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You should dwell on the fact that you should have done a better job protecting the football.Packers.com wrote:"Mistakes happen," Jones said. "I'm not dwelling on it or nothing. We lost the game and we have to get better. That's all it is, that's all that matters."
Uh-huh! The worst part is, even with those 2 fumbles, and Favre's first interception, they still came within 2 vertical inches of tying the game and going to overtime. Dammit! I threw my cheesehead in frustration when I saw how close that Hail Mary play was to working.Haruko wrote:Fucking Packers.
Thanks a lot, James "Butterfingers" Jones. That's 14 points down the drain.
Your head is humming and it won't go, in case you don't know, the piper's calling you to join him
No, his catch on the first FG attempt. Well, that's our season.thejester wrote:Wait, what? Didn't Owen's conversion get ruled incomplete?
You stopped watching too damn soon.thejester wrote:Wait, what? Didn't Owen's conversion get ruled incomplete?
After Owens catch was ruled incomplete, instead of the 1 second left on the clock, the clock was reset to 13 seconds to reflect when the incomplete pass happened and the Cowboys were able to run not one, but 2 catch-and-runs out-of-bounds to stop the clock and get within kick-off distance. They kicked it once BUT Dick Jauron, the Bills coach, called a timeout at the last second forcing the Cowboys to kick it again. And kick again they did, and for the 2nd time in a row, it was straight and true. 
Icing a kicker is a standard practice, but what a finish! What an incredibly insane game.Dark Flame wrote:I was rooting for the upset, until that last second timeout during the FG attempt. That shit pisses me right off. It's unsportsmanlike and should not be tolerated. Still a very fun game to watch.
As for Owens, BWAHAHAHA! He almost blew the game twice in the last 20 seconds, and got bailed out. That being said, he did well for my fantasy team. Romo also, barely, managed to squeak into positive fantasy points, too.
"The bottom line is, it was a malicious hit. It was uncalled for,'' Johnson said. "He's like the scarecrow. He wants to get courage while I wasn't looking, and hit me in my knee instead of trying to hit me in my head. God don't like ugly, you know what I mean?
"My knee ain't never hurt like it hurt today,'' Johnson said. "If you want to hit me, hit me in my head, hit me in my chest, don't hit me in my knee. I'm trying to eat just like everybody else. So, to hit me like that, that showed me what type of man he was.''
I take it none of you guys have ever had someone, either offensive lineman or QB, go for a "legal" cut on your knees? Johnson was an asshole for the pointing bit, but he had every right to be pissed off. His career could have just as easily been ended instead of Green's.Elfdart wrote:I never wish injury on a player, but that guy is an asshole for taunting a player who was knocked cold. He'd better watch his ass, since what goes around comes around. Case in point: Chop-blocking cheapshot artist and all-around douchebag Tom Nalen of the Denver Donkeys is out for the season.
When I played in high school I made it a point to slug DBs who dove at my knees (I played OL). Or I'd just fall on them and funny thing was, by elbow always connected with their nuts when that happened. I think the block like Green threw should be banned, just like it is on crack-backs and kick returns. But (a) Johnson wasn't injured and (b) he's taunting a player who in out cold and (c) the dickhead kept it up after the game. Johnson is a douchebag.havokeff wrote:I take it none of you guys have ever had someone, either offensive lineman or QB, go for a "legal" cut on your knees? Johnson was an asshole for the pointing bit, but he had every right to be pissed off. His career could have just as easily been ended instead of Green's.
A douchebag yes, but I fully agree with what he said, just should have kept it to himself like all the other defensive players do.Elfdart wrote:When I played in high school I made it a point to slug DBs who dove at my knees (I played OL). Or I'd just fall on them and funny thing was, by elbow always connected with their nuts when that happened. I think the block like Green threw should be banned, just like it is on crack-backs and kick returns. But (a) Johnson wasn't injured and (b) he's taunting a player who in out cold and (c) the dickhead kept it up after the game. Johnson is a douchebag.havokeff wrote:I take it none of you guys have ever had someone, either offensive lineman or QB, go for a "legal" cut on your knees? Johnson was an asshole for the pointing bit, but he had every right to be pissed off. His career could have just as easily been ended instead of Green's.
