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October 27, 2007
‘Miracle’ fuel that made a mockery of Mugabe

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When Nomatter Tagarira, a spirit medium, claimed that she could conjure refined diesel out of a rock by striking it with her staff, ministers in Robert Mugabe’s Government believed that they might have found the solution to Zimbabwe’s perennial fuel shortage.

After witnessing her apparently miraculous gift they gave her five billion Zimbabwean dollars in cash (worth £1.7 million at the start of the year but now worth one seven-hundredth of that) in return for the fuel. Ms Tagarira was also given a farm, said to have been seized from its white owner during Mr Mugabe’s lawless land grab, as well as food and services that included a round-the-clock armed guard on the rock in the district of Chinhoyi 60 miles (100km) from Harare, the capital.

More than a year later officials realised they had been duped. Ms Tagarira is now in custody, awaiting trial on charges of fraud or, alternatively, of being “a criminal nuisance”. Details from court papers published this week said that over 15 months, until July this year, Ms Tagarira convinced Cabinet ministers, ruling party heavy-weights and top army and police officers that by striking the rock with her staff she could produce enough fuel to supply the country for 100 years.

The legal firm representing her told The Times that she had been refused bail and no trial date had been set yet.

“It’s an outlandish story but the people in government who believed this are the same ones who believe that Mugabe’s official policy of printing money will end inflation,” said an economist, who requested anonymity.

After 27 years of economic misrule, what was once one of Africa’s most prosperous countries is in a nightmare of hyperinflation, famine and infra-structural collapse.

According to the police docket at the court, Ms Tagarira, 35, discovered a large bowser of diesel last year, suspected to have been abandoned in the hills of Chinhoyi during the country’s civil war in the 1970s.

She laid pipes from the bowser to a point at the bottom of the hill. Whenever she assembled an audience, she would strike a rock and an assistant at the top of the hill would open the tap and lo, fuel would pour out. The bowser eventually ran dry but that didn’t stop Ms Tagarira. “They would buy diesel from lorry drivers and keep it in the pipe on the pretext it was coming from a rock,” the docket said.

By June the Government had decided the claims were plausible enough to warrant an official investigation. However, where a single geologist would have sufficed, they dispatched a large “task force” of politicians and members of the security forces, led by the deputy commissioner of police.

The task force duly reported to Mr Mugabe’s politburo, the most powerful body in the country, that the liquid appearing at the rock had been siphoned into lorries and that they had driven off without problem.

However, it was when a second “task force” of ministers was sent by the politburo a month later that Ms Tagarira’s ruse ended. She “failed to prove the existence of the fuel”, it said. She disappeared and was arrested this month. “It is not the woman who ought to be arrested, it is the idiots who authorised this criminal waste of public money,” said a lawyer, asking not to be named.
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She seems to have screwed up the 'take the money and run' part of an otherwise brilliant scam.
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Looks like someone just took a page out of Exodus...
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Man, I find it hard to believe that people can believe in this. We live in a rational world, where rocks are rocks and sticks are sticks. So why were Mugabe's ministers tricked by this charlatan? I guess he might have been able to overthrow a government, but he can't run one.
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Vehrec wrote:Man, I find it hard to believe that people can believe in this. We live in a rational world, where rocks are rocks and sticks are sticks.
And where a sitting President of the most powerful country in the world can say with a perfectly straight face that God told him to invade Iraq.
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Vehrec wrote:"We are building a religion, we are building a brand. . ."

