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Cyma sent this via PM instead of posting it here:
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The level of erosion should be constant all over the world, since all of the world's erosion was supposedly caused by a single global event. However, some mountains are much more eroded than others (eg. the Appalachians as opposed to the Rockies).
Actually, new mountains are formed all the time. why would it have to be equal erosion?
How did Noah build the Ark? A simple examination of shipbuilding techniques and manpower requirements reveals that a wooden boat of that size will not be seaworthy because of excessive leakage, and that one man couldn't possibly build it. The act of procuring the necessary wood alone would have easily overwhelmed him.
He had years to build the ark. Also, in the Bible it talks about usng various things in order to prevent leakage, among these, pitch on the inside and outside of the ark.
How did the ice caps form? They would have been broken up and melted during the flood, and there hasn't been enough time for them to form since then. Moreover, Greenland ice cores show a progression of yearly patterns since well before the Flood, even though the entire mass should have been broken up.
Two words: Ice Age. As to the progresive greenland whatever it is...could you provide a little more background?
Why aren't the fossils of modern land-locked animals routinely found deep in the sea bed, even though a catastrophic flood should have easily pushed huge amounts of coastal life into the ocean?
umm...since when do we routinely look at the bottom of oceans for archeological digs??
Why aren't environmentally specialized fossils found away from their native environments? A flood would easily disperse fossils over very wide areas irrespective of their original environmental suitability, yet we see no evidence of this dispersion.
Guess what? they do, there is evidence that it does. Look up Karoo fossil beds for instance.
Why are different components of the same organism (ie. the pollen and trunk of a plant) invariably sorted at the same layer? Did the flood somehow sort the pollen and trunk and leaves of plants so that they would always end up in consistent layers?
This is unclear as to what you mean by sorting, please clarify.
Why are fossils layered with complete forest ecosystems to match, so that soil layers and plants and animals from one epoch are always grouped together? Did the flood somehow sort this too? That's one clever flood!
IF they are layerd with entire ecosystems to match...they must have been buried by a ton of stuff quickly! now what could posibly do this, hmmm....
How do they explain where all of the animals would have lived, or have they ever noticed that the sheer animal population indicated by fossil deposits is enough to fill the Earth to the point of being dangerously overcrowded? Not a problem if those animals lived over many hundreds of millions of years, but if they were all crammed into a 6,000 year history ...
Earth was more of an eden before the flood, like a tropical jungle, when thers lots of food and little competition, the population grows very fast.

OK, that's all for now, you gave me five pages to refute, that's all I have the time for
Look at some of his bullshit: I particularly like the way he obviously doesn't understand the "layered ecosystem" point at all (he seems to think there's just one layer, not successive layers perfectly segregated by time period), and the way he obviously doesn't get the biomass problem either (Earth's not big enough to support all of those animals at once, so he mumbles something about how it was like Eden, as if that would make it OK to stack animals five deep all over the planet).

And his bit about the Ark is priceless; doesn't it occur to him that 19th century shipbuilders knew how to minimize leakage too? You still can't build a thousand-foot long seaworthy wooden boat.
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Actually, new mountains are formed all the time. why would it have to be equal erosion?

Two words: Ice Age. As to the progresive greenland whatever it is...could you provide a little more background?

If you could ask this person to provide a timeline of history, it would certainly make for something to laugh at.

I want to see this guy squeeze in an ice age between Noah and Jesus.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Why aren't the fossils of modern land-locked animals routinely found deep in the sea bed, even though a catastrophic flood should have easily pushed huge amounts of coastal life into the ocean?
umm...since when do we routinely look at the bottom of oceans for archeological digs??
LOL - this guy hasn't heard of palaeooceanography or the Deep Sea Drilling Project? Doesn't he realise that most palaeontology is conducted in the oceans?
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Wow...this is funny

Half of spewing is ignorant the other half, just sheer stupidity.
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The Ark problem always cracks me up when they say they had dinos on the same boat without having the lesser animals eaten or trampled on.

The Ark is technologically unfeasible today yet these people reckon Noah could do it with some instruction from God.

I never understoof God's motivation for flooding anyway, surely being omnipotent means the proverbial cleaning of the slate and starting a new with the click of a finger.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:The Ark problem always cracks me up when they say they had dinos on the same boat without having the lesser animals eaten or trampled on.

The Ark is technologically unfeasible today yet these people reckon Noah could do it with some instruction from God.

