Force Ghosts and Clone Bodies

[Havok]

So we know that EU Palpatine could transfer his essence into a new clone body.
Could Yoda, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan or Anakin do that if they wished, once they had reached ghost status?
How wank is this?
What is its feasibility based on what we know?
Is it just a Dark Side thing?
If they did do it, would they retain their Force abilities assuming they transfered into a Midi equipped body?
If they transfered into a regular body would they get back to ghost when they died again?
Why aren't the Light sight ghosts in the horrible ghost world that Palpatine speaks of when he goes from body to body? Are they using different ghost worlds?

[Civil War Man]

Considering that attempting to cheat death for someone else is considered Dark Side, doing it for yourself would give out bad karma points. It's also possible that even if they did want to (which Yoda at least wouldn't, considering how he was quite ready to die at his age), they would not know how to go about doing it, since the act of possession and resurrection seems to be canonically not only Dark Side, but extremely high level Dark Side.

[DarthShady]

Why aren't the Light sight ghosts in the horrible ghost world that Palpatine speaks of when he goes from body to body? Are they using different ghost worlds?

Maybe there is a concept of heaven and hell.The Jedi join with the force and the Sith suffer in the terrible ghost world because of all the bad things they did.
That would definitely be a reason for every Sith lord to try and resurrect himself.

[Illuminatus Primus]

So we know that EU Palpatine could transfer his essence into a new clone body.
Could Yoda, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan or Anakin do that if they wished, once they had reached ghost status?
How wank is this?
What is its feasibility based on what we know?
Is it just a Dark Side thing?
If they did do it, would they retain their Force abilities assuming they transfered into a Midi equipped body?
If they transfered into a regular body would they get back to ghost when they died again?
Why aren't the Light sight ghosts in the horrible ghost world that Palpatine speaks of when he goes from body to body? Are they using different ghost worlds?

Only Palpatine possessed the ability of life transfer/transfer essence, that we are aware of. Ancient Sith Lords had their souls bonded to special temples or specially-designed sarcophagi and could possible transfer on that basis. But generally, once one truly dead, it was no longer possible to transfer essence to another body. Palpatine was able to translate his consciousness and spirit across thousands of light-years to possess his Emperor's Hand, Jeng Droga, after Endor and again after Da Soocha V to Byss to possess his last clone body.

[Darth Yoshi]

What about Callista? She was able transfer herself into a new body, although she was bereft of Force powers for a while after.

[PainRack]

What about Callista? She was able transfer herself into a new body, although she was bereft of Force powers for a while after.

That was a freak accident, and the fact that Callista could only access the Dark side after this suggests that it isn't something light-siders could willingly do.


However, I'm against the user duology of the Force. I utterly dislike the concept of there being "sole" Dark Side powers in which only Dark Jedi or the Sith could use. Yes, there are force powers in which the Jedi won't willingly use, or are afraid to use because of the risks and dangers involved but there are authors out there who seem to make this into a sorta blanket statement(KJA).

[Darth Massacrus]

Maybe there is a concept of heaven and hell.The Jedi join with the force and the Sith suffer in the terrible ghost world because of all the bad things they did.
That would definitely be a reason for every Sith lord to try and resurrect himself.

I think the closest thing to Hell in Star Wars is 'Chaos', supposedly some sort of Hell for darksiders.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Only Palpatine possessed the ability of life transfer/transfer essence, that we are aware of. Ancient Sith Lords had their souls bonded to special temples or specially-designed sarcophagi and could possible transfer on that basis. But generally, once one truly dead, it was no longer possible to transfer essence to another body. Palpatine was able to translate his consciousness and spirit across thousands of light-years to possess his Emperor's Hand, Jeng Droga, after Endor and again after Da Soocha V to Byss to possess his last clone body.

There's also the Fallen Jedi, Set Harth, before he died he learned how to jump from body to body, and continued to do so for four-centuries and then around ~600 ABY he contacted some cloners and has been switching clones of his original body when they reach the physical age of 30 for the next six-hundred years.

[Illuminatus Primus]

What? Where's this from?

Could you give me citations and quotes? Also, for the first four hundred years he just jumped from between different random people? Where'd he find all the Force sensitives to do that? How did he get so strong to overpower unwilling adult Force sensitives? And he kept his old body around until he met some cloners?

[NecronLord]

He's a Wizards of the Coast creation, apparently from Ultimate Adversaries (which at least has a holo-shrouded Droideka. How cool is that?). As an RPG creation, one shouldn't expect too much. Incidentally, he's one of their more depicted characters, but that's where I think that backstory is.

Of course, for all we know, this is who Palpatine tortured horribly to learn how to do such things.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Yeah, it's in Ultimate Adversaries, which for all it's adversaries lists which era (Old Republic, Rise of the Empire, Rebellion, New Republic, New Jedi Order, or Legacy Eras) they can be used in and he's listed as any era. He was originally listed in the Darkside Sourcebook, his picture was used in the Darkside Subsection on the Force in the Revised Core Rulebook and he was updated and his story was given more information and the ability to body snatch in Ultimate Adversaries. Note that there's no mention that the target has to be force-sensitive in the RPG, and in fact a Darkside Spirits abilities to use some powers from beyond the grave would indicate that it's the persons very being that allows one to manipulate the force, rather than biology.
Set Harth

[Illuminatus Primus]

No mention means to me they probably must have been Force sensitives; after all, Palpatine NEEDED Anakin Solo or at least one of the Ysanna people because of their Jedi heritage. He was able to possess Jeng Droga, one of his Hands, but if not necessary, why not possess Admiral Harrsk and lead the Imperial fleet to victory? Perhaps at his level of power and skill, he could not survive in the body of a Force insensate or a weak Force sensitive.