Man, I find it hard to believe that people can believe in this. We live in a rational world, where rocks are rocks and sticks are sticks. So why were Mugabe's ministers tricked by this charlatan? I guess he might have been able to overthrow a government, but he can't run one.
Africans, particularly the less educated (which constitute a majority), are pretty superstitious. So it wouldn't be too surprising such things would remotely even happen.
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I'm not sure which is stupider. Mugabe for believing her or the woman for not getting the fuck out of that country as soon as she bilked them for their money.
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:wtf: I have no words to express how the this story surprised me regarding the level of stupidity some people are capable of. No words.
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Vehrec wrote:Man, I find it hard to believe that people can believe in this. We live in a rational world, where rocks are rocks and sticks are sticks.
And where a sitting President of the most powerful country in the world can say with a perfectly straight face that God told him to invade Iraq.
Only ethnocentricism and hypocrisy lets smug Westerners dismiss and mock "spirit mediums" on one hand and then attend Mass or Worship on the other. Fuck, fundies literally believe their sky-pixie conjured up crude oil and natural gas ex nihilo ostensibly solely for our exploitation since the selfsame fundamentalists believe in a young-Earth (~10,000 years) and predestination. Therefore, crude oil and natural gas cannot have come from hundreds-of-millions-of-years-old microorganisms which were transformed by geology into petrochemicals, but we were blessed with them by Jesus. And if faith healing is credible, why not praying for just more of the same oil. This is right out of the playbook of at least 40% of Americans and will shortly become as socioeconomically relevant a delusion as Zimbabwe's: and it is exactly the same as this Mugabe drivel.
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Starglider wrote:She seems to have screwed up the 'take the money and run' part of an otherwise brilliant scam.
Well it's entirely possible it wasn't a deliberate scam. She could have genuinely believed she had supernatural powers and the line to the rock was just "enhancing" them or some crap. It's easier to swallow than a woman who planned out a gargantuan scam and failed to plan an escape route.

Either that, or it was corruption and she was a pawn. The full article lists two groups, the first a local group of officials then the higher ups. The locals could have hired the woman to be a front to sex over the higher officials.
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At this point, the peak oil thing is getting really old, really fast. Yes Yes we are all doomed, yes yes the west is hyprocratical? What is posting that on an internet forum going to do? If you are so damn afraid of peak oil, why don't you get ready, and move to a commune out in the applications somewhere? If you put half the effort into saying "RAR NO MOAR OIL! ALL IS DOOMED" into your own life, you should be set for the peak. Right now it seems you are worse than rapture ready, and at least Peak Oil is somewhat of a known reality.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote: Fuck, fundies literally believe their sky-pixie conjured up crude oil and natural gas ex nihilo ostensibly solely for our exploitation since the selfsame fundamentalists believe in a young-Earth (~10,000 years) and predestination. Therefore, crude oil and natural gas cannot have come from hundreds-of-millions-of-years-old microorganisms which were transformed by geology into petrochemicals, but we were blessed with them by Jesus. And if faith healing is credible, why not praying for just more of the same oil.
Well, the sky-pixie and Jesus didn't bless enough of the rocks in North America apparently. Or at least provide us with one magical rock that can churn out an infinite amount of oil...... but alas. It appears that such a feat is beyond the powers of the all-mighty pixie.
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Redleader34 wrote:At this point, the peak oil thing is getting really old, really fast. Yes Yes we are all doomed, yes yes the west is hyprocratical? What is posting that on an internet forum going to do? If you are so damn afraid of peak oil, why don't you get ready, and move to a commune out in the applications somewhere? If you put half the effort into saying "RAR NO MOAR OIL! ALL IS DOOMED" into your own life, you should be set for the peak. Right now it seems you are worse than rapture ready, and at least Peak Oil is somewhat of a known reality.
Did I say we were all doomed? Did I say anything like that? No. Fact is, why mock Zimbabwe for this? Because they're experiencing economic woes in part linked to soaring fuel costs? Because their leaders believe in irrational magic drivel in order to ameliorate it? Yes. Well then the comparison is completely appropriate; the Zimbabwean story is economically linked intrinsically to the price climate of liquid fuel and this is not something that's going to go away: we know this. Furthermore, they're not uniquely irrational or stupid, so Americans shouldn't hold their noses up in contempt when they can't elect leaders who don't think the same way.

