American Veteran strikes back

[Kamakazie Sith]

Certainly not, that would be absurd. I do, however, find it sad that he would go out of his way to enforce a law that he isn't sure about, and then come up with SDN as the best channel for inquiry available to him when it occurred to him that he may have been abusing his power. I might even go so far as to speculate that these facts suggest that he actually doesn't give a shit if it was legal or not and just enjoys pushing people around.

You're making the assumption that this is the only place he checked. It doesn't really matter though, and is certainly doesn't mean anything significant one way or another. All it means is that he checked here.

As for your other comments I'm glad you put speculate in there because that is pretty much all you're doing.

I think he'll see the mistake he's been making and correct it.

I think you're delusional. His statements in thread are only the latest with which he has more-or-less reinforced my worst suspicions about the police.[/quote]

What suspicions would those be? Do you have similar suspicions about other professions, and if not why? How do other professions differ from police?

By the way, why are you bothering to correct the spelling in my user name when nobody else does it? Do you believe you're the first to notice it?

[salm]

It's not just Texans When I was twelve, my family moved to Florida for two years. My dad had the temerity to fly the Union Jack, but didn't bother with the US flag since we only had one flag pole. The neighbors went absolutely apeshit.

You should have told them that you´d fly the Stars and Stripes but that they´re currently in the wash because you wiped your ass with it the other day.

Yes, yes, because provoking people who're already in an irrational tizzy over identifying yourself as an "outsider" is always a good thing...

Getting on the nerves of nationalistic bigots is not a bad thing. What makes you think so?

[Andrew_Fireborn]

Getting on the nerves of nationalistic bigots is not a bad thing. What makes you think so?

In general, I find annoying people a great thing.

However, we're talking about people getting upset of displaying another country's colors (or in damn near most cases, their arrangement of those colors... "Hey, let's use Red, White & Blue too!" I realise it's all a huge symbol, and the colors are supposed to mean something, but still...) is only a couple steps below people who get pissed off because of someone having a different religion than themselves.

Which means you run a fair chance of pissing off one who's willing to preform unwanted actions on yourself and your property, which may or may not be followed up upon by the police in the area, depending on their level of corruption on this vector.


tl:dr - Basically, you're playing with fire at that point.

[salm]

Getting on the nerves of nationalistic bigots is not a bad thing. What makes you think so?

In general, I find annoying people a great thing.

However, we're talking about people getting upset of displaying another country's colors (or in damn near most cases, their arrangement of those colors... "Hey, let's use Red, White & Blue too!" I realise it's all a huge symbol, and the colors are supposed to mean something, but still...) is only a couple steps below people who get pissed off because of someone having a different religion than themselves.

Which means you run a fair chance of pissing off one who's willing to preform unwanted actions on yourself and your property, which may or may not be followed up upon by the police in the area, depending on their level of corruption on this vector.


tl:dr - Basically, you're playing with fire at that point.

Mmh... sometimes you got to risk it. After all i´m fighting for The Freedom™.

[Andrew_Fireborn]

I wish you luck. (Considering I'd rather see one world government, flags hold little aside from an interesting history lesson on their origin to me.)

Though there is such a thing as picking your battles. Discretion and all that.

[Raw Shark]

By the way, why are you bothering to correct the spelling in my user name when nobody else does it? Do you believe you're the first to notice it?

Actually I didn't notice it, sorry. I must read as well as you spell. Corrected.

You're making the assumption that this is the only place he checked.

Actually I made the assumption that he thought this was the best place, because he to all appearances brought it to us before whomever he's supposed to ask about this sort of ethical quibble at his job.

As for your other comments I'm glad you put speculate in there because that is pretty much all you're doing.

That is what I wrote, yes.

What suspicions would those be?

See my comments labeled speculation above.

Do you have similar suspicions about other professions, and if not why? How do other professions differ from police?

Depends how much authority to whimsically abuse me the profession gives to its entry-level workers, and how often I see them bragging about it in public.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Actually I didn't notice it, sorry. I must read as well as you spell. Corrected.

More assumptions. The reason I spell my user name the way I do goes back a long time.

Actually I made the assumption that he thought this was the best place, because he to all appearances brought it to us before whomever he's supposed to ask about this sort of ethical quibble at his job.

