Darkstar's so called "Rebuttal" of MoO

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-13 04:29pm

Darth Wong wrote:As I said before, RSA doesn't recognize that the lavish victory dance is something you do AFTER the touchdown. If you do the lavish victory dance and hope people will confuse it for a touchdown, you will only make yourself look foolish.

Actually, he knows that. What he can't fathom is being wrong. He cannot even perceive being wrong on the slightest issue, so he concludes, with his twisted logic, that he's already made the touchdown.

And if I am made to use another American Football metaphor I will vomit.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-13 04:57pm

*imagines DarkStar dancing like in the intro of that movie Baseketball*

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-13 05:16pm

Darth Wong wrote:As I said before, RSA doesn't recognize that the lavish victory dance is something you do AFTER the touchdown. If you do the lavish victory dance and hope people will confuse it for a touchdown, you will only make yourself look foolish.

But making himself look foolish appears to be the only thing DS knows how to do.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-13 05:21pm

beyond hope wrote:I have this sudden flashback to watching The Two Towers, where they were trying to brace the door of the keep. It would seem that the walls of the Shield of Ignorance are being reinforced even as we speak.

Hence why we need to keep wailing on it. Eventually he will be forced to alter his site and remove the falacies, or he will give up.

Oddity · Post by **Oddity** » 2003-01-13 05:32pm

Sr.mal wrote:Also his treating is this as "The Battle of Britian" shames not only the people who died during the real one in WW2, but also proves that he has a severe metal disorder.

Speaking of the Battle of Britain, something Winston Churchill once said comes to mind:

"Nothing is more pleasing than being shot at by ones enemy without result."

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-01-13 06:12pm

Darth Wong wrote:As I said before, RSA doesn't recognize that the lavish victory dance is something you do AFTER the touchdown. If you do the lavish victory dance and hope people will confuse it for a touchdown, you will only make yourself look foolish.

Of course with Dark Star it's closer to doing a lavish victory dance after scoring on one's own goal.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-13 06:19pm

Or just in the middle of the field.

I mean one doesn't go "and he has just conceded the debate..." when all can see he hasn't.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-01-14 02:35pm

It's quite hypocritical of him to say numerous times that all Mike does is use PR bullshit to win, and then he goes and creates a page about Mike on his website. Not mke's ST vs SW arguements, but Mike himself.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-14 03:26pm

Darkstar has NEVER worried about making a good consistant argument. All he cares about is pursuading gullible fools to his side and hoping that people won't read Mike's site.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-14 03:56pm

Darkstar's site actually serves a potentially useful purpose, as a testing device. If somebody reads it and doesn't notice what's wrong on his own, then we know he's an idiot.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-14 06:24pm

2000AD wrote:It's quite hypocritical of him to say numerous times that all Mike does is use PR bullshit to win, and then he goes and creates a page about Mike on his website. Not mke's ST vs SW arguements, but Mike himself.

I, personally, find that HILARIOUS. It is honestly one of the funniest things that I have ever read, in that it is so ridiculously hypocritical and establishes such a ludicrous double-standard.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-01-14 06:33pm

Darkstar Paradox #2

RSA will state that his opposition is guilty of the fuax-pas, fallicy etc That he is about to commit at length. Eg: Rabid Warsies committe eggregious personal attacks rather then focus on debate merits, they are sexual perverts, mean spirited hackers, out and out deceptive trolls..... (Snip two and a half pages of Simulated darkstarisms) ....And Mike Wong killed Kenndy (Were not sure if he's refering to President Kennedy or the Critique of DITL) Master of Ossus abused my dog. Dalton hurt my sister'ss feelings. ... etc

Sonnenburg · Post by **Sonnenburg** » 2003-01-14 09:49pm

I do not contradict myself,
I am only taken out of context.

What others think of me doesn't matter,
unless they think I'm right.

If I say something that turns out to be incorrect,
it doesn't mean I was wrong.

I can chastise others for doing what I do,
but that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

I will accept only what agrees with me,
but I am not close-minded.

I will change my opponent's argument and attack that,
but I don't use strawmen.

I repeat myself so others will understand,
others repeat themselves because they're too stupid to admit being wrong.

If my opponent's theory includes less evidence, they fail,
if my opponent's theory contains more evidence, they still fail.

Opponents who quote whole paragraphs of me are dishonest,
but I may attack sentence fragments with a clear conscience.

I can refuse to address my opponent's points,
but I'm not ignoring them.

Only rabid Warsies disagree with me,
because anyone who disagrees with me is a rabid Warsie.

I am right about everything,
but I'm not egocentric.

If the majority says I'm right, it's because I'm correct,
if the majority says I'm wrong, it's because they're conspiring against me.

I don't use false dilemmas,
but the answer's only one or the other.

I am Darkstar
look on my works ye mighty, and despair.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2003-01-14 10:54pm

Chuck I think that should be archived and posted far and wide both for the hilarity and the fact that its absolutely true.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-01-14 11:27pm

Sonnenburg wrote:I do not contradict myself,
I am only taken out of context.

