Plans to outlaw inciting gay hate in the UK

[Dartzap]

Beeb

Plans to outlaw inciting gay hate
Plans to make inciting hatred against gay people a crime have been announced by Justice Secretary Jack Straw.

The law would cover gay, lesbian and bisexual people and may be extended to cover disabled and transgender people.

Mr Straw said it was time for the law to recognise society was "appalled by hatred and invective" directed at people because of their sexuality.

He told MPs the changes would be made as amendments to the Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill.

He said: "It is a measure of how far we have come as a society in the last 10 years that we are now appalled by hatred and invective directed at people on the basis of their sexuality.

"It is time for the law to recognise this."

In another measure, police and probation officers will be expected to notify the public if sex offenders pose a risk to children.

And criminals on the sex offenders' register will be required to give extra information to police about e-mail addresses, and new relationships with women who have children.

Earlier attempts to extend race-hate laws to cover religion proved controversial as critics said they went too far and threatened freedom of speech.

I thought it was already a law, huh....

Ah well, its a step in the right direction. And a big "Bugger off" to certain religious institutions.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

I'd like to see how the BNP reacts to this

[Zor]

One step further on the road of the betterment of Civilization. Rule Brittania!

Zor

[Perseid]

So the hetro caucasian guy gets even less rights under Labour

[El Moose Monstero]

So the hetro caucasian guy gets even less rights under Labour

Tell me about it, last week, I got brutally beaten and dog shit put through my letter box for walking down the street with my girlfriend. Happens all the time.

[Sidewinder]

Sounds like the UK is becoming more and more like the US. I wonder if this is a good thing, or a bad thing?

Comments from people who've been to both nations?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Sounds like the UK is becoming more and more like the US. I wonder if this is a good thing, or a bad thing?

Comments from people who've been to both nations?

Huh? I don't recall the US having any hate laws. Last I checked, everything is shrouded in "free speech"?

[Sidewinder]

So the hetro caucasian guy gets even less rights under Labour

Tell me about it, last week, I got brutally beaten and dog shit put through my letter box for walking down the street with my girlfriend. Happens all the time. :roll:

Are you a heterosexual male who was harassed by homosexuals, or a lesbian who was harassed by homophobes? (Just curious.)

[Sidewinder]

Huh? I don't recall the US having any hate laws. Last I checked, everything is shrouded in "free speech"?

I believe some laws against hate crimes were passed in the 90s.

[Perseid]

So the hetro caucasian guy gets even less rights under Labour

Tell me about it, last week, I got brutally beaten and dog shit put through my letter box for walking down the street with my girlfriend. Happens all the time.

Oh I know that kind of thing happens to gay couples, however look at what happened with race laws if a white insults someone thats black or asian then it's racism, however if the situation is reversed then it doesn't matter at all.

If their gonna bring in a law about discrimination then it should go both ways. Of course thats just my opinion

[Ace Pace]

So the hetro caucasian guy gets even less rights under Labour

Tell me about it, last week, I got brutally beaten and dog shit put through my letter box for walking down the street with my girlfriend. Happens all the time.

Are you a heterosexual male who was harassed by homosexuals, or a lesbian who was harassed by homophobes? (Just curious.)

Sarcasm, much?

[Sidewinder]

Here we go.

Hate Crime Sentencing Enhancement Act (1994)
The Hate Crime Sentencing Enhancement Act, enacted in 28 U.S.C. § 944 note Sec. 280003, requires the United States Sentencing Commission to increase the penalties for hate crimes committed on the basis of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, disability, or sexual orientation of any person. In 1995, the Sentencing Commission implemented these guidelines, which only apply to federal crimes.

[El Moose Monstero]

So the hetro caucasian guy gets even less rights under Labour

Tell me about it, last week, I got brutally beaten and dog shit put through my letter box for walking down the street with my girlfriend. Happens all the time.

Are you a heterosexual male who was harassed by homosexuals, or a lesbian who was harassed by homophobes? (Just curious.)

