American Veteran strikes back

[Kamakazie Sith]

Well, assuming he's being completely honest he told us what he does. Nothing.

Considering he has no qualms lying about petty shit like whether or not it's illegal to fly another flag over the US to gratify his own ego, you'll excuse me if some of us don't believe him.

Except if he did do something he wouldn't be a cop anymore, so unless there's some reason to suspect the department administration of wanting to protect him then I don't see a reason to question it.

I have to admit though that I am disappointed. It should be obvious to anyone why lying to get a result in regards to something that isn't even a law is wrong. I was hoping that he would see that after this thread...oh well.

[General Zod]

Except if he did do something he wouldn't be a cop anymore, so unless there's some reason to suspect the department administration of wanting to protect him then I don't see a reason to question it.

He's already bragged about lying about a law and admitting to not knowing whether it was a law in the first place. How the fuck do I know he isn't unfamiliar with the punishments for abusing his authority like this, or lying about the repercussions?

[Darth Wong]

The evidence is damning enough even if he's telling the truth. I see no need to speculate about him lying here, although I suppose it should be noted that this entire thread is about lies he likes to tell, so that doesn't do a whole lot for his personal credibility.

[Spyder]

Until someone decides to actually call you on your bullshit and ask for your badge number to file a complaint. Moron.

But thanks for reminding me why you can't trust the fucking cops in Texas.

let them it is not against the law. And I said that if they tell me no, then I don't argue it with them.

Since when the fuck does a threat have to be blatant to be a threat?

no, you don't understand. I actually say "I am not going to arrest you for it." I tell them it is a Federal Law enforced by them.

I'm failing to see how that makes lying about a law acceptable behavior for someone who's supposed to be enforcing it.

as long as I am not arresting them on a lie or writing a ticket on a lie.

oh and it should have been

guys, I CAN make false claims all day long, as long, as long as I don't take any action on it. As long as the false claims are not in court or in reference to any kind of official report, then there is no law(s) against it.

This is actually a significant problem, not just for US cops but for a number of police forces worldwide. No ethics or critical thinking skills.

As anyone sensible would think obvious, lying to push your own personal agenda is an abuse of power and it does harm your society. When someone hears "so I've noticed this illegal thing you seem to be doing here" from a cop, even if you do say you're not going to arrest them for it, they're still going to be thinking "hey, this cop noticed this illegal thing I'm doing, therefore someone that is responsible for enforceing this particular law could notice and arrest me! Oh shit, I'd better do something about this, thank goodness this cop, this legal expert that wears a uniform that I trust, is here to help me stay out of trouble."

But then again you already know that, that's why you do it. Don't lie to us and tell us you're puzzled when they miraculously comply, you're clearly done this multiple times, you've tested the theory, you know the result.

What's the motto of your department? Does it involve serving and protecting in some way? Because these lies your telling do not offer any protection for the people and serve only your own interests.

You should have a serious think about whether or not you should be a police officer, because quite frankly from what you've disclosed here, Texas would be better off with someone else filling your position.

[Spyder]

Jadeite's a walking, talking example of everything that's wrong with American conservative thinking. He doesn't really look at issues based on their ethical or logical merits; he simply views everything in terms of tribal allegiance, either to the Democrats or to the Gay Old Party. In his mind, we think there's something wrong with this just because we're "leftists", and all the actual reasons we're throwing up are mere smokescreens. He thinks this because that's how the GOP operates.

But I'm a Democrat.

It's a subtle irony that you think that's a rebuttle against being accused of tribal allegiance mentality.

[Glocksman]

Jadeite's a walking, talking example of everything that's wrong with American conservative thinking. He doesn't really look at issues based on their ethical or logical merits; he simply views everything in terms of tribal allegiance, either to the Democrats or to the Gay Old Party. In his mind, we think there's something wrong with this just because we're "leftists", and all the actual reasons we're throwing up are mere smokescreens. He thinks this because that's how the GOP operates.

But I'm a Democrat.

It's a subtle irony that you think that's a rebuttle against being accused of tribal allegiance mentality.

IIRC, Jadeite's from Indiana.
We have a saying here in Indiana; 'Welcome to Indiana, where the 'Hoosier* Democrats act like Republicans, and real Democrats are suspects'.

Or put more seriously, Democrats in this state tend to be much more conservative than Democrats nationally are.





*'Hoosier' is the nickname for people from Indiana.

[Glocksman]

To add some real irony here, my strong advocacy for nationalized health care, coupled with my equally strong support for 2nd amendment rights leaves me with the 'lesser evil' option WRT whom to vote for.

I can have one or the other from the major US political parties, but not both.

[Death from the Sea]

Well, assuming he's being completely honest he told us what he does. Nothing.

