Plans to outlaw inciting gay hate in the UK

[Perseid]

Arguably, yes, just like everyone else. Now, does this mean you want to incite violence and hatred towards homosexuals? If not, why do you want that "right"?

Nope don't want that "right" at all, but as with all of the other laws in this vein there will be something that happens but it will be a polar opposite of what they are trying to protect against.

[Plekhanov]

Oh I know that kind of thing happens to gay couples, however look at what happened with race laws if a white insults someone thats black or asian then it's racism, however if the situation is reversed then it doesn't matter at all.

If their gonna bring in a law about discrimination then it should go both ways. Of course thats just my opinion

No doubt you can provide numerous examples of black on white racist attacks being ignored by the authorities?

[General Zod]

No Zod you don't, the original comment was intended as a satire but as I said to Moose my humour can be drier than most deserts.
However it doesn't discount the fact that there are instances, a handfull to be sure, where the stupidity of the people actioning the dicrimination laws has come through loud and clear.
Alternate source for police atricle

That's not an alternate source. It's a completely separate story.

Are you telling me you would reject the applications of 108 people just because you have to meet a quota?

Could you possibly fill that lame retort with anymore straw?

It's a problem of the people running the show, they would willing reject those applicants because they don't match their standards, in this case a reversal of previous racial discrimination, despite the fact that there is obviously a shortage in the number of people they want to target for their quota in the area they are recruiting in.

Zonoes! Reverse discrimination!111!1!!!one!!! Come back when you have something more than fear mongering.

Oh and another stupid thing about how the race laws are interpreted in this country

That's retarded. It's pretty fucking clear that if you can't speak a language fluently for a liaise position then you're not qualified for it. Race is largely a non issue and stupidly exaggerated in that case.

[Plekhanov]

It's not so much that we're no longer allowed to persecute minorities, which I never really saw the point of, it's more to do with how the new laws are policed.
Surely you must have realised by now that the one type of person in this country that the police are least likely to listen to is a white male, unless of course he happens to be rich and/or famous.

Tell that to the parents of Stephen Lawrence.

A black male is far more likely to be stopped, searched & arrested than a white male as for black guys driving nice cars...

[Perseid]

No Zod you don't, the original comment was intended as a satire but as I said to Moose my humour can be drier than most deserts.
However it doesn't discount the fact that there are instances, a handfull to be sure, where the stupidity of the people actioning the dicrimination laws has come through loud and clear.
Alternate source for police atricle

That's not an alternate source. It's a completely separate story.

And you've just shown you didn't read either article, they are both concerned with a Mr Matt Powell who was 1 of 108 applicants for a position in the Gloucestershire police force.

That's retarded. It's pretty fucking clear that if you can't speak a language fluently for a liaise position then you're not qualified for it. Race is largely a non issue and stupidly exaggerated in that case.

And again you show you did not read the article, he was sent how because he wasn't Asian, the article states:
"But the specifications of the job just included things such as filing and a weekly clean. He didn't even ask Ben if he could speak Punjabi, which he can a bit - enough to greet people."

It was supposed to be the kids fucking work experience placement, he was not supposed to be a crucial part of the team.


And Plek whilst I have no evidence of black on white racism, given the noise rightly made about the Stephen Lawrence case, I would expect to have heard something having happened in the opposite direction. Now that means one of three things is happening:

• 1. The police have ignored the situation, which should be highly unlikely but I have no faith in British police officers.
  2. The police have taken action, but because they have had to arrest someone from a minority on a race charge it has not been publised as it would for a white arrested for a race charge.
  Or 3. The ethnic communities are not commiting any race oriented crimes at all showing remarkable tolerance in the face of white racists targetting them.

[Plekhanov]

That's retarded. It's pretty fucking clear that if you can't speak a language fluently for a liaise position then you're not qualified for it. Race is largely a non issue and stupidly exaggerated in that case.

And again you show you did not read the article, he was sent how because he wasn't Asian, the article states:
"But the specifications of the job just included things such as filing and a weekly clean. He didn't even ask Ben if he could speak Punjabi, which he can a bit - enough to greet people."

It was supposed to be the kids fucking work experience placement, he was not supposed to be a crucial part of the team.

It plainly states that:

Schoolboy turned away from work experience because he couldn't speak Punjabi

It was a specialist travel agency with a specific need for Punjabi speaking staff, I can 'greet people' in numerous European languages that doesn't mean I could work in an office dealing with them.

