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Girl expelled for possession of a butter knife

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A South Carolina high school freshman has been expelled from school for possession of a butter knife.

Amber Dauge was by all accounts a good student at Goose Creek High School. She had joined the Junior ROTC program and was a member of the school's chorus. But she says officials have overreacted to an honest mistake.

"I know I made a really stupid decision, but I don't think I should be expelled for it," Amber told WCIV-TV, the ABC affiliate in Charleston, which first broke the story.

"She was at home making toast and she looked up, saw the clock, and said, "Oh I'm going to be late," her stepfather, Steven Heinz, explained to ABC News' Law & Justice Unit.

"She ran out the door and locked herself out with the butter knife still in her hand."

"Now, she could have rang the doorbell and got us up and left the butter knife at home," Heinz said.

"And she could have dropped the knife on the porch, I guess. And I guess she could have, when she got to school, walked in and turned it in [school officials] … but she left it in her locker and forgot about it."

Heinz said Amber opened her locker a week later, and the butter knife fell out. A fellow student made a wisecrack about the knife that was overheard by a teacher, who reported it to school officials, according to Heinz.

Amber was immediately suspended for five days, pending an expulsion hearing that officials say was mandatory under by the school's "zero tolerance" policy toward weapons or potential weapons.

"To a certain extent, we were understanding when they called us down and said 'We have to put her on this five-day suspension,'" Heinz said. "At first I thought it was just a scare tactic. 'They want to make an impression' is what I was thinking."

Amber "went into the other room and started crying" when the school contacted her parents to notify them of the suspension and impending expulsion hearing, her stepfather said.

Heinz and his wife, Kristi, Amber's mother, took time off work to attend the expulsion hearing on Oct. 18. On one side of the table was Heinz, his wife and Amber. On the other, Heinz said, were two assistant principals and a Berkeley County Schools District hearing officer.

At the hearing, administrators "read through all the stuff and every one of her teachers had good things to say about her," Heinz said.

Teachers described Amber as "a very sweet girl" who is "pleasant" and "respectful," according to documents provided to ABC News by her family.

Asked whether she ever had any discipline problems at school or had a criminal record, Heinz said that she did not.

"She's never a problem," he said. "She's not one of those kids who you have to struggle with to get out of bed and to school. She gets up before we do. She likes school."

Amber's parents assumed that once they explained the situation at the hearing, the matter would be resolved and Amber reinstated as a student, and she would not be expelled, Heinz said.

But "three hours after the hearing, we received a phone call from an assistant principal saying that Amber had been expelled."

Then, the next morning, "we received a letter in the mail, postmarked the 18th [of October] saying that Amber had been expelled," Heinz said. "Now I guess it's possible that someone rushed down to the post office [after the hearing] and got the letter postmarked that same day, but I kind of have the feeling this was a foregone conclusion, that that letter was written before we even walked into the expulsion hearing."

Pam Bailey, spokeswoman for the Berkeley County schools, said that officials had followed proper protocol and that a county hearing officer had affirmed the school's expulsion recommendation for Amber.

"It's not what we would consider to be a traditional butter knife," Bailey told ABC News. "Even though it's blunt on the end, it does have a serrated edge."

Bailey acknowledged Amber's clean disciplinary record — beyond a minor uniform infraction. "Despite the fact that the student was an exceptional student, this has nothing to do with how good she was in the classroom. She was in possession of a knife."

Bailey told ABC News school officials had no reason to believe Amber had any nefarious or violent intent in transporting the butter spreader onto school property.


"Certainly, if it was my child, I would have a different perspective," she said. "But if you're a school administrator, your perspective has to be broader. You have to consider the safety of the entire student population."

But Heinz said the reviews his stepdaughter received from teachers was exemplary.

He said they are considering their options, including the option to appeal the decision to the county. They have yet to pursue any legal action, and they are reluctant to do so, Heinz said.

"We have not researched all our options,'' he said. "We hope that there will be some kind of rational thought."

In the meantime, Amber is, academically speaking, benched for the season.

"They have the option of reinstating her next fall," a frustrated Heinz said, "if they decide they want to."
It has always been my opinion that zero tolerance = zero thought. A quick google search brings up a bunch of recent news articles from kids being expelled for drawing guns, playing variations of cops and robbers pointing their fingers shaping them like guns. Administrations are quick to punish these students often ruining their accademic carreers in the process yet don't do anything about problem students and those likely to go off on a rampage (ie virgina tech).