As for the rest, learn to spell, get a real education, and why don't you take your own advice and get off an internet forum. Otherwise, shut the fuck up, kiddie. What IS the appropriate response to an ethnocentric screed mocking a Third World country? Huh, bitch? The ONLY THING that separates Shep and his ilk from your average Zimbabwean is he was born white and Roman Catholic and in a First World superpower. Nothing else draws a distinction between the disparate outcomes; yet that is apparently sufficient basis to cast judgment.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:No. Fact is, why mock Zimbabwe for this? Because they're experiencing economic woes in part linked to soaring fuel costs? Because their leaders believe in irrational magic drivel in order to ameliorate it? Yes. Well then the comparison is completely appropriate; the Zimbabwean story is economically linked intrinsically to the price climate of liquid fuel and this is not something that's going to go away: we know this.
No it's not. Zimbawawe isn't collapsing because of the price of oil is going up.

It's collapsing because the entire regime is run by a psychopathic madman (hint, there's a reason his nickname is "Mad Bob") who gets a free pass from everyone in the area, because he stood against the evil Whiteys back when Zimbawawe was called Rhodesia.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:No. Fact is, why mock Zimbabwe for this? Because they're experiencing economic woes in part linked to soaring fuel costs? Because their leaders believe in irrational magic drivel in order to ameliorate it? Yes. Well then the comparison is completely appropriate; the Zimbabwean story is economically linked intrinsically to the price climate of liquid fuel and this is not something that's going to go away: we know this.
No it's not. Zimbawawe isn't collapsing because of the price of oil is going up.

It's collapsing because the entire regime is run by a psychopathic madman (hint, there's a reason his nickname is "Mad Bob") who gets a free pass from everyone in the area, because he stood against the evil Whiteys back when Zimbawawe was called Rhodesia.
Yes, I know. You trot this sophisticated economic analysis from as the resident blue-collar ex-con everytime anyone brings up Mugabe. I never said he isn't fucked up. But the idea that somehow Americans elect their leaders on any less of a stupid populist process with less superstitious idiots is beneath contempt. Mugabe is less qualified, but its nothing intrinsic to their democracy as opposed to ours, we're just richer and started out with fewer problems.

Furthermore, ever heard of multiple-variable equations? Maybe state-wide economic situations must be summed up with more complex causation than can be summarized in one sentence and within the comprehension of some random military-obsessed blue collar ex-con? Mad Bob's administration has sucked shit for well over a decade, but it started snowballing only recently as the market fuel prices exceeded their ability to keep buying; this is the untold economic story of the Third World.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:But the idea that somehow Americans elect their leaders on any less of a stupid populist process with less superstitious idiots is beneath contempt.
I don't recall any American politican promising that if he was elected, the Dead Would Rise From Their Graves. That's an actual campaign promise from an African country in the 1960s; when the first spurts of de-colonization began. I can't remember which exact country it was said in.
Mad Bob's administration has sucked shit for well over a decade, but it started snowballing only recently as the market fuel prices exceeded their ability to keep buying; this is the untold economic story of the Third World.
Nah. It's what happens when you try to run an economy by crazy decrees and robbing peter to pay paul (literally). Eventually, there's no more slack in the system and people that you can shake down to generate cash inflow; and the entire system just grinds to a halt.

I'd imagine the fact that inflation has reached absurd amounts in the place is far more lethal than oil going up in price.

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How bad is inflation in Zimbabwe? Well, consider this: at a supermarket near the center of this tatterdemalion capital, toilet paper costs $417.

No, not per roll. Four hundred seventeen Zimbabwean dollars is the value of a single two-ply sheet. A roll costs $145,750 — in American currency, about 69 cents.
If it costs $417 Zim Dollars to get a single sheet of TP; how will anyone but the government and military be able to afford gasoline?
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Did I say we were all doomed? Did I say anything like that? No. Fact is, why mock Zimbabwe for this? Because they're experiencing economic woes in part linked to soaring fuel costs? Because their leaders believe in irrational magic drivel in order to ameliorate it? Yes. Well then the comparison is completely appropriate; the Zimbabwean story is economically linked intrinsically to the price climate of liquid fuel and this is not something that's going to go away: we know this. Furthermore, they're not uniquely irrational or stupid, so Americans shouldn't hold their noses up in contempt when they can't elect leaders who don't think the same way.