Neither I'm afraid, it was a dose of healthy sarcasm to reflect the ridiculousness of the quoted statement, as if being white and hetero and male means that life is hard and we should be able to persecute as many people as we like. Unless my own sarcasm detector is on the blink and it was some sort of satire post.

[Sidewinder]

Tell me about it, last week, I got brutally beaten and dog shit put through my letter box for walking down the street with my girlfriend. Happens all the time.

Are you a heterosexual male who was harassed by homosexuals, or a lesbian who was harassed by homophobes? (Just curious.)

Sarcasm, much?

No sarcasm was intended. I don't know what El Moose Monstero's gender and sexual orientation are.

[El Moose Monstero]

If their gonna bring in a law about discrimination then it should go both ways. Of course thats just my opinion

I take your point of course that discrimination laws should be working both ways where appropriate, but to say that the rights of white men are being eroded because it's no longer allowed to persecute minority groups seems rather ridiculous.

[Perseid]

Unless my own sarcasm detector is on the blink and it was some sort of satire post.

I will admit this is probably my fault, sometimes my sense of humour can be drier than the Sahara desert.

I take your point of course that discrimination laws should be working both ways where appropriate, but to say that the rights of white men are being eroded because it's no longer allowed to persecute minority groups seems rather ridiculous.

It's not so much that we're no longer allowed to persecute minorities, which I never really saw the point of, it's more to do with how the new laws are policed.
Surely you must have realised by now that the one type of person in this country that the police are least likely to listen to is a white male, unless of course he happens to be rich and/or famous.

[General Zod]

Surely you must have realised by now that the one type of person in this country that the police are least likely to listen to is a white male, unless of course he happens to be rich and/or famous.

Can people like you at least use something more original for once? Virtually every racist neocon has spouted this line of crap at one point or another.

[RIPP_n_WIPE]

Unless my own sarcasm detector is on the blink and it was some sort of satire post.

I will admit this is probably my fault, sometimes my sense of humour can be drier than the Sahara desert.

I take your point of course that discrimination laws should be working both ways where appropriate, but to say that the rights of white men are being eroded because it's no longer allowed to persecute minority groups seems rather ridiculous.

It's not so much that we're no longer allowed to persecute minorities, which I never really saw the point of, it's more to do with how the new laws are policed.
Surely you must have realised by now that the one type of person in this country that the police are least likely to listen to is a white male, unless of course he happens to be rich and/or famous.

Maybe that's a wierd UK thing (or I am missing some point of sarcasm) but here in the states if you're a minority you'd better be able to impress with your ability to relate a story. Most cops expect (even in my area) to hear this.

Police: "Sir, you broke the mans nose. What happened?"
Black Dude: "Yo, dis ma fukka was tawkin' bout ma bitch aight? So I tol 'im 'Yo nikka you need to step awf.' An' he was like 'Fuk you.' So I checked the bitch, no wa I'm sayin'"
*Cuffs*

or

Police: "Okay sir can you please explain why you were running out the back of the restaurant?"
Mexican: "Que?"
*Cuffs*

Or in a situation where the minority is actually in trouble they won't listen because they can't understand them and or don't want to. Yet when a guy I worked with, who was a visiting student from poland, had he and his roomates home broken into, the police managed to get a full report and even questioning me regarding $5,000 dollars stolen from their home and thinking of me as prime suspect because there wasn't anyone they could think of who could have done it based on a single visit to their home during which I didn't even make it inside. I had the cops calling my house, coming to my job, and contacting my school for almost a month. I'd met all of them and their English wasn't any better than example #1 up there. I'm rather confident though they were managed to get "Black" and "knows where we live" out of them to hound me for so long.

I live near (about an hour) from Albany and in Arbor Hill (bad part of town) the cops don't really do anything because the neighborhood is predominately black. The only times I have heard of people actually getting assistance and not simply arrested (note I don't have access to police reports this is what I have seen/heard from friends who live in the area) are when white individuals somehow stumble into Arbor Hill.[/i]

[Perseid]

Surely you must have realised by now that the one type of person in this country that the police are least likely to listen to is a white male, unless of course he happens to be rich and/or famous.