I never understoof God's motivation for flooding anyway, surely being omnipotent means the proverbial cleaning of the slate and starting a new with the click of a finger.
Because he is a sadistic son of a bitch who enjoys making people suffer by having everybody die of drowning, and in the case of people already on boats, die of hunger or thirst.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote: I never understoof God's motivation for flooding anyway, surely being omnipotent means the proverbial cleaning of the slate and starting a new with the click of a finger.
We were obviously created for God's personal entertainment. There is no pain or suffering with snapping fingers. The flood gives the whole "gurgle ...gurgle... I knew I should have followed you a lord ... glug ...glug..." You can't buy that kind of ego boosting stuff.

Its the whole "fear god or yee shall suffer" thing. Really nice guy....
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neoolong wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:The Ark problem always cracks me up when they say they had dinos on the same boat without having the lesser animals eaten or trampled on.

The Ark is technologically unfeasible today yet these people reckon Noah could do it with some instruction from God.

I never understoof God's motivation for flooding anyway, surely being omnipotent means the proverbial cleaning of the slate and starting a new with the click of a finger.
Because he is a sadistic son of a bitch who enjoys making people suffer by having everybody die of drowning, and in the case of people already on boats, die of hunger or thirst.
Oh yeah, I did skip that part on his CV I guess.
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This is how the ice age could happen, well, at the moment, it's a bit vague, and I'm looking for some scientific backing, but it goes something like this.

Firt thing I would like to point out is that your theory relies on the assumption that we believe it raind enough water to cover the Earth, instead perhaps, a combination of flooding due to sinking plates, and rain, or something else.

However, as to how an ice age could come about..
water is reflective, in all it's forms. so, therefore, if the entire world was covered with water it would be bouncing the majority of sunlight back out into space, and since the world would be deprived of so much heat for such a long period of time, it would grradually cool down.

Water=mirror
sunlight=heat
earth covered with water= large mirror reflecting the majority of heat away from the Earth.

At the moment I'm looking for cloud and water albedo rates, and then I'm going to run some calculations to see if this theory for an ice age is possible.

I'm sorry to not have made my point clear Darth Wong, however, would you mind answering some of the questions I asked? If you don't answer them, it makes you appear like you don't know what you are talking about.
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Uhhh.
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Cyma wrote:This is how the ice age could happen, well, at the moment, it's a bit vague, and I'm looking for some scientific backing, but it goes something like this.

Firt thing I would like to point out is that your theory relies on the assumption that we believe it raind enough water to cover the Earth, instead perhaps, a combination of flooding due to sinking plates, and rain, or something else.

However, as to how an ice age could come about..
water is reflective, in all it's forms. so, therefore, if the entire world was covered with water it would be bouncing the majority of sunlight back out into space, and since the world would be deprived of so much heat for such a long period of time, it would grradually cool down.

Water=mirror
sunlight=heat
earth covered with water= large mirror reflecting the majority of heat away from the Earth.

At the moment I'm looking for cloud and water albedo rates, and then I'm going to run some calculations to see if this theory for an ice age is possible.

I'm sorry to not have made my point clear Darth Wong, however, would you mind answering some of the questions I asked? If you don't answer them, it makes you appear like you don't know what you are talking about.
So if I understand you correctly, you think the ice age was caused by a worldwide ocean reflecting enough sunlight to cool gobal temperatures.

Just one itty bitty problem with that. GLACIERS DON'T FORM ON WATER. And even if they did, ice FLOATS. If you've got magic glaciers that somehow form on ocean water, that's still not going to have any erosive effect on LAND. So either the temporary world ocean triggered the ice age, which would have had no effect on the land, or the ice age which was somehow started by the world ocean created glaciers after that ocean (and its presumed increased surface albiedo) ceased to exist.

None of this takes into account the fact that it would have been impossible for the polar glaciers to advance from their present positions down into the temperate zones and back in the time frame flood geology calls for, and even if they could, it would have been impossible for SOME culture with writing not to notice either the glaciers themselves or their attendant effects (like, for example, the worldwide drop in sea level that would have turned present day bays into valleys and islands into mountains).

And even were all these impossible things possible, it still doesn't do a frigging thing to explain how mountain in warm-weather regions (like Georgia) are more eroded than mountains in cold-weather regions (like the Canadian Rockies).

So, in conclusion, you keep looking for scientific evidence to back up your claims. You should find it about the same time Jessica Alba calls and offers me a rimjob.
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Hey Mike, how about this for Creationist Bullshit:
They try to refute the radiometric dating techniques by trying to claim that decay ratets were much different in the past. You refute this by showing that we haven't observed such changes in the decay rates over the last hundred years and such changes would have been noticible in that time.