And Plek whilst I have no evidence of black on white racism,

So you concede that your entire contribution to this thread ie. all your whining about the unfair treatment of white males by the police is baseless bullshit?

given the noise rightly made about the Stephen Lawrence case, I would expect to have heard something having happened in the opposite direction. Now that means one of three things is happening:

You couldn't be more wrong the police force is still institutionally racist and most certainly not against whites:

51. Looking at multiple stops, according to the British Crime Survey, in 1999, 77%
of White people were stopped only once, compared to 53% of Black people, 14% of
whom reported being stopped five times or more compared with 4% of White people.

52. As the Home Office report, “The Impact of Stops and Searches on Crime and
Community” conclude, Black people “are substantially more likely to be stopped,
more likely to experience multiple stops, and more likely to be searched – both in
absolute terms and in relation to any particular stop”

[Edi]

The complaining about white people having their rights supposedly curtailed by this law is absolutely ridiculous and says a lot more about the complainer than about anything else.

The reason this sort of laws are passed is usually to provide more ammunition against racist, homophobic and otherwise bigoted fuckwits. In other words, if they commit a crime and it can actually be proven that the motivation was racist/homophobic in nature, they can just slap an extra 25% or whatever the measure is in your part of the world to the sentence. It'll also leave a public record that the offender is a bigoted fuckwit and also allows nailing people who would otherwise get out on a technicality. It's a good thing, in my opinion, because the "I didn't really mean, I was just joking arouind and talking trash" bullshit defense is disqualified before it can even be invoked.

[Darth Wong]

So the hetro caucasian guy gets even less rights under Labour

Tell me about it, last week, I got brutally beaten and dog shit put through my letter box for walking down the street with my girlfriend. Happens all the time.

Oh I know that kind of thing happens to gay couples, however look at what happened with race laws if a white insults someone thats black or asian then it's racism, however if the situation is reversed then it doesn't matter at all.

If their gonna bring in a law about discrimination then it should go both ways. Of course thats just my opinion

Preach it, brother! A weakened minority and a powerful majority should always be treated exactly the same under the law. Just like a bully who is caught in an altercation with a weak kid should be treated exactly like the weak kid when you mete out punishments. Right?

Nothing is more disgusting than whiny white people. Oh noes, we control almost all the money in the country and every President is always a white person, but ... we're oppressed!

[PainRack]

To be honest, I'm more concerned about unofficial discrimination than official.

Just how many times do people ignore people of other races, slighting their needs & wants in their jobs? Alternatively, how often are fingers pointed at people of other races when something goes wrong?

That's something so odious that its virtually impossible to root out.

[Darth Wong]

To be honest, I'm more concerned about unofficial discrimination than official.

Just how many times do people ignore people of other races, slighting their needs & wants in their jobs? Alternatively, how often are fingers pointed at people of other races when something goes wrong?

That's something so odious that its virtually impossible to root out.

The average "white rights" person has declared that this kind of racism is dead and gone, so there is no need to create any kind of compensatory mechanisms. Of course, that's bullshit, but they usually back it up by saying "well, I've never seen it". Which is incredibly stupid because white people would never be a target of it, and would henceforth never notice it.

[Imperial Overlord]

The average "white rights" person has declared that this kind of racism is dead and gone, so there is no need to create any kind of compensatory mechanisms. Of course, that's bullshit, but they usually back it up by saying "well, I've never seen it". Which is incredibly stupid because white people would never be a target of it, and would henceforth never notice it.

Yeah, as a white guy I've only seen it a couple of times when it is done to someone else and I've been around to see it. I can only guess how much of this shit the average non-white person is subjected to. It's depressing, knowing that this stuff is going on and is probably much worse in most other places (I live in Vancouver).

[Plekhanov]

Oh I know that kind of thing happens to gay couples, however look at what happened with race laws if a white insults someone thats black or asian then it's racism, however if the situation is reversed then it doesn't matter at all.

If their gonna bring in a law about discrimination then it should go both ways. Of course thats just my opinion

Guilty: the cleric who preached murder as a religious duty

· Abu Hamza jailed for seven years
· US will now seek extradition

Duncan Campbell, Vikram Dodd and Tania Branigan
Wednesday February 8, 2006
The Guardian

Abu Hamza al-Masri, the radical Islamist cleric jailed yesterday for seven years for soliciting murder and inciting racial hatred, now faces extradition to the United States on charges relating to kidnapping and terrorism. The conviction at the Old Bailey of the man seen as the epitome of Islamist extremism in Britain and a deep embarrassment to mainstream Muslim society was used by Downing Street to renew its call for support for the government's proposed terrorism legislation.

