More Trektardism

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-10-16 06:55am

Another request: Spock is continuing to claim that the R2 and R4 units that the Trad Fed ship swatted off of Amidala's cruiser were hit by "deflected flak bursts" or the like. I'm searching for a clip on youtube, but does anyone around here have TPM on DVD and could possibly upload the scene to a downloader? I want to have a set of frame by frame screen shots to shove down his throat.

EnterpriseSovereign · Post by **EnterpriseSovereign** » 2007-10-16 07:57am

Aratech wrote:Another request: Spock is continuing to claim that the R2 and R4 units that the Trad Fed ship swatted off of Amidala's cruiser were hit by "deflected flak bursts" or the like. I'm searching for a clip on youtube, but does anyone around here have TPM on DVD and could possibly upload the scene to a downloader? I want to have a set of frame by frame screen shots to shove down his throat.

I got the DVD but I don't know how to upload portions of it

Post by **Vympel** » 2007-10-16 08:28am

Aratech wrote:Another request: Spock is continuing to claim that the R2 and R4 units that the Trad Fed ship swatted off of Amidala's cruiser were hit by "deflected flak bursts" or the like. I'm searching for a clip on youtube, but does anyone around here have TPM on DVD and could possibly upload the scene to a downloader? I want to have a set of frame by frame screen shots to shove down his throat.

Ram these down the liar's throat.

Impact on the first astromech captured mid-occurence (no need for a frame by frame on this one):-

Frame just before explosion on the second astromech to die:-

And it's explosion (frame immediately after):-

Frame of pre-impact third astromech:-

and explosion (frame immediately after):-

They're all direct hits, and you'd have to be retarded to ... oh.

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-10-16 08:32am

Thank you, sir... times like this make me wish we had a Darth Vader smiley.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2007-10-16 10:34am

Aratech wrote:Another request: Spock is continuing to claim that the R2 and R4 units that the Trad Fed ship swatted off of Amidala's cruiser were hit by "deflected flak bursts" or the like. I'm searching for a clip on youtube, but does anyone around here have TPM on DVD and could possibly upload the scene to a downloader? I want to have a set of frame by frame screen shots to shove down his throat.

you could also (assuming you haven't done so already) ask him why these supposed "flak blast" never end up taking out more then 1 droid at a time.

Kane Starkiller · Post by **Kane Starkiller** » 2007-10-16 10:43am

You're not going anywhere with that guy. I remember back on his starfleetjedi forum when we discussed Death Star's supposed chain reaction I asked him to provide any alternative mechanism to simple energy transfer. He replied there is an entire host of "chemical reactions" that would do the trick and when asked to elaborate on them he said they are "too complicated" to go into right now.
Utterly pathetic.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2007-10-16 12:20pm

I stubled over this nugget made by "Shuttle":

8472 were completely resistant to convential energy weapons - it took Borg nanoprobes to do them any damage. Do some research.

Ok, what's wrong this?

Oh right, we actually saw two instances where energy weapons DID hurt 8472 and their ships.

-A Borg disruptor beam blew a hole through the cockpit of one bioship, the pilot had damn luck not to get killed on the spot by that.
-The Hiragon weakened a 8472 with their energy weapons, and it was clear that eventually they would kill it.

Man, the dishonesty becomes more evident with each post of theirs.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2007-10-16 12:47pm

Very interesting.
Someone said the same as me. And what is their answer? By not adressing the point at all and instead making an ad hominen attack. Jesus, if THAT is how they debate there.....

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2007-10-16 12:47pm

Haven't you been following things over there? According to the trekkies, the Skin of Evil torp was easily a gigaton-level banger. Some DS9 facility showed teraton level energy as a "conservative" estimate.

I gave up on that discussion a month ago, and then Halo 3 came out. So, no, I've been away from that argument for a bit.

Spock insists they can easily make one million c but fuel limits them doing so over a long period of time, hence Voyager's taking years to get home.

Which is really a red herring (aside from being refuted countless times in TNG and DS9). It doesn't matter how fast they move, its whether it is sustainable and they have the range to get where they're going - which is, oh, apparently limited by fuel concerns, which comes out to the exact same problem.

Apparently, this retard has never paid attention to real wars, like World War II's Pacific campaign.

But you're forgetting once again that according to the Trektards, it takes all day for SW ships to travel just over a parsec.

And apaprently Anakin was lying there for days or weeks next to a lava pit with his body burned to the point where he could barely breathe.

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2007-10-16 12:52pm

Tribun wrote:Very interesting.
Someone said the same as me. And what is their answer? By not adressing the point at all and instead making an ad hominen attack. Jesus, if THAT is how they debate there.....

Let me guess....SSFPheonix?

If he does that, you know you're winning. The only thing that guy can pull off is random flailing and accussing "rabid warsies" of not providing evidence - when he himself doesn't provide any either.