What others think of me doesn't matter,
unless they think I'm right.

If I say something that turns out to be incorrect,
it doesn't mean I was wrong.

I can chastise others for doing what I do,
but that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

I will accept only what agrees with me,
but I am not close-minded.

I will change my opponent's argument and attack that,
but I don't use strawmen.

I repeat myself so others will understand,
others repeat themselves because they're too stupid to admit being wrong.

If my opponent's theory includes less evidence, they fail,
if my opponent's theory contains more evidence, they still fail.

Opponents who quote whole paragraphs of me are dishonest,
but I may attack sentence fragments with a clear conscience.

I can refuse to address my opponent's points,
but I'm not ignoring them.

Only rabid Warsies disagree with me,
because anyone who disagrees with me is a rabid Warsie.

I am right about everything,
but I'm not egocentric.

If the majority says I'm right, it's because I'm correct,
if the majority says I'm wrong, it's because they're conspiring against me.

I don't use false dilemmas,
but the answer's only one or the other.

I am Darkstar
look on my works ye mighty, and despair.

My brain hurts.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-15 07:48am

Stravo wrote:The only reason why Dorkstar is trying desperately to toss out the EU is for a very simple reason, the EU provides hard numbers as to weapons and shield strengths in SW, (ICS) for Trek its the silver bullet for ANY argument re: vs. Just whip out 200 gigatons and the Hudson line from aliens can be repeated by Trekkies all over: "game over, man...game over."

ICS is not EU though.

Dirty Harry · Post by **Dirty Harry** » 2003-01-15 08:11am

What I want to know is what makes someone like RSA like they are? What incident (or incidents) made Scooter the master of Bullshitting that he is?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-15 08:55am

Dirty Harry wrote:What I want to know is what makes someone like RSA like they are? What incident (or incidents) made Scooter the master of Bullshitting that he is?

Y'know this God fellow that is a central character in the novel "Bible"? Well he knew people weren't scared of pure evil like Satan (especially atheists like us who know he doesn't exist) so he added into the mix all his vile thoughts and anti-logical brainstorms and with a pinch of insanity and a lot of ignorance, Scooter was born into reality.

Many say God moves in mysterious ways. Others say he has a cruel sense of humour.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-15 09:37am

Dirty Harry wrote:What I want to know is what makes someone like RSA like they are? What incident (or incidents) made Scooter the master of Bullshitting that he is?

I don't think it's an incident so much as the absence of key incidents: making friends, falling in love, getting a life, earning respect from his peers, etc. His behaviour patterns all indicate a desperate desire for respect; he doesn't seem to have any innate ability to earn respect, so he seeks to attack and destroy the reputations of others.

Look at his website: most of his pages do not seek to explain, teach, or demonstrate anything except for how "Warsies" are bad, stupid people. Even when pilloried by somethingawful.co*, his reflexive response was not to defend himself, not to shrug it off, but to E-mail the site with his typical attacks on Wayne and myself, as if he doesn't know any other way to react.

Dirty Harry · Post by **Dirty Harry** » 2003-01-15 10:29am

Mmmm, then that would explain why RSA, in the tradition of all the best Liars, conmen and Bullshitters, ACTUALLY believes every word he says.

Dirty Harry · Post by **Dirty Harry** » 2003-01-15 10:32am

Aw shit, the hated double post. Would a Mod nuke the second one for me ,thanks.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-01-15 11:06am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Stravo wrote:The only reason why Dorkstar is trying desperately to toss out the EU is for a very simple reason, the EU provides hard numbers as to weapons and shield strengths in SW, (ICS) for Trek its the silver bullet for ANY argument re: vs. Just whip out 200 gigatons and the Hudson line from aliens can be repeated by Trekkies all over: "game over, man...game over."
ICS is not EU though.

Some Trektards and RSA seem to think so. Remember its not just EU he's trying to kick out of the debate. In his words..ONLY THE FILMS ARE CANON, so even official amterial would not count

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-15 11:34am

Stravo wrote:
Some Trektards and RSA seem to think so. Remember its not just EU he's trying to kick out of the debate. In his words..ONLY THE FILMS ARE CANON, so even official amterial would not count

Wouldn't it be funny to send a question to Ask the Jedi Council about the ICS status, and to have it declared canon?

Not that it matters. There is literally a shitload of quotes that clearly establishes the official material as part of the Star Wars continuity, to the blatant point of the Rostoni "Everything is canon" quote.

Noone buys Darkstar's bullshit interpretation of a FRAGMENT of a Lucas quote.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-15 12:12pm

And as I've said before, if we applied Darkstar's "one off-hand quote by the creator overrides everything else" method to both sides, then we can dump everything that didn't have Gene Roddenberry's name as producer. No more Voyager, no more DS9, no more TNG movies, etc. But noooooo, that would be unreasonable, wouldn't it? Even when many of those shows contradict what went before!

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-15 12:59pm

The problem is that by removing stuff from Star Trek canon, we actually have *less* weak spots to capitalize

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