The government said the verdict proved that the decision to prosecute was correct and sources indicated that ministers may use the convictions to try to reintroduce proposals outlawing the glorification of terrorism.

Gordon Brown said the sentence showed there would be no tolerance for "preachers of hate". But he added: "It shows why we need laws against the glorifying of terrorism and why we need to stop extremist Muslim clerics trying to enter the country."

Sentencing Abu Hamza, the judge, Mr Justice Hughes, said he had "helped to create an atmosphere in which to kill has become regarded by some as not only a legitimate course but a moral and religious duty in pursuit of perceived justice".

The conviction raises questions of why he was not prosecuted until many years after he had made his most inflammatory sermons and had established Finsbury Park mosque as a centre of Islamist extremism in Europe.

A senior French intelligence chief told the Guardian that for years Britain had failed to take action against him despite being given evidence that he had extensive involvement in terrorism. Former mosque worshippers say they told police about Abu Hamza's activities, including a meeting in the mosque to pledge allegiance to Osama bin Laden.

A former MI5 agent who infiltrated the mosque says Abu Hamza was allowed to operate by the security services as long as he did not threaten Britain's national security. Both the agent and a close associate of Abu Hamza say the cleric was an unwitting informant on other extremist Muslims. It emerged that over a three-year period the cleric had met repeatedly with MI5 and Special Branch. A senior British counter-terrorism official said that a raid on the mosque in January 2003 recovered replica guns which had been used at "UK-based training camps". He added that "dozens" of terrorism investigations led back to Abu Hamza, who was "part of ... the global jihad. It would be a mistake to regard him as a buffoon".

He was convicted on 11 of 15 charges at the end of a month-long trial. He was jailed for seven years on six incitement to murder charges and lesser sentences on charges of threatening behaviour with intent to stir up racial hatred and of possession of a document, the Encyclopedia of the Afghani Jihad, which was "useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism". Last night he began his sentence in Belmarsh prison, south-east London.

"No one can say what damage your words may have caused," the judge told him. "No one can say how often or widely your preaching was repeated." He said that while it was "perfectly plain" that Abu Hamza did not represent Islamic thinking, it was also clear that he wielded considerable authority among his many followers. He accused him of creating an atmosphere in which killing could be seen as a moral duty.

"You spoke with great anger," said Mr Justice Hughes. "It was directed at virtually every country and a very large number of people ... You are entitled to your views and in this country you are entitled to express them - up to the point where you incite murder or incite racial hatred ... You commended suicide bombing, you encouraged them to kill in the cause you set out for them."

He said that the defendant's demeanour in the witness box was in stark contrast to the rabble-rousing of his sermons. He sat impassively through the verdicts and sentencing before being led to the cells. After the verdicts, Abu Hamza, through his solicitor, Muddassar Arani, described himself as a "prisoner of faith" who was being subjected to "slow martyrdom".

He said that he would appeal against his conviction and fight the extradition process which could take him to the US. Within a month, he will be back in court fighting that attempt.

The deputy assistant commissioner, Peter Clarke, who is head of Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist branch, said: "This was Abu Hamza on trial, not Islam, not the Muslim community. The overwhelming majority of Muslims totally reject the hatred and violence peddled by Hamza. For many years, most people have found Hamza deeply offensive. We have now been able to show that what he was saying was also illegal."

France's national anti-terrorism coordinator, Christophe Chaboud, said "tens and tens" of men had been recruited at the mosque and sent to al-Qaida training camps in Afghanistan.

It is unprecedented for an intelligence chief in one country to criticise publicly the operations of an ally, but it is a sign of deepseated French frustration at the UK approach on the issue.

Well I guess the authorities must have mistaken Hamza for a white guy because as we all know anyone in a minority can incite hatred against white brits with impunity because the laws only work in favour of minorities and certainly don't make incitement of hatred against any racial group a crime

[mr friendly guy]

I am curious as to these examples of so called "reverse racism or reverse discrimination" I hear soooo much about. I am willing to bet most of the time its the majority whining that they have lost the "right" to discriminate against a minority, not that they should have such a right in the first place.

