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Nephtys wrote:Hobbes. AAUAGHFDHSFH. It's SO TRUE.
While Ghost Rider is correct, in that the mission where you hunt him down is pure magic, you too are correct. I thought Hobbes was awesome, like literally the greatest thing since everything in existence.I admired Hobbes.

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KhyronTheBackstabber wrote:I like number 18. :lol:
A great contribution to the gene pool.
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Why do Americans keep calling it 'Dr. Who'? Even those that watch the show and know it's just his name, not a title? Even when it's never, ever written like than in any publication ever anywhere in the world that isn't retarded? Do they think it's clever and that the BBC are just lamers for wasting those vowels on the title sequence?

PS Hobbes ruled, never played WC3, so meh. :)
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I found the humour to be of the "meh, keep your day-job" variety. It could be mildly amusing at times, but you really need to be a lot funnier than that in order to get away with such an inane list. I'm sure someone could make a much better list of awful moments in sci-fi.

When I think of awful moments in sci-fi, I think of scenes which made me cringe, like Kirk pompously reciting the American Declaration of Independence in the inexcusable TOS episode "The Omega Glory", or the scene where Anakin and Amidala are sitting by the fire and he goes off about his heart, or any of a number of scenes from more recent Star Trek episodes and movies (I suppose one would have to limit it to one cringeworthy scene per Trek era just for balance). Or how about John Travolta's Battlefield Earth? It seems to me that it would actually be quite easy to compile a list of truly horrible sci-fi moments that would have more merit than this one, and it would be just as easy to write snarky semi-humourous comments about them.
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There wasn't even a mention of Highlander 2. That film is so godawful that I can can't watch Highlander 1 without thinking about it.
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Gandalf wrote:There wasn't even a mention of Highlander 2. That film is so godawful that I can can't watch Highlander 1 without thinking about it.
Probably felt that was more in the fantasy than sci-fi genre?
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:I'm supprised that Lowtax didn't include Starwars vs. Startrek debates in the list.


especially after his encounter with the unmentionalble.
The article author was not Lowtax, but Zack Parsons.
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Darth Wong wrote:IWhen I think of awful moments in sci-fi, I think of scenes which made me cringe, like Kirk pompously reciting the American Declaration of Independence in the inexcusable TOS episode "The Omega Glory", or the scene where Anakin and Amidala are sitting by the fire and he goes off about his heart, or any of a number of scenes from more recent Star Trek episodes and movies (I suppose one would have to limit it to one cringeworthy scene per Trek era just for balance). Or how about John Travolta's Battlefield Earth? It seems to me that it would actually be quite easy to compile a list of truly horrible sci-fi moments that would have more merit than this one, and it would be just as easy to write snarky semi-humourous comments about them.
Oh thanks a fucking bunch, I had just got that crap burned out of my memory and you have to rekindle it. :D

To add to Trek bad moments, the whole idea of the Borg Queen.
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:I'm supprised that Lowtax didn't include Starwars vs. Startrek debates in the list.


especially after his encounter with the unmentionalble.
The article author was not Lowtax, but Zack Parsons.
Zack Parsons sounds like a syndrome of some kind.
or an over-the-hill childactor/rocker from the 1970s who is on their third liver and 10th deviorce.
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Jade Falcon wrote: To add to Trek bad moments, the whole idea of the Borg Queen.
The Borg Queen was OK for First Contact but mostly rum for Voyager (think Davros outliving his welcome after "Genesis of the Daleks").

And while I've forgotten about most of Babylon 5, unlike some, I don't think In the Beginning was awful at all and was far better than Third Space (derisively called 'Turd' Space by many critics and fans). And while Babylon 5 was notably winding down in it's fifth real season, it had an excellent and poignant final episode.

And "The Omega Glory" was great because of Shatner's unintentionally funny acting and the ridiculous notion of a future space faring society wanking over a long defunct Earth based nation (I found it silly even when I saw it first time in my early teens).
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I was originally of the same mind as what was stated on SA but after watching the CoR a few times I was able to readjust my notions about the reality Riddick lives in and now I think CoR is pretty cool too. :)

Yes, Pitch Black seemed to be more like a hardish sci-fi/horror movie like Alien while there CoR comes across as leaning towards science fantasy. A little personal adjustment time to what I orignally percieved as a drastic change and it's all good.
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I still like Pitch Black, but I'm saddened at how fickle Hollywood always is in how people abrubtly turned against Vin Diesel in just a few years (some people even balked at the possibility of him playing Agent 47 in a Hitman movie, even though it is likely going to still suck without him).
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Big Orange wrote: And "The Omega Glory" was great because of Shatner's unintentionally funny acting and the ridiculous notion of a future space faring society wanking over a long defunct Earth based nation (I found it silly even when I saw it first time in my early teens).
It's not that unbelievable when you consider that not only is Kirk himself American and proud of it, but that Kirks Federation is basically SpaceAmerica. People still wank over Athens and Rome today, after all (to say nothing of SPAR-TA!!!!)

