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They charge what they can get away with. Do you know how many computer neophytes out there just happily pay whatever they're asking for?

I've known co-workers who come to me and ask me (AFTER they've already bought it) if they got a good deal on their computers because they came with "a free copy of Office". Of course, that means "the store jacked up the price to include an OEM copy of Office" :roll:
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I would love to see them sue 3 million + people... Can anyone say, class action counter claim? :lol:

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Crown wrote:I would love to see them sue 3 million + people... Can anyone say, class action counter claim? :lol:

Piss the fuckers right off!
hehe, that would make headlines for sure. :D
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Either I'm being ignorant again or something's amiss here. What's so bad about Kazaa or Kazaa Lite?

My dad's downloaded LOTS of movies off of Kazaa and I myself have downloaded entire anime series' off of it. Or is it just something with the individual connections each person has?
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Hyperion wrote:Damn RIAA to the 7 circles of hell!!! *raises Jolly Roger flag over house* I wouldn't buy CDs even if they were $7, why? because there's usually ONE good track and the other 14 are pure shit on a stick.

Hell, at least 2/3 of my 31GB of mp3s are stuff horked from mp3.com, so it's not like the record companies (read: money grubbing leeches) are loosing any money.

Same goes for the software piracy... $50 for a game is outrageous, I was recently at a big LANparty (27 people for 2 days) and I asked just how many of them would buy legit software at the current prices, the immidiate responces fell along the lines of "no way in hell" and "if we all put some money to it we may be able to afford it, then we'd burn a copy for each of us". When I asked if htey'd buy software if the prices were chopped in half, the general responces fell like this: "yeah, half of what it is now would be ok" and "they're still putting out shit, when they start getting rid of the bugs I'll buy again", with the majority falling under the first category both times.

Someone want to explain the companies' reasoning behind putting pricetags of $50-70 on a game?
The fact that making games can take years and millions of dollars, and even then most games are only marketable for about two years. Not to mention a relatively high cost of production. $35-40 is entirely reasonable for a new game.

However, I don't buy CDs anymore. No way I'm buying a few good tracks for $20, especially when the things cost about 75 cents to press.
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I buy CD's, and at full retail prices my collection would be worth about $2000 US. The thing is my fave artists aren't all that well known and their music can usually be found on sale cheap, or sometimes I order direct off the artist's websites. Sure if I spent a few hours on Kazaa I could get the same music for free, but there's a couple things stopping me. MP3 sound quality sucks, and these artists deserve some of my cash, which is why I also go to their live concerts whenever I can. Their albums are also full of good songs so it's worth it.

As for heavily hyped artists with one good song on a $20 CD, fuck'em, Kazaa is my friend in those cases. Those CD's are so shittily recorded that you can't tell the difference between the original and the MP3. I can't justify handing over my cash to a hyped up corporate whore. Those artists and their management and record execs will never see a single penny of my money.
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Shinova wrote:Either I'm being ignorant again or something's amiss here. What's so bad about Kazaa or Kazaa Lite?

My dad's downloaded LOTS of movies off of Kazaa and I myself have downloaded entire anime series' off of it. Or is it just something with the individual connections each person has?
For Kazaa, anyway, it eats up RAM and has a shitload of spyware, and if you hide it, popups. When I used NetZero, I could only have Netzero, Kazaa, and at most 2 IE windows running.
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I haven't used Kazaa in a while. No matter.
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from my understanding its only the music industry that's leading the charge against kazaa and online piracy. Now I might be wrong but what exactly is no one else (movie industry, tv industry, gaming industry, etc) pressing charges against kazaa, and other p2p programs? My theory is that they're smart enough to know that they'll end up losing. Once kazaa is down 3 more p2p programs pop up from the ground and they're back to square one, only this time a few millions poorer from court fees.
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Problem I see with downloading programs from the internet is that I'll end up with a whole bunch of viruses. I don't have an anti virus software, and can't afford to buy one. The irony of downloading the anti virus software from kazaa is that i might get a virus from a hacked anti virus scanner. :)
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Problem I see with downloading programs from the internet is that I'll end up with a whole bunch of viruses. I don't have an anti virus software, and can't afford to buy one. The irony of downloading the anti virus software from kazaa is that i might get a virus from a hacked anti virus scanner. :)
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Oops sorry about posting twice like that. The computer came up with an internal error so I went back and click again. Must have worked the first time or something.
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brothersinarm wrote:Problem I see with downloading programs from the internet is that I'll end up with a whole bunch of viruses. I don't have an anti virus software, and can't afford to buy one. The irony of downloading the anti virus software from kazaa is that i might get a virus from a hacked anti virus scanner. :)
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Necro99 wrote:*ahem*
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The Dark wrote:Tried it. And Morpheus. And Gnutella. And a half dozen other I don't remember the names of. Our techs aren't good at repairing stuff, but they sure know how to seal a firewall.
Changing the port on Gnucleus didn't help, I guess.