Can people like you at least use something more original for once? Virtually every racist neocon has spouted this line of crap at one point or another.

Whilst it isn't a white male this was part of a race row this year.

There was also a situation where a white applicant was refused a council job because she wasn't of I believe Indian, can't actually remember the specifics.

As I said I am perfectly happy to see equality laws passed, in fact I count half a dozen gay men and women amoung my friends, however my problem is how the laws are policed and interpreted.
The result is that rather than everyone getting treated equaly as you would expect, there are incidents of people that are white and English getting pushed aside for someone that is as qualified or in some cases less qualified so that a quota is met.

[Perseid]

Maybe that's a wierd UK thing (or I am missing some point of sarcasm) but here in the states if you're a minority you'd better be able to impress with your ability to relate a story.

It's a wierd UK thing, the way the majority of situations seem to go is in favour of the ethnic minority unless there is overwelming evidence to the contrary. This is partly due to the fact that there is so much pressure on the government to conform for these groups that the police will not touch them for fear of the brass coming down on them.

[General Zod]

There was also a situation where a white applicant was refused a council job because she wasn't of I believe Indian, can't actually remember the specifics.

As I said I am perfectly happy to see equality laws passed, in fact I count half a dozen gay men and women amoung my friends, however my problem is how the laws are policed and interpreted.
The result is that rather than everyone getting treated equaly as you would expect, there are incidents of people that are white and English getting pushed aside for someone that is as qualified or in some cases less qualified so that a quota is met.

I'm failing to see anything resembling evidence that white males are somehow magically being oppressed. Come back when you have something more substantial than the shit from your asshole, please.

[Perseid]

I'm failing to see anything resembling evidence that white males are somehow magically being oppressed. Come back when you have something more substantial than the shit from your asshole, please.

• 1. I'm using white male as an example, since heres a shocker I'm white and male
  2. This is an example of the stupidity that is going on in this country

Which is why they need to sort out the policing of these discrimination laws so that there are no instances where perfectly decent applicants are rejected because of their colour or sexual orientation.

[General Zod]

Which is why they need to sort out the policing of these discrimination laws so that there are no instances where perfectly decent applicants are rejected because of their colour or sexual orientation.

Do I have to explain why a handful of individual cases (yours from a questionable source) do not mean that an entire majority is being oppressed using small syllables?

[Rye]

Gays are really the silver bullet against religion, in my view. All the worst kinds of religion get shirty over homosexuality, so laws like this will make it easier to inflict legal action upon the nastier assholes, religious and secular that inhabit these haunted shores. So long as straight-talking (you will excuse the pun or be issued with a £5000 fine) isn't affected, it's all good. Might be difficult to enforce, though.

So the hetro caucasian guy gets even less rights under Labour

Arguably, yes, just like everyone else. Now, does this mean you want to incite violence and hatred towards homosexuals? If not, why do you want that "right"?

[Perseid]

Which is why they need to sort out the policing of these discrimination laws so that there are no instances where perfectly decent applicants are rejected because of their colour or sexual orientation.

Do I have to explain why a handful of individual cases (yours from a questionable source) do not mean that an entire majority is being oppressed using small syllables?

No Zod you don't, the original comment was intended as a satire but as I said to Moose my humour can be drier than most deserts.
However it doesn't discount the fact that there are instances, a handfull to be sure, where the stupidity of the people actioning the dicrimination laws has come through loud and clear.
Alternate source for police atricle

Are you telling me you would reject the applications of 108 people just because you have to meet a quota?

It's a problem of the people running the show, they would willing reject those applicants because they don't match their standards, in this case a reversal of previous racial discrimination, despite the fact that there is obviously a shortage in the number of people they want to target for their quota in the area they are recruiting in.

Oh and another stupid thing about how the race laws are interpreted in this country