Or maybe he just wanted to have a conversation...

Depends how much authority to whimsically abuse me the profession gives to its entry-level workers, and how often I see them bragging about it in public.

Ahh well I apologize it sounded like you were generalizing.

[Darth Wong]

Getting on the nerves of nationalistic bigots is not a bad thing. What makes you think so?

In general, I find annoying people a great thing.

However, we're talking about people getting upset of displaying another country's colors (or in damn near most cases, their arrangement of those colors... "Hey, let's use Red, White & Blue too!" I realise it's all a huge symbol, and the colors are supposed to mean something, but still...) is only a couple steps below people who get pissed off because of someone having a different religion than themselves.

Which means you run a fair chance of pissing off one who's willing to preform unwanted actions on yourself and your property, which may or may not be followed up upon by the police in the area, depending on their level of corruption on this vector.

tl:dr - Basically, you're playing with fire at that point.

This falls under the same category as me not walking into a rural diner with my white wife in Alabama. Yes, discretion is the better part of valour, but that only indicates how contemptible these people are.

[Andrew_Fireborn]

Yeah, ultimately it boils down to the risks you're willing to take in the face of the belligerent and foolish.

Doesn't excuse them their actions in any form. But in my mind it's like walking into a lion's pride wearing a meat suit. Though that's usually what it takes to change things.

[Raw Shark]

More assumptions. The reason I spell my user name the way I do goes back a long time.

I wasn't suggesting that you forgot how to read recently.

Or maybe he just wanted to have a conversation...

A conversation in which he seems by wordcount to primarily want to talk about getting away with being a douche with a badge, yes.

Ahh well I apologize it sounded like you were generalizing.

His ignorant backwoods monkeyfuckery reinforces my worst suspicions about the general group, as I said, but I do not mean to imply that it factually confirms them.

[Kamakazie Sith]

[quote="Raw Shark"

I wasn't suggesting that you forgot how to read recently.
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I wasn't implying that you suggested that, but it's irrelevant to the discussion so I'm dropping it.

A conversation in which he seems by wordcount to primarily want to talk about getting away with being a douche with a badge, yes.

I agree he made a bad choice. Which considering the actual act isn't really that bad compared to what it could have been, and this to me says that he can easily realize the error and make a change.

His ignorant backwoods monkeyfuckery reinforces my worst suspicions about the general group, as I said, but I do not mean to imply that it factually confirms them.

Yes, bad police do exist. However, there are also many cops that do a great job. Thus, I'm not sure what your suspicions actually are.

[Darth Wong]

He didn't just make "a bad choice", KS. He revealed a bad attitude. A terrible attitude, in fact. He brags that he uses his badge to bully people to suit his personal tastes, even if he has no idea whether an actual legal infraction has occurred.

Worse yet, when a known legal infraction has occurred, he applauds it if this legal infraction happens to please those same personal tastes. Or didn't you notice the thread title, which rather obviously applauds the vandal?

That goes beyond "bad choice", and wanders deeply into the realm of "totally unacceptable attitude for a police officer".

[Flagg]

Apparently a business in Reno was flying the Mexico flag over the US flag, which is illegal (or at least that is what EVERYONE says), and a veteran took the initiative and cut it down.

http://view.break.com/376719

I see this often around my city and I take corrective action in the form of making the business owner fix it. I don't know the specific law but I always BS them with the old "it is a Federal Law, so breaking that is an automatic felony" and they fix it so fast your head spins.

Anyone know what the law is and where you can find it?

In Illinois it is a state law atleast

An unconstitutional one. So basically, fuck Illinois.

[Stark]

If a policeman lies and claims something is a federal felony when it isn't, isn't that, like illegal? Incompetent? What if he said that to some guy, who then decided to look it up and found out it was full of shit, and went to the courts? After all, the guy was just intimidated by an incompetent policeman! Regardless of whether it's just flags (which is amusing given the situation) it's all kinds of wrong.

[Flagg]

If a policeman lies and claims something is a federal felony when it isn't, isn't that, like illegal? Incompetent? What if he said that to some guy, who then decided to look it up and found out it was full of shit, and went to the courts? After all, the guy was just intimidated by an incompetent policeman! Regardless of whether it's just flags (which is amusing given the situation) it's all kinds of wrong.