EnterpriseSovereign · Post by **EnterpriseSovereign** » 2007-10-16 12:54pm

Peptuck wrote:
Tribun wrote:Very interesting.
Someone said the same as me. And what is their answer? By not adressing the point at all and instead making an ad hominen attack. Jesus, if THAT is how they debate there.....
Let me guess....SSFPheonix?

If he does that, you know you're winning. The only thing that guy can pull off is random flailing and accussing "rabid warsies" of not providing evidence - when he himself doesn't provide any either.

I can't wait for him to answer the lastest rebuttal of his arguments

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-10-16 01:06pm

Tribun wrote:Very interesting.
Someone said the same as me. And what is their answer? By not adressing the point at all and instead making an ad hominen attack. Jesus, if THAT is how they debate there.....

Why not check the guy who said the same thing as you and then look at my sig.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2007-10-16 01:23pm

The guy (Spockwhatever) keeps bringing up Sarli, but game mechanics aside (JC 94) and Sarli's wish to tinker with canon in the thread over at Wizards, nothing came out of it, right? I haven't seen it referenced in any other canon source.

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » 2007-10-16 01:26pm

Mange wrote:The guy (Spockwhatever) keeps bringing up Sarli, but game mechanics aside (JC 94) and Sarli's wish to tinker with canon in the thread over at Wizards, nothing came out of it, right? I haven't seen it referenced in any other canon source.

Sarli's only authority is over RPG mechanics, which are non-canon. Spock's really reaching to have to sink to that.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-10-16 01:52pm

Darwin wrote:Sarli's only authority is over RPG mechanics, which are non-canon. Spock's really reaching to have to sink to that.

Spock references Darkstar. 'nuff said.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-10-16 02:05pm

General Schatten wrote:
Tribun wrote:Very interesting.
Someone said the same as me. And what is their answer? By not adressing the point at all and instead making an ad hominen attack. Jesus, if THAT is how they debate there.....
Why not check the guy who said the same thing as you and then look at my sig.

Oh and do you happen to have the episode names, I watched them in reruns on G4TTV and didn't pay attention to the name.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2007-10-16 02:15pm

Yep. Here it is:

-In "Scorpion, Part I", they discover the damage inside the bioship. I even have the quote in question:
SCREENPLAY: Tuvok is eyeing a large section of the wall that is scorched and torn. He scans it.
TUVOK: This damage was caused by a Borg disruptor beam. The wall appears to be regenerating itself.

-The Hirogen hunt an 8472 in "Prey". And it's made CLEAR in the end, that the Hirogen will KILL the 8472.

And tell them that they can't weasel out, both, the Borg disruptor beam and Hirogen assault rifles are clearly conventional energy weapons, thus trashing the idea that 8472 is immune to them.

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2007-10-16 02:42pm

Besides, even if they were immune to Trek energy weapons, it doesn't mean that they'd be immune to turbolasers or similar such weaponry that operate under differing principles and with vastly different yields.

Kane Starkiller · Post by **Kane Starkiller** » 2007-10-16 02:46pm

What I want to know is from whose ass did JMSpock pull that 100 gigaton number for Enterprises main deflector beam.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-10-16 03:35pm

Alderaanian an ethnicity, seriously.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2007-10-16 03:50pm

Vympel wrote:Ram these down the liar's throat.

=snip=

Isn't it funny how the Trektards claim the Trade Fed guns weren't aiming for the droids (because you know, Star Wars turbolasers can't be aimed with any accuracy...) but the Nubian was simply flying into the supressing fire of the guns?

Nope, as those pictures show, those turbolasers weren't aiming for the droids at all...

Someone should investigate Ric Ollie, to see if he was a Palpatine spy...

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-10-16 04:58pm

Dear God, a Jackass who doesn't see why a chain-reaction wouldn't work differently on a different kind of shield, but DET would.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-10-16 05:04pm

Lord Poe wrote:Isn't it funny how the Trektards claim the Trade Fed guns weren't aiming for the droids (because you know, Star Wars turbolasers can't be aimed with any accuracy...) but the Nubian was simply flying into the supressing fire of the guns?

They don't have any concept of suppression fire in Star Trek. Why should the hard-core fans have any concept of it? They're educated by Star Trek, remember?

On another note. Remember the time those idiots tried to use the "Millenium Falcon" easter egg from First Contact to "prove" SW ships can't defeat the borg. I was just watching TPM and was reminded of E.T. appearing in the senate. There's canon proof of intergalactic trips in SW!!!

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-10-16 05:06pm

Kane Starkiller wrote:What I want to know is from whose ass did JMSpock pull that 100 gigaton number for Enterprises main deflector beam.

Either his own or Darkstar's. Probably the latter. Those idiots aren't competent enough to come up with anything new.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2007-10-16 05:10pm

Kane Starkiller wrote:What I want to know is from whose ass did JMSpock pull that 100 gigaton number for Enterprises main deflector beam.

Easy.

Look at First Contact. Take the time it takes to kill Borg cube, use highest end number for both Photon Torpedos AND Starfleet = Outrageous number.

Oh and lower it bit since it didn't kill the cube.