[Perseid]

Schoolboy turned away from work experience because he couldn't speak Punjabi

It was a specialist travel agency with a specific need for Punjabi speaking staff, I can 'greet people' in numerous European languages that doesn't mean I could work in an office dealing with them.

Yes it's a specialist travel agency, but he should not be expected to liase with the customers in the travel agency with the intention of selling them the holiday.
No matter who the travel agency had for the work experience placement they would not be allowed to "work" in the company to the same degree as the rest of the staff due to age laws. If he can say "hello" and "sorry I am unable to help you, please speak to the lady/gentleman" or equivalent he would meet the requirements.

Well I guess the authorities must have mistaken Hamza for a white guy because as we all know anyone in a minority can incite hatred against white brits with impunity because the laws only work in favour of minorities and certainly don't make incitement of hatred against any racial group a crime

So the fact that Race fears initially stopped them doesn't matter I assume.

Nothing is more disgusting than whiny white people. Oh noes, we control almost all the money in the country and every President is always a white person, but ... we're oppressed!

Sorry Mike but I couldn't give a fuck about US Presidents, and whilst we haven't had a coloured PM over here we have at least had a female PM who is generally considered a benchmark for other PM's.


And as far as my rights go, I want to have the right to be able to go out with my friends, some of whom are gay before you even start, and be able to have a laugh at each others expense, like calling one of the guys who says he's bi-curious "confused", and ribbing each other about our choice of partners.
I'd like to have that right because it's friends having a laugh and we're not hurting anyone, however if someone overhears us saying anything like this then we can now get in trouble despite the fact that the offended party was not involved in the conversation.

[PainRack]

The average "white rights" person has declared that this kind of racism is dead and gone, so there is no need to create any kind of compensatory mechanisms. Of course, that's bullshit, but they usually back it up by saying "well, I've never seen it". Which is incredibly stupid because white people would never be a target of it, and would henceforth never notice it.

Yeah, as a white guy I've only seen it a couple of times when it is done to someone else and I've been around to see it. I can only guess how much of this shit the average non-white person is subjected to. It's depressing, knowing that this stuff is going on and is probably much worse in most other places (I live in Vancouver).

The worst part of all, this kind of racism is highly demoralising. As stealthy as it is, the person being discriminated can never know whether he was discriminated because he was a bad person or because the other is racist.

Imagine how bad a person must feel. Did I fail to get that job/get accused of being a rapist because I'm not good enough, or is it because I'm black/Indian/Muslim/etc.

I say that these kind of racism is highly damaging. And that's why even though meritocracy has a role to play in society, affirmative action shouldn't be dismissed.

[PainRack]

Yes it's a specialist travel agency, but he should not be expected to liase with the customers in the travel agency with the intention of selling them the holiday.
No matter who the travel agency had for the work experience placement they would not be allowed to "work" in the company to the same degree as the rest of the staff due to age laws. If he can say "hello" and "sorry I am unable to help you, please speak to the lady/gentleman" or equivalent he would meet the requirements.

Have you ever worked as an intern before? While you have a mentor and are supposed to be supervised during your duties, why on god earth aren't you expected to work as an intergrated member of the team? Companies which fail to intergrate you as a resource are failing to provide you with a good work experience.

[Perseid]

Yes it's a specialist travel agency, but he should not be expected to liase with the customers in the travel agency with the intention of selling them the holiday.
No matter who the travel agency had for the work experience placement they would not be allowed to "work" in the company to the same degree as the rest of the staff due to age laws. If he can say "hello" and "sorry I am unable to help you, please speak to the lady/gentleman" or equivalent he would meet the requirements.

Have you ever worked as an intern before? While you have a mentor and are supposed to be supervised during your duties, why on god earth aren't you expected to work as an intergrated member of the team? Companies which fail to intergrate you as a resource are failing to provide you with a good work experience.

It isn't an internship, it's a single weeks work experience where you go to a company/place of business and see how things work at their end. For instance I spent 4 days with the Royal Navy and all that happened is the group of us that went got shown around low key areas of 3 bases and got a tour of one of the frigates.

Due to the fact that when you generally do this you are 15 years old you are not insured to do much in the work place. As a result you normally end up as a glorified tea boy/girl and your not really expected to serve the customers in any real capacity.
With this in mind why should there be a problem with someone who can merely greet you in a specific language but can't carry a conversation filling the placement.

[RIPP_n_WIPE]

Schoolboy turned away from work experience because he couldn't speak Punjabi

It was a specialist travel agency with a specific need for Punjabi speaking staff, I can 'greet people' in numerous European languages that doesn't mean I could work in an office dealing with them.