As for the rest, learn to spell, get a real education, and why don't you take your own advice and get off an internet forum. Otherwise, shut the fuck up, kiddie. What IS the appropriate response to an ethnocentric screed mocking a Third World country? Huh, bitch? The ONLY THING that separates Shep and his ilk from your average Zimbabwean is he was born white and Roman Catholic and in a First World superpower. Nothing else draws a distinction between the disparate outcomes; yet that is apparently sufficient basis to cast judgment.
IP, you are at most 4 years older than me, and you are calling me than a kiddie? I mock Zimbabwe as well, and I have relatives who are second generation from Africa(Grandfather immigrated from Africa during Amin's reign of terror, but enough about me) Getting a real education? I'm in the middle of my last year of High School, just catching up on some internets, and what nots. Honestly, Africa is shit. As much as I love the motherland, its all shit. Leaders have less education than the worst of the public schools around New York, Tribal Leaders treating AIDS like some sort of bizarre sicness, the list goes on, but I digress. The Main point I say is That in these threads, which you and the "Peak Oil Gang" so gloriusly are, manage to hijack almost every other thread with peak oil.

You make it seem that Peak Oil will kill us all, rape our children, end earth, make us be doomed and loose all our advanced technology. Every time someone tries to have some sort of home you just say "Well we are all doomed" like you did to bounty. I have been quiet about this, but you peak oil wankers are some of the cancer that is killing the internet in general. College kiddies, who find a cause, and pollute the general internet with the "OMG BUSH/PEAK OIL/GLOBAL WARMING/UN/ANTICHRIST/LIBERTANINS/JEWS/MEDIA/HOMOSEXUALS/" is going to hurt us. Its almost as bad as some of the trolls on Slashdot,but not as bad. Also, I used the argument "Get off the internet", because you are the one saying Peak oil is a grave human threat. Jut spitting back my own insult is useless, if you don't understand what the meaning of it is. I hold my nose in contempt, because the leaders of Africa can at least get tutors from forgen countries to help them. Hell,, That's what this UN is for? Also, I am going to call this now, Paternalism Ahoy!
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So, rather than refute or disprove anything that anyone has ever said on the subject, you simply declare that everyone who talks about Peak Oil are a "cancer" and that whatever they're saying is "bad".

Either back up what you're saying or shut the fuck up, moron. At least when Sikon argues about Peak Oil, he tries to marshall arguments and facts. You are just spewing hot air, and (incidentally) ignoring the rules of this forum.
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Did I say we were all doomed? Did I say anything like that? No. Fact is, why mock Zimbabwe for this? Because they're experiencing economic woes in part linked to soaring fuel costs? Because their leaders believe in irrational magic drivel in order to ameliorate it? Yes. Well then the comparison is completely appropriate; the Zimbabwean story is economically linked intrinsically to the price climate of liquid fuel and this is not something that's going to go away: we know this. Furthermore, they're not uniquely irrational or stupid, so Americans shouldn't hold their noses up in contempt when they can't elect leaders who don't think the same way.
But when Bush says that God told him to invade Iraq, that's newsworthy, right? Whenever people start praying for oil, that'll be newsworthy too. So this is also newsworthy, as long as we mock 1st world superstitions in the same manner (which seems to happen here a lot).
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General Zod wrote:I'm not sure which is stupider. Mugabe for believing her or the woman for not getting the fuck out of that country as soon as she bilked them for their money.
Exactly my thought. It takes quite a bit of stupid to buy a magic rock, but it takes a hell of a lot more to stick around after you have sold it!
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Redleader34 wrote:IP, you are at most 4 years older than me, and you are calling me than a kiddie?
Yes I am. Have you ever held a job? Supported yourself in the slightest? Are the grades you're earning and people you're meeting directly effect where your life is going to go career-wise? Have you had a secure, long-term relationship that very probably could lead to marriage? Sorry bub, there's a hell of a difference between 17 and 21.
Redleader34 wrote:I mock Zimbabwe as well, and I have relatives who are second generation from Africa(Grandfather immigrated from Africa during Amin's reign of terror, but enough about me)
Who gives a fuck? Am I supposed to cry over this bullshit? I'm making fun of your youth, lack of perspective, and lack of education because no one my age who has been called to task by university professors and discussed degree prospects with department heads, research, et al would spew the drivel you did and delude it was an argument. Sometimes guys like Crown, Vympel, Stravo, etc. would get hot-headed in an argument, but I have yet and will yet to see them go head-first into a purely personal bitchfest and think they were in the right. Only a kiddie like you would think so.
Redleader34 wrote:Getting a real education? I'm in the middle of my last year of High School, just catching up on some internets, and what nots. Honestly, Africa is shit. As much as I love the motherland, its all shit. Leaders have less education than the worst of the public schools around New York, Tribal Leaders treating AIDS like some sort of bizarre sicness, the list goes on, but I digress.
Thank you for your patented high school analysis from reading Popular Science? I regularly attend seminars by visiting scholars and authors - internationally renown - on matters of political science, development, and sustainability. Also, I attend on-campus seminars and projects such as the one I attended last month by a professor working in water resources engineering regarding sustainable water resources engineering, consulting and employing engineers, physicists, and economists in the program. What scholarly and respectable venues of real science and real stuff have you attended lately? What've you been exposed to? That's right, Google. My bad.
Redleader34 wrote:The Main point I say is That in these threads, which you and the "Peak Oil Gang" so gloriusly are, manage to hijack almost every other thread with peak oil.
Hijack implies that it is irrelevant. You've provided no argumentation to to refute me, despite the fact I have made claims to that effect.