Considering he has no qualms lying about petty shit like whether or not it's illegal to fly another flag over the US to gratify his own ego, you'll excuse me if some of us don't believe him.

ok, it is not to suit mine own ego. You do realize that if I didn't go to the people and have them change it then someone else, a citizen would. The city I work for has a population of about 140,000 documented residents but it has a small town mentality. Everyone is watching everyone else and calling the police to take corrective action. Should the police not take corrective action fast enough, some citizens take it upon themselves to do. It has happened in the past (much like with the video) and then we have a big mess.

So would you rather me end the problem with a lie or allow it to go to the level where a citizen is likely to take it upon them self and break a law(s). You will have to excuse me if I don't think bullshitting someone a bit to avoid a larger problem is not that big a deal.

I know not one single person in here can say that they never lie, so get off of you high horse.

[Keevan_Colton]

Well, assuming he's being completely honest he told us what he does. Nothing.

Considering he has no qualms lying about petty shit like whether or not it's illegal to fly another flag over the US to gratify his own ego, you'll excuse me if some of us don't believe him.

ok, it is not to suit mine own ego. You do realize that if I didn't go to the people and have them change it then someone else, a citizen would. The city I work for has a population of about 140,000 documented residents but it has a small town mentality. Everyone is watching everyone else and calling the police to take corrective action. Should the police not take corrective action fast enough, some citizens take it upon themselves to do. It has happened in the past (much like with the video) and then we have a big mess.

So would you rather me end the problem with a lie or allow it to go to the level where a citizen is likely to take it upon them self and break a law(s). You will have to excuse me if I don't think bullshitting someone a bit to avoid a larger problem is not that big a deal.

I know not one single person in here can say that they never lie, so get off of you high horse.

Right, so in order to prevent fuckwits breaking the law you have to lie and harass people who arent doing anything wrong to pander to the sensibilities of stupid arseholes...and you think this is a fucking defence? It isnt a real problem, the real problem is the dipshits willing to break the law to try and enforce their own sense of patriotic bullshit...

[General Zod]

So would you rather me end the problem with a lie or allow it to go to the level where a citizen is likely to take it upon them self and break a law(s). You will have to excuse me if I don't think bullshitting someone a bit to avoid a larger problem is not that big a deal.

You seemed to be awfully happy about that Veteran tearing down some shop owner's flag in your OP, now you're saying you do it to prevent problems like that? Yeah, right.

I know not one single person in here can say that they never lie, so get off of you high horse.

On the other hand I'm not aware of anyone here that's lied about whether or not something was legal to get what they want. So kindly go fuck yourself.

[Edi]

Well, assuming he's being completely honest he told us what he does. Nothing.

Considering he has no qualms lying about petty shit like whether or not it's illegal to fly another flag over the US to gratify his own ego, you'll excuse me if some of us don't believe him.

ok, it is not to suit mine own ego. You do realize that if I didn't go to the people and have them change it then someone else, a citizen would. The city I work for has a population of about 140,000 documented residents but it has a small town mentality. Everyone is watching everyone else and calling the police to take corrective action. Should the police not take corrective action fast enough, some citizens take it upon themselves to do. It has happened in the past (much like with the video) and then we have a big mess.

So would you rather me end the problem with a lie or allow it to go to the level where a citizen is likely to take it upon them self and break a law(s). You will have to excuse me if I don't think bullshitting someone a bit to avoid a larger problem is not that big a deal.

I know not one single person in here can say that they never lie, so get off of you high horse.

So what happens when some of the assholes in your town decide to take matters into their own hands and the target of their vigilante "justice" sends a few of them to the hospital or the morgue, as is completely within his rights to do according to your laws? Up until that point your hushing shit up works just fine, but then it breaks down and shit hits the fan rather spectacularly. Which is precisely why letting this sort of problem with fuckwit vigilantes persist is a very bad idea.

[Frank Hipper]

I need to read more thoroughly, please ignore...

[Stark]

So in the US if someone's freedoms might cause problems due to neaderthal attitudes not supported by law, you sacrifice the freedom rather than punish the neanderthal?

Is it worth pointing out at this point that the neanderthals are likely white Americans and the freedoms being lost are those of immigrants, probably Mexican immigrants? And he honestly thinks he's doing a good job!

[Flagg]

So in the US if someone's freedoms might cause problems due to neaderthal attitudes not supported by law, you sacrifice the freedom rather than punish the neanderthal?

Is it worth pointing out at this point that the neanderthals are likely white Americans and the freedoms being lost are those of immigrants, probably Mexican immigrants? And he honestly thinks he's doing a good job!

Well, yeah. Haven't you seen that part of the Constitution that says "The feelings of the many outweigh the needs for the few"?

[Patrick Degan]

ok, it is not to suit mine own ego. You do realize that if I didn't go to the people and have them change it then someone else, a citizen would. The city I work for has a population of about 140,000 documented residents but it has a small town mentality. Everyone is watching everyone else and calling the police to take corrective action. Should the police not take corrective action fast enough, some citizens take it upon themselves to do. It has happened in the past (much like with the video) and then we have a big mess.