You think the block by Green was "malicious?" Are you insane?havokeff wrote:A douchebag yes, but I fully agree with what he said, just should have kept it to himself like all the other defensive players do.
I don't think Green had malicious intent, but that type of block, down at the knees from the side, is malicious. I've never blamed players for making those blocks though, I've always blamed coaches for teaching players to make those blocks. Green did it basically on instinct not only because he was out weighed by almost 200 lbs, but because since he was in high school, coaches have been teaching him to throw that block.Master of Ossus wrote:You think the block by Green was "malicious?" Are you insane?havokeff wrote:A douchebag yes, but I fully agree with what he said, just should have kept it to himself like all the other defensive players do.
And so has the NFL Rules Committee, since blocks like that are not outlawed.havokeff wrote:I don't think Green had malicious intent, but that type of block, down at the knees from the side, is malicious. I've never blamed players for making those blocks though, I've always blamed coaches for teaching players to make those blocks. Green did it basically on instinct not only because he was out weighed by almost 200 lbs, but because since he was in high school, coaches have been teaching him to throw that block.
Nonetheless, blocks like that one are both effective and legal. Given the angle, it's hard to believe that Green could have done any better, or even been as effective, if he had thrown the block anywhere else.The weight issue shouldn't even be brought into the discussion though, as you can find about 3 or 4 GREAT blocks that 175lb corner backs or wide receivers throw on linebackers and linemen on run plays or fumble or interception returns every week.
No, the hit was totally legal. See the NFL Rules Committee. It's not a dirty play. And weren't you the one who was arguing that cheating was fine in the NFL, and that people were pussies for complaining about cheaters? Green didn't even CHEAT and you're complaining. And so is that cowardly little shit, Johnson.To say that that type of block isn't fucked up is ridiculous. Look at the replay again and forget that Green's head got clocked with a knee and look at what happened to Johnson. His knee almost buckles, he is flipped into the air and comes a few athletic inches from landing on his head. The rarity on that block is the knee to the head of the blocker. The more common outcome is a serious knee injury or even a head or neck injury to the blockee. If Green had gotten that knee into the back this wouldn't even be an issue, and people would be saying how that was a dirty cut block and Johnson was right to be pissed and yelling at him.
Take it up with the NFL Rules Committee. Green's block was clean. Johnson's just a douchebag. People get hurt playing football. That's part of the game. If he's too scared to go out on the field and take legal hits, he shouldn't be out there.In a league where almost every consideration is given to the QB, and even and accidental hit below their legs is penalized and fined, not to mention that defensive players can't even hit an offensive player who has the ball too hard now without getting a flag (see Adrian Wilson's CLEAN hit a couple of weeks ago) and then to have a QB deliberately go for a guys legs and no one say Green was wrong is what is insane.
If you absolutely agree with everything he said, then why don't you think the block was malicious? Green wasn't trying to injure him, and if he had been injured on the play then Green wouldn't have gone over and taunted him, and then kept talking about it after the game.Like I said, the guy is a douchebag and when he turned around and saw that Green wasn't moving he should have kept his fucking mouth shut. HOWEVER I absolutely agree with what he said and the reasons and sentiment behind it, if not with how he actually carried it out.
Uh, actually no, the Rules Committee doesn't teach the players to cut block.Master of Ossus wrote:And so has the NFL Rules Committee, since blocks like that are not outlawed.havokeff wrote:I don't think Green had malicious intent, but that type of block, down at the knees from the side, is malicious. I've never blamed players for making those blocks though, I've always blamed coaches for teaching players to make those blocks. Green did it basically on instinct not only because he was out weighed by almost 200 lbs, but because since he was in high school, coaches have been teaching him to throw that block.
