumentally stupid on their part. I could see them justifiably getting charged with negligence at the very least.
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Oni Koneko Damien wrote: 1) Cuffs are pretty much designed for suspects who are believed to be capable of committing violence, so though it's kind of circular, the whole 'cuffing non-violent suspects' is a non-issue because, in police logic, they'll only cuff you if they believe you may be violent and/or resist.
From personal experience I can testify that you should expect to get cuffed, even if you have done nothing to suggest that you might become violent.

Which of course is a very small statistical sample.
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Death from the Sea wrote:for some reason ALOT of people try to either remove or at least position their handcuffs so that they are in the front. I see it almost every day, so it is not really unusual for people to do that. I think irrational or pointless would be a better word.
I would feel much more comfortable with my hands cuffed in front of me than behind me. Wouldn't you?
perhaps, but handcuffs were not designed for comfort. If they had been then they wouldn't be made of hardened steel. The reason I say it is pointless is that once the officer sees this, they will take action to correct it.

Every suspect is cuffed behind their back for safety reasons. It is much harder for them to do anything effectively with their hands behind their back. Even with "non-violent" suspects, it is extremely dangerous to hand cuff them in the front because they can turn on you in a second. Besides if you hand cuff person 1 and 2 and 3 in the front but not person 4 because 1 2 3 are "non-violent" and person 4 is "violent" then you are not being uniform in the way you are treating people.
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Oni Koneko Damien wrote:
Well,

1) Cuffs are pretty much designed for suspects who are believed to be capable of committing violence, so though it's kind of circular, the whole 'cuffing non-violent suspects' is a non-issue because, in police logic, they'll only cuff you if they believe you may be violent and/or resist.
Partially correct. If you're being arrested, no matter the reason, then you'll be cuffed. This is because otherwise calm people can turn incredibly violent once you tell them they're going to jail.
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PeZook wrote:I wonder...does US police procedures posit that every suspect be cuffed with his/her hands behind his/her back?

It seems that non-violent suspects could be simply cuffed with their hands in front, and it wouldn't force them to sit in an awkward position for hours on end.
Would you be willing to place your life on the line just because someone hasn't displayed any aggressive indicators?

There are training videos where exactly what you suggest occured, and the officer was killed because the subject went from harmless citizen to cop killer in a split second.
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Death from the Sea wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:for some reason ALOT of people try to either remove or at least position their handcuffs so that they are in the front. I see it almost every day, so it is not really unusual for people to do that. I think irrational or pointless would be a better word.
I would feel much more comfortable with my hands cuffed in front of me than behind me. Wouldn't you?
perhaps, but handcuffs were not designed for comfort. If they had been then they wouldn't be made of hardened steel. The reason I say it is pointless is that once the officer sees this, they will take action to correct it.

Every suspect is cuffed behind their back for safety reasons. It is much harder for them to do anything effectively with their hands behind their back. Even with "non-violent" suspects, it is extremely dangerous to hand cuff them in the front because they can turn on you in a second. Besides if you hand cuff person 1 and 2 and 3 in the front but not person 4 because 1 2 3 are "non-violent" and person 4 is "violent" then you are not being uniform in the way you are treating people.
Oh I agree completely. I was just pointing out that there's an obvious reason why people try to do this.
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