Glocksman wrote:Perhaps ironically, voter ID requirements are a hot button issue here in the US.
Until my state (Indiana) adopted an ID requirement, all you had to do was sign the register at the polling place.
No ID checks were required.
Wow. I've always had to flash my ID. (Here in Schwarzeneggerland.)
Here in Michigan, you only need to show your I.D. once, which is the first time you vote, then never again even if you move as you are always on the register.
I have no clue how they keep it straight, though there was an incident where a Hindu women refused to remove her veil to vote and acted as if it were the end of the world to remove it, the last time I voted.
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Glocksman wrote:Perhaps ironically, voter ID requirements are a hot button issue here in the US.
Until my state (Indiana) adopted an ID requirement, all you had to do was sign the register at the polling place.
No ID checks were required.
It's interesting to know that Canada requires* you to show ID at the polls.
*I could be wrong, but this is what the OP implies.
As Ma Deuce has said you have to show ID, you also have to bring along your voter registration card that you get in the mail or a bill with your name and address on it. Personally I don't see why the heck not, helps curb voting fraud.
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Cpl Kendall wrote:Personally I don't see why the heck not, helps curb voting fraud.
Apparently the reason 'why not,' is supposed to be that there's a risk someone might have their precious feelings hurt.
Don't be stupid. There's a historical reason why voter ID requirements are a touchy issue in the US -- voter ID requirements were used for a very long time in the US to attempt to disenfranchise Black voters, along with so-called "literacy tests".
Cpl Kendall wrote:Personally I don't see why the heck not, helps curb voting fraud.
Apparently the reason 'why not,' is supposed to be that there's a risk someone might have their precious feelings hurt.
Don't be stupid. There's a historical reason why voter ID requirements are a touchy issue in the US -- voter ID requirements were used for a very long time in the US to attempt to disenfranchise Black voters, along with so-called "literacy tests".
I know about literacy tests, poll taxes, and the sundry other methods used to prevent blacks from voting, but this is the first I've heard about voter ID laws being used to do so.
More information please.
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Glocksman wrote:I know about literacy tests, poll taxes, and the sundry other methods used to prevent blacks from voting, but this is the first I've heard about voter ID laws being used to do so.
It's a more recent phenomena than the literacy tests of old.
“The study confirms that voter ID requirements keep more minority than white voters away from the polls,” said Maxine Nelson, President of Project Vote, a national nonpartisan organization that supports voter registration and voter education programs “When you think about the many close races in the past two elections cycles, this documented disparity raises profound questions about the legitimacy of our democratic system.”
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While proponents of restrictive voter ID requirements argue that they are needed to combat voter fraud, there is no evidence that the type of fraud that these requirements address – voters who misrepresent their identity – is anything but an anomaly.
An article from Demos.org last year discusses Boston's voter ID laws:
An extensive analysis of election fraud conducted by Professor Lorraine Minnite at Barnard College in 2002--the only study of its kind, to date--found that voter fraud is rare and that safeguards to prevent fraud are already in place.
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"Furthermore, research shows that requiring a drivers' license or other photo ID to vote would have a particularly discriminatory impact in Boston, where many people do not own cars and may not have a drivers' license. U.S. Census data show that 33 percent of households in Boston own no vehicle. These rates are even higher among minority households in Boston than among white households
The Supreme Court is scheduled to hear an Indiana case on this subject early this coming year.
Now, in all honesty, I'd like to see a simple and easy national ID program (paid for by taxes rather than fees, which are effectively flat taxes) that would nip this in the bud entirely. But you'll never see the folks clamoring for voter ID laws clamoring for national IDs.
Cpl Kendall wrote:Personally I don't see why the heck not, helps curb voting fraud.
Apparently the reason 'why not,' is supposed to be that there's a risk someone might have their precious feelings hurt.
Don't be stupid. There's a historical reason why voter ID requirements are a touchy issue in the US -- voter ID requirements were used for a very long time in the US to attempt to disenfranchise Black voters, along with so-called "literacy tests".
Presenting ID to establish that you are who you claim to be, the person on the registration roll <> literacy tests, or any of the other evil malignant shit done to prevent enfranchised people, from exercising their right to vote.
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Kanastrous wrote:Presenting ID to establish that you are who you claim to be, the person on the registration roll <> literacy tests, or any of the other evil malignant shit done to prevent enfranchised people, from exercising their right to vote.
You know, I'm not going to bother arguing this point with you if you're not even going to read my fucking posts. I just put up evidence that demonstrates that voter ID requirements are being introduced despite a) voter fraud of this kind being a total non-issue and b) that it disproportionately affects poor and black voters. What else do you want to call that except a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise voters? Or do you need me to pull up some crayon-scrawled super-duper-secret Republican memo explicitly saying as such for you to buy that?
You want to deal with voter fraud, try dealing with the defrauding of the voters (i.e. this shit, Diebold, etc, etc).
Kanastrous wrote:Presenting ID to establish that you are who you claim to be, the person on the registration roll <> literacy tests, or any of the other evil malignant shit done to prevent enfranchised people, from exercising their right to vote.
You know, I'm not going to bother arguing this point with you if you're not even going to read my fucking posts. I just put up evidence that demonstrates that voter ID requirements are being introduced despite a) voter fraud of this kind being a total non-issue and b) that it disproportionately affects poor and black voters. What else do you want to call that except a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise voters? Or do you need me to pull up some crayon-scrawled super-duper-secret Republican memo explicitly saying as such for you to buy that?
You want to deal with voter fraud, try dealing with the defrauding of the voters (i.e. this shit, Diebold, etc, etc).
I think we hit "submit" simultaneously, since your sources weren't up when I posted my response (see the time-stamps...)
Seeing them now, of course I'll check them out.
I find myself endlessly fascinated by your career - Stark, in a fit of Nerd-Validation, November 3, 2011