I'd nominate the whole TOS episode And the Children Shall Lead, the reasoning is explained here: http://www.agonybooth.com/extras/trek/and_the_children/. The whole episode is rubbish, but in terms of particular moments then the fat guy in the feathery moomoo's final scene is just... you've got to see it to understand it.[/i]
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Big Orange wrote:And "The Omega Glory" was great because of Shatner's unintentionally funny acting and the ridiculous notion of a future space faring society wanking over a long defunct Earth based nation (I found it silly even when I saw it first time in my early teens).
It's not that unbelievable when you consider that not only is Kirk himself American and proud of it, but that Kirks Federation is basically SpaceAmerica. People still wank over Athens and Rome today, after all (to say nothing of SPAR-TA!!!!)
And how do you explain an alien society independently and coincidentally coming up with the same Declaration of Independence, and even the same flag? "Unbelievable" is, if anything, a huge understatement.
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Darth Wong wrote:How do you explain an alien society independently and coincidentally coming up with the same Declaration of Independence, and even the same flag? "Unbelievable" is, if anything, a huge understatement.
Um, Hodgsons Law of Paralell Planetary Development?
I can't, I was really talking about BO's statement about the UFP wanking the USA, but you're right that that's absolutely nothing next to the whole idea of post-nuclear-war-world (which if anything is even worse than Roman-world and gangster-world).
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At least gangster world got that way from modeling themselves after a book that had been accidentally left there. Why they would choose such a stupid model? Who knows?
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Gandalf wrote:There wasn't even a mention of Highlander 2. That film is so godawful that I can can't watch Highlander 1 without thinking about it.
You think that was godawful? You've obviously never seen the sequel to Highlander Endgame. It was called Highlander: The Source.

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Let's do our own... Necronlord's list of the twenty two most cringe inducing moments in Sci-Fi.

In roughly ascending order...
  1. Star Wars: Return of the Jedi - Has many good things in its favour. And I'm not even going to pick on the Ewoks. But rather, the return to Tatooine. Frankly, there's no point in coming back there; nothing said Jabba had to be on that particular dive, indeed, one wonders why Han would have even been there looking for work, if his big nasty creditor was right next door. It set an irritating preceedent for the EU to keep on coming back to the same few worlds over and over again, rather than to explore the vast potential of an entire galaxy.
  2. Armegeddon - A special mention, for managing to get me to turn over despite having Liv Tyler to look at. Hard nosed oil men in space? What? Are Astronauts incapable of being proper characters? An asteroid the size of Texas? Made of fucking Iron? Just no. We're boned. We may as well just milk the sperm banks dry, and fire one last desperate shot at the moon while having one hell of an orgy and drug-fuelled binge in our last days.