Did I once say that the block wasn't legal? Don't put words in my mouth. I said it was fucked up, just as pretty much anyone who has taken that kind of block, whether hurt or not, has said. I also didn't say the block wasn't effective. As a matter of fact, it is one of the most effective techniques there are. It is still a fucked up block technique. As for its legality, like any major rules change it takes an incident like this to get it attention. Like the time out "strategy" that has popped up this year, this rule will now be looked at and probably changed in the off season.Nonetheless, blocks like that one are both effective and legal. Given the angle, it's hard to believe that Green could have done any better, or even been as effective, if he had thrown the block anywhere else.The weight issue shouldn't even be brought into the discussion though, as you can find about 3 or 4 GREAT blocks that 175lb corner backs or wide receivers throw on linebackers and linemen on run plays or fumble or interception returns every week.
Just because it is legal, which again, I never said it wasn't, doesn't mean it isn't dirty. There is no one that has ever played football that doesn't think that blocking technique is dirty and shouldn't be in the game, with the exception of the Bronco's offensive line. When you listen to all the experts, ex-players especially, none of them say the block isn't dirty, what they say, like you is that it is legal and then further justify their position by saying that defensive players do it whenever they get the chance. None of that changes the fact that it is a fucked up way to throw a block.No, the hit was totally legal. See the NFL Rules Committee. It's not a dirty play. And weren't you the one who was arguing that cheating was fine in the NFL, and that people were pussies for complaining about cheaters? Green didn't even CHEAT and you're complaining. And so is that cowardly little shit, Johnson.To say that that type of block isn't fucked up is ridiculous. Look at the replay again and forget that Green's head got clocked with a knee and look at what happened to Johnson. His knee almost buckles, he is flipped into the air and comes a few athletic inches from landing on his head. The rarity on that block is the knee to the head of the blocker. The more common outcome is a serious knee injury or even a head or neck injury to the blockee. If Green had gotten that knee into the back this wouldn't even be an issue, and people would be saying how that was a dirty cut block and Johnson was right to be pissed and yelling at him.
No, the block was legal, not clean. It is the "text book" definition of a dirty block. Coming in from the side or behind, AIMING at the players knees and the player having absolutely NO defense against it. There are ALREADY rules in place to protect QBs and Wide Receivers from these types of hits and blocks and if it had been a receiver throwing the same exact block crashing in on a run play it would have been illegal.Take it up with the NFL Rules Committee. Green's block was clean. Johnson's just a douchebag. People get hurt playing football. That's part of the game. If he's too scared to go out on the field and take legal hits, he shouldn't be out there.In a league where almost every consideration is given to the QB, and even and accidental hit below their legs is penalized and fined, not to mention that defensive players can't even hit an offensive player who has the ball too hard now without getting a flag (see Adrian Wilson's CLEAN hit a couple of weeks ago) and then to have a QB deliberately go for a guys legs and no one say Green was wrong is what is insane.
I said the act of the block, carried out by however, is malicious in my eyes, The intent doesn't really even matter to me. So in that aspect I do agree with Johnson. As for Green not taunting if the roles were reversed, that speaks to character of the person. Johnson is a douchebag. NOT for being pissed off about the block, but for screaming at an unconscious man. Green, as far as I know isn't a douchebag, but the loss of respect that Johnson spoke of for Green, I am with 100%. Green as a QB, of all people, should have known better.If you absolutely agree with everything he said, then why don't you think the block was malicious? Green wasn't trying to injure him, and if he had been injured on the play then Green wouldn't have gone over and taunted him, and then kept talking about it after the game.Like I said, the guy is a douchebag and when he turned around and saw that Green wasn't moving he should have kept his fucking mouth shut. HOWEVER I absolutely agree with what he said and the reasons and sentiment behind it, if not with how he actually carried it out.