So would you rather me end the problem with a lie or allow it to go to the level where a citizen is likely to take it upon them self and break a law(s). You will have to excuse me if I don't think bullshitting someone a bit to avoid a larger problem is not that big a deal.

I know not one single person in here can say that they never lie, so get off of you high horse.

You realise that you've just put yourself in as the surrogate agent for mob justice, don't you?

[Darth Wong]

ok, it is not to suit mine own ego. You do realize that if I didn't go to the people and have them change it then someone else, a citizen would. The city I work for has a population of about 140,000 documented residents but it has a small town mentality. Everyone is watching everyone else and calling the police to take corrective action. Should the police not take corrective action fast enough, some citizens take it upon themselves to do. It has happened in the past (much like with the video) and then we have a big mess.

Do you also tell interracial couples that what they're doing is a federal crime too? There are plenty of confederate flag-waving fucktards who would have a problem with that too. And what about people with Darwin fish on their cars? Do you tell them that's against the law as well, to forestall the possibility of your small-town asshole friends vandalizing their cars while you look the other way?

So would you rather me end the problem with a lie or allow it to go to the level where a citizen is likely to take it upon them self and break a law(s). You will have to excuse me if I don't think bullshitting someone a bit to avoid a larger problem is not that big a deal.

If a citizen breaks the law, it is your job to arrest him, not to placate him by making sure that the environment is cleansed of things which offend him.

I know not one single person in here can say that they never lie, so get off of you high horse.

There's a different between lying informally and lying in your professional capacity. That is an extremely serious ethics breach. When you walk into a store and threaten the employees, you are not John Q. Public. You are a police officer, wearing a badge and representing the government.

Why the FUCK am I even explaining this to you, moron? Shouldn't you know this?

[Death from the Sea]

So in the US if someone's freedoms might cause problems due to neaderthal attitudes not supported by law, you sacrifice the freedom rather than punish the neanderthal?

Is it worth pointing out at this point that the neanderthals are likely white Americans and the freedoms being lost are those of illegal immigrants, probably illegal Mexican immigrants? And he honestly thinks he's doing a good job!

fixed it for ya.

[Darth Wong]

So in the US if someone's freedoms might cause problems due to neaderthal attitudes not supported by law, you sacrifice the freedom rather than punish the neanderthal?

Is it worth pointing out at this point that the neanderthals are likely white Americans and the freedoms being lost are those of illegal immigrants, probably illegal Mexican immigrants? And he honestly thinks he's doing a good job!

fixed it for ya.

Hey asshole, your country is supposed to have this little thing called "due process". That means you don't get to mistreat people as an agent of the government until they've had their day in court.

Just another of those things that you as a police officer were supposed to know without one of us having to remind you. Idiot.

[Keevan_Colton]

So in the US if someone's freedoms might cause problems due to neaderthal attitudes not supported by law, you sacrifice the freedom rather than punish the neanderthal?

Is it worth pointing out at this point that the neanderthals are likely white Americans and the freedoms being lost are those of illegal immigrants, probably illegal Mexican immigrants? And he honestly thinks he's doing a good job!

fixed it for ya.

Not that you're a racist fuckwit or anything...

[Stark]

So in the US if someone's freedoms might cause problems due to neaderthal attitudes not supported by law, you sacrifice the freedom rather than punish the neanderthal?

Is it worth pointing out at this point that the neanderthals are likely white Americans and the freedoms being lost are those of suspected illegal immigrants, probably suspected illegal Mexican immigrants? And he honestly thinks he's doing a good job!

fixed it for ya.

Fixed it for you. Even used real english - nothing more ironic than a racist ignoramus.

[Stark]

Not that you're a racist fuckwit or anything...

Oh come on, he can spot an illegal immigrant by looking. I mean, they're FROM MEXICO, right? Case fucking closed!

[Keevan_Colton]

Not that you're a racist fuckwit or anything...

Oh come on, he can spot an illegal immigrant by looking. I mean, they're FROM MEXICO, right? Case fucking closed!

Of course, he must have special southern cop training that helps with it too...probably they were so busy with that they couldnt find time for basic ethics.

[Masami von Weizegger]

It was amazing how fast the defence went from "I do it to protect them" to " Well, they shouldn't be here in the first place".

[General Zod]

It was amazing how fast the defence went from "I do it to protect them" to " Well, they shouldn't be here in the first place".

He's been bouncing between those two the whole thread anyway. It's not like we can expect much in terms of consistency.

[Keevan_Colton]

He's been bouncing between those two the whole thread anyway. It's not like we can expect much in terms of consistency.

Maybe he'll tell us it's illegal to flame him...you know...for our own protection...