Yes it's a specialist travel agency, but he should not be expected to liase with the customers in the travel agency with the intention of selling them the holiday.
No matter who the travel agency had for the work experience placement they would not be allowed to "work" in the company to the same degree as the rest of the staff due to age laws. If he can say "hello" and "sorry I am unable to help you, please speak to the lady/gentleman" or equivalent he would meet the requirements.

Not if the agency required someone who's fluent in Punjabi. If they required that and he didn't meet that prerequisite than they had every right not to hire him.

[RIPP_n_WIPE]

Edit: Required should be requested.

[Perseid]

Schoolboy turned away from work experience because he couldn't speak Punjabi

It was a specialist travel agency with a specific need for Punjabi speaking staff, I can 'greet people' in numerous European languages that doesn't mean I could work in an office dealing with them.

Yes it's a specialist travel agency, but he should not be expected to liase with the customers in the travel agency with the intention of selling them the holiday.
No matter who the travel agency had for the work experience placement they would not be allowed to "work" in the company to the same degree as the rest of the staff due to age laws. If he can say "hello" and "sorry I am unable to help you, please speak to the lady/gentleman" or equivalent he would meet the requirements.

Not if the agency required someone who's fluent in Punjabi. If they required that and he didn't meet that prerequisite than they had every right not to hire him.

He wasn't being hired, it was a work experience placement!!!

For those of you that still haven't got the message about work experience. It is intended as part of your education BEFORE you leave school not as part of your actual career choice afterwards.

[RIPP_n_WIPE]

Yes it's a specialist travel agency, but he should not be expected to liase with the customers in the travel agency with the intention of selling them the holiday.
No matter who the travel agency had for the work experience placement they would not be allowed to "work" in the company to the same degree as the rest of the staff due to age laws. If he can say "hello" and "sorry I am unable to help you, please speak to the lady/gentleman" or equivalent he would meet the requirements.

Not if the agency required someone who's fluent in Punjabi. If they required that and he didn't meet that prerequisite than they had every right not to hire him.

He wasn't being hired, it was a work experience placement!!!

For those of you that still haven't got the message about work experience. It is intended as part of your education BEFORE you leave school not as part of your actual career choice afterwards.

Still doesn't matter the guy at the shop had expected someone asian for the work experience with the idea of them speaking Punjabi. It still had nothing to do with his race which is the point I'm trying to make and is the point you seem to be trying to push.

A schoolboy was turned away from his work experience because he could not speak Punjabi, his mother said yesterday.

Ben Chaffer, 15, arrived at a local travel agency only to be told staff were expecting an Asian pupil.

He is now back in school while classmates continue their placements.

His mother Helen, 40, of Nelson, Lancashire, said: "When Ben got there, the owner said they thought they were getting someone Asian. He said that 90 per cent of his customers were Asian or spoke Punjabi and they needed someone who would be able to liaise with them.

"But the specifications of the job just included things such as filing and a weekly clean. He didn't even ask Ben if he could speak Punjabi, which he can a bit - enough to greet people."

Mrs Chaffer, who has another son and two daughters, said she was called by Ben shortly after dropping him off at Premier Travel in Nelson.

"When I asked him what was wrong he said 'They want an Asian'. I said to the owner 'I believe you have sent my son home because of his colour'. He laughed and said that he was expecting an Asian lad."

Premier owner Abdul Khan, whose firm specialises in flights to Pakistan and India, blamed a misunderstanding.

He said: "I told the boy I needed to ring the school as we have always had someone who was Asian in the past."

He added that the placement was still on offer but Mrs Chaffer said: "Ben feels he wouldn't be welcome."

The article in it's glory. Has nothing to do with race. Had to do with the language spoken. The owner had a history with the school and expected an asian student. They didn't send him one, he sends the kid home. Kid tells mom, mom talks to shop owner. Shop owner explains and offers to let the kid back, kid decides not to return. Hell the article had nothing to do with race. "Schoolboy Turned Away From Work Because he's not Asian" was not the title it had to do with the fact that he didn't speak punjabi. Hell if you'd read the article you'd have noticed that and wouldn't have mentioned it in the first place like it's some wild offense against some white kid because he was white, not because I didn't have a skill that the shop owner had expected him to have.

Granted maybe the shop owner should have been more specific but if all he'd been getting kids who were asian and fluent in punjabi why would he need to mention it in the first place?