So provide proof or retract.
Redleader34 wrote:You make it seem that Peak Oil will kill us all, rape our children, end earth, make us be doomed and loose all our advanced technology. Every time someone tries to have some sort of home you just say "Well we are all doomed" like you did to bounty. I have been quiet about this, but you peak oil wankers are some of the cancer that is killing the internet in general. College kiddies, who find a cause, and pollute the general internet with the "OMG BUSH/PEAK OIL/GLOBAL WARMING/UN/ANTICHRIST/LIBERTANINS/JEWS/MEDIA/HOMOSEXUALS/" is going to hurt us. Its almost as bad as some of the trolls on Slashdot,but not as bad. Also, I used the argument "Get off the internet", because you are the one saying Peak oil is a grave human threat. Jut spitting back my own insult is useless, if you don't understand what the meaning of it is. I hold my nose in contempt, because the leaders of Africa can at least get tutors from forgen countries to help them. Hell,, That's what this UN is for? Also, I am going to call this now, Paternalism Ahoy!
I don't even know what this screed is, but its obvious YOU are the Internet kiddie with a good case of projection. When I talk about pollyannas and cornicopians, I'm talking about real economists and such which I have personally seen speak and give lectures but fail to account for essential data regarding the topic. That's the perspective I come from. Your "experience" on ANY topic is reading Slashdot. You're a fucking high school kid. This really speaks for itself. Furthermore, a volatile price climate effecting the Third World is hardly debatable, regardless of its cause. Here in the U.S., Administration officials have been QUOTED on this very N&P forum as saying that prices are TOO high. Therefore, I have all the premises necessary to make my criticism valid.

You have nothing except wanting to silence opposition views. Fuck yourself.
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they're not uniquely irrational or stupid, so Americans shouldn't hold their noses up in contempt when they can't elect leaders who don't think the same way.
But when Bush says that God told him to invade Iraq, that's newsworthy, right?
They're both equally newsworthy. The problem is that a lot of people in America look at a story like this and say "ha ha, stupid backward superstitious Africans" without realizing that they're no better. Go out in the street and ask Americans what they think of this story, and you'll get a lot of laughs, mockery, comments about how they're obviously stupid, etc. Now try laughing and mocking Christianity and saying how only a stupid person could believe in it, and watch their faces.
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Deer Mr. Magube

I am a representive of Oakland's Black Muslim bakery, due to religious persecuttion here in the united states I need your help in getting a substanshal sums of moneys out of The United States, I shall send you a portion of our vast treasures, as soon as you transfer the finance chages I shall send the reast of the hoard to you.



/nigerian scam artist impersenation


so what do you think the chances of that working are.
and does anyone not from California get the joke about the Black Muslim Bakery an actual business whose under investigation for murder, tax fraud, embezzelment, and racketeering here in California
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