It may not fall under the legal definistion of extortion, but it falls under the non-legal one. I'm hoping he's just making shit up and doesn't actually do that. You know, just for shits and giggles. Otherwise he's a piece of shit.

[General Zod]

It may not fall under the legal definistion of extortion, but it falls under the non-legal one. I'm hoping he's just making shit up and doesn't actually do that. You know, just for shits and giggles. Otherwise he's a piece of shit.

Extortion, not really. Abuse of authority, most definitely. All it would take is for someone that actually knows the law to tell him to fuck off and he'd be in severe hot water.

[Flagg]

It may not fall under the legal definistion of extortion, but it falls under the non-legal one. I'm hoping he's just making shit up and doesn't actually do that. You know, just for shits and giggles. Otherwise he's a piece of shit.

Extortion, not really. Abuse of authority, most definitely. All it would take is for someone that actually knows the law to tell him to fuck off and he'd be in severe hot water.

Actually, it fits under extortion.

extort

Main Entry: ex·tort to obtain from a person by force, intimidation, or undue or illegal power

In this case he would be obtaining compliance for his stupid "don't disrespect mah flag!" bullshit.

[Stark]

Silly leftists. Don't you see they're taking over America, one flagpole at a time?

[Darth Wong]

Jadeite's a walking, talking example of everything that's wrong with American conservative thinking. He doesn't really look at issues based on their ethical or logical merits; he simply views everything in terms of tribal allegiance, either to the Democrats or to the Gay Old Party. In his mind, we think there's something wrong with this just because we're "leftists", and all the actual reasons we're throwing up are mere smokescreens. He thinks this because that's how the GOP operates.

[Cairber]

I wonder if he plans on going into stores and trashing all the flag plates, cups, napkins, Tshirts, and other crap there is out there. Seems to me that that is a worse use of the so-called symbol of the flag.

[General Zod]

I wonder if he plans on going into stores and trashing all the flag plates, cups, napkins, Tshirts, and other crap there is out there. Seems to me that that is a worse use of the so-called symbol of the flag.

With this kind of reaction to merely flying another flag over the US, I'd wonder what his reaction would be if someone were actually burning the flag. He'd probably go apeshit.

[Jadeite]

Jadeite's a walking, talking example of everything that's wrong with American conservative thinking. He doesn't really look at issues based on their ethical or logical merits; he simply views everything in terms of tribal allegiance, either to the Democrats or to the Gay Old Party. In his mind, we think there's something wrong with this just because we're "leftists", and all the actual reasons we're throwing up are mere smokescreens. He thinks this because that's how the GOP operates.

But I'm a Democrat.

[Darth Wong]

Jadeite's a walking, talking example of everything that's wrong with American conservative thinking. He doesn't really look at issues based on their ethical or logical merits; he simply views everything in terms of tribal allegiance, either to the Democrats or to the Gay Old Party. In his mind, we think there's something wrong with this just because we're "leftists", and all the actual reasons we're throwing up are mere smokescreens. He thinks this because that's how the GOP operates.

But I'm a Democrat.

So is Zell Miller.

[Kamakazie Sith]

He didn't just make "a bad choice", KS. He revealed a bad attitude. A terrible attitude, in fact. He brags that he uses his badge to bully people to suit his personal tastes, even if he has no idea whether an actual legal infraction has occurred.

I agree. I hope he'll look at this thread, and fix the issue.

Worse yet, when a known legal infraction has occurred, he applauds it if this legal infraction happens to please those same personal tastes. Or didn't you notice the thread title, which rather obviously applauds the vandal?

Honestly, I skimmed over it. Again, you're right.

That goes beyond "bad choice", and wanders deeply into the realm of "totally unacceptable attitude for a police officer".

It is totally unacceptable, and I hope I wasn't implying that it was. I never took DBTS as a bad guy, so it's kind of shocking.

[Big Orange]

I can understand somebody getting annoyed at seeing his national flag getting stamped on, set alight or pissed on, but that buffoon was acting well over the line and shouldn't have did what he did on private property simply because the Old Glory was displayed in a mildly inappropriate manner - why are Americans far more cartoonishly patriotic than any other developed Western country? We ourselves get deadly serious British patriots, but they're usually old and cranky...