We laugh at these situations in sitcoms but this is no sitcom and it's not funny.
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Basically it's "Oh no. We can't be bothered to make a mature decision, so we'll institute a simple hard-and-fast rule. Who cares if a few kids are ruined along the way."
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Administrators love zero tolerance because it removes responsibility from them, while maintaining authority. It also gives them the illusion of doing something while manifestly doing nothing of the sort.
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Just another example of how this pervasive culture of fear has completely removed all semblance of rationality.
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I'm somewhat concerned about the girl, talking about how she made a stupid decision about bringing a butter knife to school. She made a mistake sure, but this really really silly. I find myself very hard pressed to lay any blame on her given the magnitude of unreasonableness stacked up against her.

And seeing as this is a zero-tolerance policy against potential weapons that includes butter knives, what about all those heavy maths textbooks students lug to school? I'm pretty sure you could injure or kill someone with one of those just as easy as one could with a butter knife. Having the word 'knife' in the word we use to denote an object does not transfer to it the properties of a functional weapon.

Zero-tolerance policies from everything I've seen tend to be manifestly unjust and hypocritical ways of pretending to do something about a problem while robustly ignoring it, and I'm getting really tired of the tough on crime attitude that seems to spawn it. God forbid our world actually contains a bit of complexity to it, and require some honest thought and nuance to solve our problems.
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"Even though it's blunt, it has a serrated edge?"

That's the typical butter knife right there. It's technically serrated, but holy shit, you can't cut anything with it.

I'm ashamed to say this isn't the worst instance of zero tolerance I've heard of, though. Children have gotten expelled for bringing guns from their 3 3/4" GI Joe figures to school.
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Lisa wrote:It has always been my opinion that zero tolerance = zero thought. A quick google search brings up a bunch of recent news articles from kids being expelled for drawing guns, playing variations of cops and robbers pointing their fingers shaping them like guns.
Yep. Speaking of, here's that ridiculous story:
Second-grader suspended over stick-figure drawing

DENNIS TOWNSHIP, N.J. (AP) – A second-grader’s drawing of a stick figure shooting a gun earned him a one-day school suspension.

Kyle Walker, 7, was suspended last week for violating Dennis Township Primary School’s zero-tolerance policy on guns, the boy’s mother, Shirley McDevitt, told The Press of Atlantic City.

Kyle gave the picture to another child on the school bus, and that child’s parents complained about it to school officials, McDevitt said. Her son told her that the drawing was of a water gun, she said.

A photocopy of the picture provided by McDevitt showed two stick figures with one pointing a crude-looking gun at the other, the newspaper said. What appeared to be the word “me” was written above the shooter, with another name scribbled above the other figure.

School officials declined to comment Friday. A message left at the superintendent’s office Saturday was not returned.

Kyle drew other pictures, including a skateboarder, King Tut, a ghost, a tree and a Cyclops, the newspaper reported.
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Gaaaaah! the stupid! It Burrrrns!

Seven-year-old boy likes to draw guns, skateboarding and monsters? STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES, and expel the little bastard before he uses his super soaker to shoot some second-graders-

-with water.

Aren't these people aware that the more you restrict something, (especially something that is by nature unrestrictable, or at least difficult to control,) you at the very least create curiosity about whatever it is, at most, it becomes the new "in thing" to do.

It's called logic. One would think it rather applicable to education.
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Hell, until 7th grade, I drew tanks and assault rifles when I got bored. Terrible sketches that most people would laugh at, but tanks and guns nonetheless.

If drawing a stick figure with a pistol was bad enough to land him a suspension, imagine hundreds of doodlings of tanks and fantasy rifles.
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In 8th grade I had to right an essay on whatever I wanted to...so I wrote about the basic operation of the M16/AR15... I was and somewhat still am a gun nut and that's all I could think of to write.

I guess I got out just in time...
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Commander 598 wrote:In 8th grade I had to right an essay on whatever I wanted to...so I wrote about the basic operation of the M16/AR15... I was and somewhat still am a gun nut and that's all I could think of to write.