    I'm pretty sure that this came out roughly around the same time as Deep Impact, a film that's got the same concept done about a million times better, too. Better science, better actors (sorry Liv) better script... And Morgan Freeman as the motherfucking president. This film's only good points were the madman, the Russian, and Liv Tyler. Blockbuster my ass.
  3. Starship Troopers (Movie) - You lazy bastard, Verhoven. You couldn't come up with a name for your (actually quite hilarious) film. I Robot also counts here, for the same trick of using a title and associated name of a well known writer to sucker people into seeing a film entirely different, even if that film is able to stand on its own.
  4. Star Trek DS9 - The Prophets. Ick. How did they go from being funky wormhole aliens that didn't understand time to the show's own private pantheon?
  5. Stargate: Infinity - There's going to be a lot of spinoffs on here. You know why? Because spinoffs often suck, that's why. I can maybe understand a 'Stargate' kids cartoon. But having experienced quite a bit of it during one particularly boring and masochistic weekend, I have to wonder why they were so slack about it. There's many, many 'kids' shows with much more adult and less preachy premises.
  6. Star Trek: Enterprise - I've seen a few episodes, and they're painful, but nowhere near memorable enough for anything but a generic mention grouped together as a show with a predictably poorly excecuted concept.
  7. Star Trek: TOS: Bread and Circuses - "Son of God" Christians? Rome? Gladiators? Goofy grins all 'round? Why? WHY?
  8. Star Trek: TOS: Spock's Brain - Yes, it gets two mentions. Three, in fact. TOS is easily my favourite ST series, and one of my favourite sci-fi series ever, but it could make some awful stinkers. What rampant sexist weirdness is this? There's a lot more pain than delight in this episode. The only redeeming feature is McCoy's occasional quip about how he preffers Spock with the brain removed. Though I might be misremembering those...
  9. Space 1999. How unscientific do you need to be to get onto this list? Nuclear waste exploding and blasting the moon into other solar systems. That's how.
  10. Star Trek: Voyager: Threshold: Gets to be the representative and most egregious example of all those inexplicably whacked Voyager episodes that prove the creators were actually living inside someone's giant crack pipe.
  11. Wanking about Star Trek: TOS: Plato's Stepchildren - This was a pretty poor episode, but not nearly a big enough turkey to get here on its own merits. What irritates me is people who rant about it being 'groundbreaking' in having Kirk kiss a black woman on television. Yes, by being made to do it by immoral immortals, that says something just wonderful, doesn't it? He'll kiss a black woman; provided they're both being forced into it by depraved sybarites with god powers! They could have just had him kiss some other black woman in the same way they have him kiss everything else in a skirt that's not a uniform...

    They should also talk about how it is a positive portrayal of the gay pony-play community, or some damn thing, for having him ride Spock around on the floor.
  12. Doctor Who: Destiny of the Daleks - Not only did it suck, have an inexplicable 'regeneration' scene, and depict the daleks as utter morons (hardly unique in that era) incapable of beating an alien race whose brains shut down at the sound of a dog whistle (what?) but it brought back Davros long after his usefulness had expired, treating us to a whole arc of episodes where the daleks essentially find themselves being manipulted by one deranged fascist in a wheelchair whose scientific knowledge is thousands of years out of date and woefully inaccurate.
  13. Star Trek: Voyager: Author Author - I can just about tolerate the Klingons and the Romulans (ick, Nemesis) having slave-run Dilithium mines. But it totally undermines the point when it appears that someone has to be wearing chains to mine Dilithium, even in the UFP. No wonder Picard objects to a Dilithium-slave's revolt.
  14. Star Trek: TNG: Nemesis - "How many Romulans died for your freedom?" What? Picard thinks that slaves should just take it up the ass and make with the peaceful protest? There's a whole slew of similar shockingly immoral quotes, but that's a fairly representative one.
  15. Babylon 5: The Legend of the Rangers - AIIIE. I've seen fifteen seconds and a script for this. But, I can't comprehend why JMS did this. He's produced some other flops... but... To paraphrase a youtube comment said "Not even Satan could come up with a worse B5 movie if he tried."
  16. Torchwood - What happens when you take a concept with some potential, a highly likable main character, and beat it with sticks and have it sodomised by wolves on viagra? You get Torchwood, a show I seriously believe would be improved by making it into an an S&M fantasy series about the lead protagonist amusing himself with his nigh-brainless subordinates.
  17. Dune Prequels - I'll admit. Heresy of heresies, I'm not a great big Dune fan. I even liked the David Lynch film, which probably proves I'm not a great big Dune fan. But I've read just enough about the prequels to think they deserve a pretty high place in this list.
  18. Alien 3 - Yeah. They pretty much had it right on SA. Why? For the love of god, why? Let it rest, or make something good of it. Don't just arbitrarily kill off the characters for no reason. And make the previously afraid of flamethrowers alien happily swim in molten lead, yet fail to catch some not terribly fit prisoners running down corridors (So it's only threatening at completely random intervals?). Even Paul McGann and Sigourney Weaver couldn't save this awful drek.
  19. Battlestar Galactica 1980 - And you thought Torchwood was the worst spinoff on this list? Hah!
  20. Plan 9 from outer space - I'm sure it'd get a worse rating. If I'd seen it (I've tried, really I have) Seriously... The plot alone of this... It's unimaginably bad.
  21. The Matrix Trilogy - Yes, I am putting the first film in here. Becuase personally, it didn't impress me at all. If I want to see a plank vaguely convey the story of Christ I'll go down to my local catholic church and do the stations of the cross. The sequels managed to make it even worse, until he's actually flown away by an 'angel' of the 'god of all machines' (They couldn't manage anything more impressive than a flying head, that's petulent enough to get upset and shouty when 'Neo' says they need him?) utter crap.
  22. Battlefield Earth - The whole film. What? Someone signed off on this? I know Travolta's a moron... but... God. This film is the audio-visual equivalent of a turd that won't flush away. Not just the worst sci-fi movie of all time, but the worst movie. Excluding those that are actually political advocations of genocide. And even they're probably less confusing.
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Gandalf wrote:There wasn't even a mention of Highlander 2. That film is so godawful that I can can't watch Highlander 1 without thinking about it.
You think that was godawful? You've obviously never seen the sequel to Highlander Endgame. It was called Highlander: The Source.