Well this guy I was talking to the other day tried to claim that the decay rates must have dropped sharply around the flood. They've been constant since then. We know this because God can do anything.

Amazing the stuff they try and pull. They can claim any absuridity they want it seems. :roll:
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Cyma wrote:I'm sorry to not have made my point clear Darth Wong, however, would you mind answering some of the questions I asked? If you don't answer them, it makes you appear like you don't know what you are talking about.
Oh, I don't know what I'm talking about if I don't painstakingly school every single fuckwad that comes along? Interesting logic :roll: Would you mind shoving that fallacy up your ass with a rusty pipe cleaner?

I haven't seen a point yet that is either not answered on my site already or is not unspeakably stupid (eg- your claim that Noah could build a 1000-foot long seaworthy wooden boat if he put pitch on it, even though modern shipbuilders say it can't be done even with present-day technology).

But I'll tell you what: if you construct your full dissertation on flood geology and other fundie brain farts instead of expecting me to answer your points piecemeal, I will take it apart for the amusement of the crowd.
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innerbrat wrote:
Cyma wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Why aren't the fossils of modern land-locked animals routinely found deep in the sea bed, even though a catastrophic flood should have easily pushed huge amounts of coastal life into the ocean?
umm...since when do we routinely look at the bottom of oceans for archeological digs??
LOL - this guy hasn't heard of palaeooceanography or the Deep Sea Drilling Project? Doesn't he realise that most palaeontology is conducted in the oceans?
I've heard of palaeooceanography, but not the DSDP, and I didn't know most palaeontology is conducted in the oceans, even though I was a dinosaur freak as a kid and still try to keep up on major events.
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The dumbassness is strong in this one.
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Cyma wrote:This is how the ice age could happen, well, at the moment, it's a bit vague, and I'm looking for some scientific backing, but it goes something like this.

Firt thing I would like to point out is that your theory relies on the assumption that we believe it raind enough water to cover the Earth, instead perhaps, a combination of flooding due to sinking plates, and rain, or something else.

However, as to how an ice age could come about..
water is reflective, in all it's forms. so, therefore, if the entire world was covered with water it would be bouncing the majority of sunlight back out into space, and since the world would be deprived of so much heat for such a long period of time, it would grradually cool down.

Water=mirror
sunlight=heat
earth covered with water= large mirror reflecting the majority of heat away from the Earth.

At the moment I'm looking for cloud and water albedo rates, and then I'm going to run some calculations to see if this theory for an ice age is possible.

I'm sorry to not have made my point clear Darth Wong, however, would you mind answering some of the questions I asked? If you don't answer them, it makes you appear like you don't know what you are talking about.
Gee, so the water reflected all the heat away, so we had the Ice Age? Pray tell, how did the Earth even heat back up? :roll: Last I checked, you would need an incredible amount of heat or lackofthereof to change the temperature of the ocean a few degrees, much less turn all of it into ice...

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I love the "sinking plate" idea. Somehow, the tectonic plates of the Earth are supposed to collapse downward by several kilometres, thrusting quintillions of tons of water upwards without capsizing Noah's little boat, even though we have observed that an insignificant shift in the ocean floor causes monstrous tsunamis which would shred any boat like a collection of toothpicks.
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Hey Cyma, you look good in my sniper rifle's sights! :twisted: :mrgreen:
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This has to be a personal fave of mine
Water=mirror
sunlight=heat
earth covered with water= large mirror reflecting the majority of heat away from the Earth
I'm sorry this is something rudimentry Chemistry should teach you what wrong with that...oh I don't have words for this level of stupidity.
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Umm...doesn't the Bible say that the earth is less than 10,000 yrs old? Last I heard, the most recent Ice Age was 12,000 yrs ago.
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I'm sorry this is something rudimentry Chemistry should teach you what wrong with that...oh I don't have words for this level of stupidity.
Hey, Cyma, if this guy is right, then water should HOLD heat in, not reflect it! Haven't you heard of specific heat, dumbass?
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wait, water is a mirror? last time i checked it was pretty damned transparent and reflects very little of incoming light.
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And not going to even go into his sinking continents :roll:

Why doesn't he just come out and say God did it because there is no other explaination aside from *magic fairies came down and gave Noah an Ark and flooded the land*.
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