I guess I got out just in time...
When I was in high school I took some animation class. I wound up making a stick figure being vivisected by a laser and weirded out the teacher. I suppose it's a good thing we didn't have zero tolerance laws back then.
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I would like to see a zero tolerance law about zero tolerance policies in schools.
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Commander 598 wrote:In 8th grade I had to right an essay on whatever I wanted to...so I wrote about the basic operation of the M16/AR15... I was and somewhat still am a gun nut and that's all I could think of to write.

I guess I got out just in time...
In my high school speech class, I gave 2 gun related speeches.
One was on gun control, to convince against. I got an A- on that one. :D
The second one was on gun safety, and I brought in (with permission from the teacher) a Daisy Power Line air rifle as a demonstrator.

I imagine these days, I'd be hearing from the police. :roll:

And that'd be 'write', not 'right' an essay. :P
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OK this is just nuts, a butter knife for crying out loud? I carried a swiss army knife when I was in elementary school. Come to think of it, I have always carried a knife, its a good tool.
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Dare I inquire as to what in the nine bloody hells these people are smoking? At my school, we have a similar policy, under which a good friend of mine was almost suspended for three days for wearing a chain on his pants. No an overly large emo chain thing, but a chain that held a pocketwatch. Luckily, his parents were able to appeal to the few sane people who are in our administration, and the suspension was avoided.

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*remembers when I used to be able to bring a leatherman to high school every day...
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:*remembers when I used to be able to bring a leatherman to high school every day...
Heh, I use to bring hacksaws, a panel saw, stanley knives, mini-drill, assorted screwdrivers, soldering iron, pointy test probes...
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yeah, those were the days.
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I had a friend who got expelled for accidentally brining a swiss army knife to school, realizing he had done it, and turned it in at the office so he wouldn't get in trouble.
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Flagg wrote:I had a friend who got expelled for accidentally brining a swiss army knife to school, realizing he had done it, and turned it in at the office so he wouldn't get in trouble.
You know a policy if fucked up when it discourages responsible behaviour. It's akin to having a law that says holding another person's money is an automatic felony, in which case you go to jail for returning a lost wallet.
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DPDarkPrimus wrote:"Even though it's blunt, it has a serrated edge?"

That's the typical butter knife right there. It's technically serrated, but holy shit, you can't cut anything with it.

I'm ashamed to say this isn't the worst instance of zero tolerance I've heard of, though. Children have gotten expelled for bringing guns from their 3 3/4" GI Joe figures to school.
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Bailey acknowledged Amber's clean disciplinary record — beyond a minor uniform infraction. "Despite the fact that the student was an exceptional student, this has nothing to do with how good she was in the classroom. She was in possession of a knife."
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Wait, what?

Shit, I draw soldiers, robots with guns, half naked girls with guns, and all sorts of explosions and such in my notebooks all the damn time, luckily, my school is not filled with retards.

If I were in any other school, I would be fucked!

That being said, why isnt there some kind of logic committee around, that hears this kind of shit on the news, and presses charges against the idiots for stupidity?
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Quick check to see what state this is in...

Ah yes, South Carolina. Home of the Secession, lovely place :roll:

So, she joins JROTC, which is, y'know, a military-related program, and she gets expelled about a butter knife?

So where's the part when the local recruiters come flocking to her?
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What use is the zero tolerance policy, if the people who actually do intend to use them (be it knives or guns), will be expelled or sent to jail for their actions in the first place? The people who do commit such crimes in school typically don't give a fuck about being expelled if they're going to do prison time, or juvie time.

I can bring a harmless popsicle stick to school, grind the tip down to a sharp point on the concrete, knot it together with another popsicle stick using rubberbands, and the end result would be a ghetto wooden switch blade that can go straight through a watermelon with a light stabbing motion.
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SpacedTeddyBear wrote:I can bring a harmless popsicle stick to school, grind the tip down to a sharp point on the concrete, knot it together with another popsicle stick using rubberbands, and the end result would be a ghetto wooden switch blade that can go straight through a watermelon with a light stabbing motion.
Or you could just take a pencil and a pencil sharpener, sharpen the pencil to a fine point, and use it to dig someone's eyes out. Any object people are able and willing to use as a weapon is itself a weapon. A kid wearing normal tennis shoes and strong legs with the intent to kick someone as hard as possible is more dangerous than a kid with a hunting knife left in the bag by accident. In this particular case we are talking about a piece of cutlery that's about as dangerous as a metal ruler.
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