The suckiness of Highlander 2 is but a mere shadow to the sun of Highlander: The Source.
But people hadn't yet grown to expect Highlander to equal utter shit when Highlander 2 came out. I mean, really, did anyone expect Highlander: The Source to be anything other than a steaming heap of rat droppings?
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Darth Wong wrote:When I think of awful moments in sci-fi, I think of scenes which made me cringe, like Kirk pompously reciting the American Declaration of Independence in the inexcusable TOS episode "The Omega Glory"
It was the preamble to the US Constitution, and I think Kirk's way of reading it is suitably awe inspiring. :D
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Darth Wong wrote:And how do you explain an alien society independently and coincidentally coming up with the same Declaration of Independence, and even the same flag? "Unbelievable" is, if anything, a huge understatement.
In fairness, that particular brand of ludicrousness is not unique to that episode. Remember Romanworld, and Miri's planet?
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NecronLord wrote:[*]Space 1999. How unscientific do you need to be to get onto this list? Nuclear waste exploding and blasting the moon into other solar systems. That's how.
Granted, bad science, but there were some damned good episodes like Dragon's Domain, Earthbound and so on. The unfortunate thing is that Freddie Friedburger, who did the third series of TOS, later seasons of Six Million Dollar Man and so on took over on the 2nd season citing that 'US fans wanted more action and less thinking'. Hence came the rubber suit monsters. The ironic thing being, most S:1999 fans, wherever they come from prefer year 1. Freiberger was the Brian Herbert of his generation.

No mention for the utter screwup of the later seasons of The X-Files? The one I remember was the episode where Mulder finally discovers what happened to his sister. A vein that had been through all the previous seasons and when it finally happened it was "Is that IT!!!"

Thunderbirds the live action movie. I've seen clips, enough said. Like a millionairess would drive a Ford. Apparently Rolls Royce wouldn't let them use their name. I've heard the product placement was as bad as I Robots or Die Another Days.
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Stark wrote:Why do Americans keep calling it 'Dr. Who'? Even those that watch the show and know it's just his name, not a title?
Because "Doctor" has four whole extra letters in it dammit, and the internets are a fast place, where abbreviations are king.
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NecronLord wrote:Starship Troopers (Movie) - You lazy bastard, Verhoven. You couldn't come up with a name for your (actually quite hilarious) film. I Robot also counts here, for the same trick of using a title and associated name of a well known writer to sucker people into seeing a film entirely different, even if that film is able to stand on its own.
Verhoven could, and did, come-up with a name for his film. It was called Bug Hunt prior to Verhoven finding-out about Heinlein's novel and deciding to drag the poor man's name through the mud.
NecronLord wrote:Stargate: Infinity - There's going to be a lot of spinoffs on here. You know why? Because spinoffs often suck, that's why. I can maybe understand a 'Stargate' kids cartoon. But having experienced quite a bit of it during one particularly boring and masochistic weekend, I have to wonder why they were so slack about it. There's many, many 'kids' shows with much more adult and less preachy premises
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Regarding the TOS and Doctor Who mentions. It's a symptom of having a bunch of different writers for the show. With so many people contributing ideas, it's almost inevitable that you'll get some real wall bangers in the bunch.
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Adrian Laguna wrote:Verhoven could, and did, come-up with a name for his film. It was called Bug Hunt prior to Verhoven finding-out about Heinlein's novel and deciding to drag the poor man's name through the mud.
The Starship Troopers movie may not have had much in common with the book, but saying it dragged Heinlein's name through the mud is going a bit far. The book is awful after all.
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