[Havok]

No mention means to me they probably must have been Force sensitives; after all, Palpatine NEEDED Anakin Solo or at least one of the Ysanna people because of their Jedi heritage. He was able to possess Jeng Droga, one of his Hands, but if not necessary, why not possess Admiral Harrsk and lead the Imperial fleet to victory? Perhaps at his level of power and skill, he could not survive in the body of a Force insensate or a weak Force sensitive.

Didn't Palpatine empower non Force sensatives with Dark Side Force powers in DE II? Couldn't he just do that with any body he wished?

[FOG3]

Only Palpatine possessed the ability of life transfer/transfer essence, that we are aware of.

I'm pretty sure the Thrawn Trilogy, or perhaps Darksaber made it clear Palpatine learned that trick with a doohickey of some sort from someone else, who I seem to recall being described as a Jedi Master.

After facing off against Mace Windu, rational and Palpatine aren't really on the same page anymore.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Burden of proof is on the asserter. First of all, while he could empower Force insensates, I believe each of the seven "Emperor's Dark Jedi" and their subsequent replacements in the Dark Side Elite were previously dark side adepts or dark Jedi in their own right in each case; Palpatine was absorbing them into his own will and increasing their power, but their weren't Force insensate without him. Second of all, he knew from the outset he needed Force sensates belonging to a Jedi heritage (the Ysanna tribesmen and chieftan, Anakin Solo, Jeng Droga, etc.), and later it became clear he needed Anakin Solo specifically. This is never explained, but the fact he both risked madness in the dark side translating his essence across thousands of light-years after the Force was balanced at Endor so he could possess Jeng Droga, and again after Da Soocha V and the destructive defeat at the hands of the Skywalker twins and the unborn Anakin Solo begs the question WHY if there isn't very significant drawbacks to possessing Force insensates, if even possible.

I mean if they could possess anyone without consequence, apart from vanity, why bother with clones? It must be dangerous, risky, or impossible. And considering the extreme risk of Palpatine's numerous near-deaths, suggests the only reasonable explanation for his not assuming any nearby body was that he could not.

Only Palpatine possessed the ability of life transfer/transfer essence, that we are aware of.

I'm pretty sure the Thrawn Trilogy, or perhaps Darksaber made it clear Palpatine learned that trick with a doohickey of some sort from someone else, who I seem to recall being described as a Jedi Master.

After facing off against Mace Windu, rational and Palpatine aren't really on the same page anymore.

Preytell, what's so irrational about Darth Sidious following the duel against the Jedi Council at 500 Republica? What is so uncharacteristic for a Sith Lord?

[Ritterin Sophia]

I mean if they could possess anyone without consequence, apart from vanity, why bother with clones? It must be dangerous, risky, or impossible. And considering the extreme risk of Palpatine's numerous near-deaths, suggests the only reasonable explanation for his not assuming any nearby body was that he could not.

Ah, yes, obviously it's vanity, I mean why else would a power-hungry darksides desire to live forever and humans in SW obviously have lifespans well into the thousands of years.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I mean if they could possess anyone without consequence, apart from vanity, why bother with clones? It must be dangerous, risky, or impossible. And considering the extreme risk of Palpatine's numerous near-deaths, suggests the only reasonable explanation for his not assuming any nearby body was that he could not.[emphasis mine, in compensation of Dumbass's reading incomprehension]

Ah, yes, obviously it's vanity, I mean why else would a power-hungry darksides desire to live forever and humans in SW obviously have lifespans well into the thousands of years.

I said why would they NEED clones if they could just possess anyone - even the Force insensate - without consequence in order to leave forever, aside from vanity? Apparently you can't read, fuckmook. They would be able to live forever WITHOUT clones if this guy did it for four centuries, get it? So why clones? There must be an advantage.

[Havok]

PBBBBTTTT!! Did you just call him a "fuckmook"?!

[Darth Massacrus]

]I'm pretty sure the Thrawn Trilogy, or perhaps Darksaber made it clear Palpatine learned that trick with a doohickey of some sort from someone else, who I seem to recall being described as a Jedi Master.

I think you mean Jedi Master Ashka Boda and the Jedi Holocron Palpatine captured after killing Boda.

[Darth Ruinus]

Wait, Chaos is a "hell" for Dark Siders? Can someone explain?

[Alexian Cale]

Perhaps at his level of power and skill, he could not survive in the body of a Force insensate or a weak Force sensitive.

I'd say that that is pretty much a fact; that his clones were insufficient and that Anakin Solo was the only accepted choice concludes that only someone of the Skywalker line would be powerful enough in the Force to sustain his own energies.

[Illuminatus Primus]

We know as early as Dark Empire he had at least vague aspirations of perhaps molding Anakin Solo into a future host for his essence, although his clones seemed a tolerable if imperfect solution. The obsolescence of his own clones due to the cellular sabotage of Jax's conspiracy seemed to leave it, as you said, the only acceptable option.

[Kurgan]

The Clone Emperor is an idiot. Why would he want to possess a baby? He's crazy as well as stupid!


But, then again, he's a comic book villain, so what should we expect?

[Illuminatus Primus]

The Clone Emperor is an idiot. Why would he want to possess a baby? He's crazy as well as stupid!

But, then again, he's a comic book villain, so what should we expect?

We know they have age-acceleration biotechnology and gene therapy. Besides, just because your only option sucks doesn't mean its worse than death.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

It will be hilarious if it got through. Similar to the Bene Gesserit pre-born.