[El Moose Monstero]

I'd like to have that right because it's friends having a laugh and we're not hurting anyone, however if someone overhears us saying anything like this then we can now get in trouble despite the fact that the offended party was not involved in the conversation.

How is this right to make jokes about each other when you're out and about going to change, exactly?

Unless you're wandering the streets making jokes via a megaphone that are sufficiently distasteful enough to incite anyone in listening distance to go out and kick the shit out of the first gay/lesbian etc person they meet, then you're hardly going to get your house raided by a heavily armed group of police officers.

"I'm sorry officer, the reason I beat up a gay man is because I was incited to it by a bunch of teenagers laughing and joking with each other outside McDonalds yesterday" isn't really going to cut a lot of ice down at the police station.

[Plekhanov]

Schoolboy turned away from work experience because he couldn't speak Punjabi

It was a specialist travel agency with a specific need for Punjabi speaking staff, I can 'greet people' in numerous European languages that doesn't mean I could work in an office dealing with them.

Yes it's a specialist travel agency, but he should not be expected to liase with the customers in the travel agency with the intention of selling them the holiday.
No matter who the travel agency had for the work experience placement they would not be allowed to "work" in the company to the same degree as the rest of the staff due to age laws. If he can say "hello" and "sorry I am unable to help you, please speak to the lady/gentleman" or equivalent he would meet the requirements.

Because obviously you know better than the manager who actually runs the place what the language requirements for working at that particular agency are Contrary to what you seem to think it’s not racist to want employees to be able to communicate with the bulk of your customers.

Well I guess the authorities must have mistaken Hamza for a white guy because as we all know anyone in a minority can incite hatred against white brits with impunity because the laws only work in favour of minorities and certainly don't make incitement of hatred against any racial group a crime

So the fact that Race fears initially stopped them doesn't matter I assume.

Move the goalposts much? You claimed that:

look at what happened with race laws if a white insults someone thats black or asian then it's racism, however if the situation is reversed then it doesn't matter at all.

If their gonna bring in a law about discrimination then it should go both ways. Of course thats just my opinion

Yet you haven’t been able to produce a single piece of evidence of anti white racism being tolerated and are now pathetically trying to hand wave away a clear example of a member of a minority being prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned for ‘inciting racial hatred’ against whites.

Under DR#6 I demand that you either provide some evidence to substantiate your claims that these laws only protect minorities or concede that you have been engaged your contribution to this thread has consisted of nothing but pathetic, counterfactual whining.

And as far as my rights go, I want to have the right to be able to go out with my friends, some of whom are gay before you even start, and be able to have a laugh at each others expense, like calling one of the guys who says he's bi-curious "confused", and ribbing each other about our choice of partners.
I'd like to have that right because it's friends having a laugh and we're not hurting anyone, however if someone overhears us saying anything like this then we can now get in trouble despite the fact that the offended party was not involved in the conversation.

Oh please, are you seriously arguing that these laws will have the effect of criminalising you and your friends ‘laughs’? If so will you please provide evidence of other hate crime laws having an equivalent effect, if that isn't your claim then what exactly is your point?

[PainRack]

It isn't an internship, it's a single weeks work experience where you go to a company/place of business and see how things work at their end. For instance I spent 4 days with the Royal Navy and all that happened is the group of us that went got shown around low key areas of 3 bases and got a tour of one of the frigates.

Due to the fact that when you generally do this you are 15 years old you are not insured to do much in the work place. As a result you normally end up as a glorified tea boy/girl and your not really expected to serve the customers in any real capacity.
With this in mind why should there be a problem with someone who can merely greet you in a specific language but can't carry a conversation filling the placement.

So? Is there a difference between being an intern and work experience?
The same goals still apply. you're expected to be intergrated in the work process and DO something. Work experience just means you aren't expected to take responsibility and while the affects what kind of work you can do, it doesn't affect the requirements at all.

So, again, boss wants someone who can speak punjabi, he didn't make it clear. You can blame him for not specifying that in detail, but so what? I applied for jobs before and they told me, sorry, we want a female because its a female working environment. Its not specificed in the ad, but does that qualify as job discrimination?

[K. A. Pital]

I applied for jobs before and they told me, sorry, we want a female because its a female working environment. Its not specificed in the ad, but does that qualify as job discrimination?

Indeed not; it ends with a note to the employer that work requirements have to be more precise, that's all.