In that case, they probably blocked all ports, leaving only the "official" ports for services like FTP and HTTP open. I'm sure it works great for some viruses...
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The Dark wrote:Tried it. And Morpheus. And Gnutella. And a half dozen other I don't remember the names of. Our techs aren't good at repairing stuff, but they sure know how to seal a firewall.
Changing the port on Gnucleus didn't help, I guess.

In that case, they probably blocked all ports, leaving only the "official" ports for services like FTP and HTTP open. I'm sure it works great for some viruses...
Use a program called "socks" and you might be able to get around it...
Something similar to soks server...( or something)
Check tucows or ZDnet.
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PrinceofLowLight wrote:
Hyperion wrote: Someone want to explain the companies' reasoning behind putting pricetags of $50-70 on a game?
The fact that making games can take years and millions of dollars, and even then most games are only marketable for about two years. Not to mention a relatively high cost of production. $35-40 is entirely reasonable for a new game.
That's because they insist on having 20 staff to produce one game (and badly at that in most cases), Do you really think they needed everyone involved in Daikatana to make a subpar piece of shit? What about the Endless Fifa's and NBA lives from EA? Do you need 30 staff to change the graphics resolution? Plus your also subsidising all their bombed games, the ones that sold 40 copies in a year, yet had exactly the same size productin staff :roll: .
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I also use WinMX.

But only for fansubs and individual MP3s - never for shows/films that have been released, entire albums, or programmes.

Kazaa was a piece of shit that didn't work. So was Morpheus.

Same here. 50% michelle branch, 25 percent avril, and the rest other (yes I know people think its shitty but so what?) Then again I have very low bandwidth.

I used to use Gnucleus, but it was kinda slow and unreliable. I'll move to mutella or something later after I download stuff for my linux machine- 200 MB to go, at 30 a day
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EmperorMing wrote:
Crayz9000 wrote:
The Dark wrote:Tried it. And Morpheus. And Gnutella. And a half dozen other I don't remember the names of. Our techs aren't good at repairing stuff, but they sure know how to seal a firewall.
Changing the port on Gnucleus didn't help, I guess.

In that case, they probably blocked all ports, leaving only the "official" ports for services like FTP and HTTP open. I'm sure it works great for some viruses...
Use a program called "socks" and you might be able to get around it...
Something similar to soks server...( or something)
Check tucows or ZDnet.
I found something called Socks2HTTP. Is it any good?

I have this problem, might be a sort of firewall: my internet provider lets me download at about 13k/s (unless I mess with my modem in which case I get about 25 k/s) but only on HTTP and maybe FTP. If I start using eDonkey or KaZaA or WinMX or any of those programs that use a different port, I can only download about 1.5 k/s. Except between midnight and noon, when I can download full speed.

Do you think this proggy will help me overcome that?
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Why are CD prices are high? Video games? DVD movies? Computer games?

This phenomena can be summed up in one word: Capitalism, I would suggest you get used to it.

People "sell" their services rather than actually manufacturing a product. If an music artist makes a CD, they put their time, energy , and money [along with the company producing the album] you are basically stealing if you rip a CD, DVD or other software if you do not originally own it. They lay claim against that information and if you want it, you need to buy it. Welcome to the wonderful world of an information based society.

I use Kazaa to get my fav episodes of ATHF and music but if it is shut down, too bad so sad, I will just go on to the next P2P network. It is a matter to be settled in court by a judge
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Rob Wilson wrote:
That's because they insist on having 20 staff to produce one game (and badly at that in most cases), Do you really think they needed everyone involved in Daikatana to make a subpar piece of shit? What about the Endless Fifa's and NBA lives from EA? Do you need 30 staff to change the graphics resolution? Plus your also subsidising all their bombed games, the ones that sold 40 copies in a year, yet had exactly the same size productin staff :roll: .
The days of bedroom coders being able to put out commercially viable games are long, long gone. The amount of code required is immense and the art/music resources needed are nothing to sniff at either. The post mortems on gamasutra seem to peg the range between 250k and 2 million lines of code for a modern game. Getting that amount of code to actually work is a bit of a bitch it seems. It's not like software engineering is a mature field after all.
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote: Not all of us are socialist pirates, kid.

Cut the BS. There's nothing wrong with being a capitalist.
No, but being THAT kind of cappie is a crime.
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What kind? The kind that like to make profits?
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:What kind? The kind that like to make profits?
No, the kind that likes to make profits and goes whining to the government when they don't. (See also Lee "Air Bag" Iacoca, who wanted import restrictions on Japanese cars.)
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