Redleader34 wrote: You make it seem that Peak Oil will kill us all, rape our children, end earth, make us be doomed and loose all our advanced technology. Every time someone tries to have some sort of home you just say "Well we are all doomed" like you did to bounty. I have been quiet about this, but you peak oil wankers are some of the cancer that is killing the internet in general. College kiddies, who find a cause, and pollute the general internet with the "OMG BUSH/PEAK OIL/GLOBAL WARMING/UN/ANTICHRIST/LIBERTANINS/JEWS/MEDIA/HOMOSEXUALS/" is going to hurt us.
Hint for the clueless. There are currently no comprehensive plans to mitigate the effects of peak oil. Furthermore, the 1st world continues to behave as if peak oil is generations in the future. There is no Plan B for what happens if, or should I say when oil runs low and become unaffordable. What we do have is the ethanol delusion and the hydrogen delusion, as if they'll somehow scale up and magically replace oil. Figuratively speaking, we're in a car that's headed for a cliff, and instead of stepping on the brakes we're mashing the gas pedal to the floor in hopes that the car will grow wings and fly.
Oh. BTW, I'm not a college kiddie. I work for my country and play a small part in helping to research & shape government policy, specifically, energy, which is why I was at the ASPO Conference earlier this month. In other words, stick it up your ass and shove it.
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Ooh. How was the conference, J? Were the amenities comfortable? Anything new from the keynote speakers we're all familiar with? Any new studies presented?
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Depressing, yet there are some bright spots on a local level. There was way too much info to digest and I'm still sorting things out and preparing my own summary & reports for my work. The interesting news is that awareness is starting to seep in a bit, and mitigation efforts are starting to take place on a community to city level in North America, and some companies are starting to "get it".
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J wrote:Depressing, yet there are some bright spots on a local level. There was way too much info to digest and I'm still sorting things out and preparing my own summary & reports for my work. The interesting news is that awareness is starting to seep in a bit, and mitigation efforts are starting to take place on a community to city level in North America, and some companies are starting to "get it".
Are the right companies "getting it" or dragging their feet? Personally, a lot of equipment these days could really do with a efficiency oriented redesign for starters.
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J wrote:Oh. BTW, I'm not a college kiddie. I work for my country and play a small part in helping to research & shape government policy, specifically, energy, which is why I was at the ASPO Conference earlier this month. In other words, stick it up your ass and shove it.
So you went to the Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas conference -- of which anyone can get in by paying the registration price, and then act like that makes you a policymaker? By that standard, I'm a policymaker for the military, since I once attended an AUSA annual conference here in DC many years ago.
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J wrote:Depressing, yet there are some bright spots on a local level. There was way too much info to digest and I'm still sorting things out and preparing my own summary & reports for my work. The interesting news is that awareness is starting to seep in a bit, and mitigation efforts are starting to take place on a community to city level in North America, and some companies are starting to "get it".
Any illumination as to the activist communities and businesses? I'm going to be looking for work and a place to live in the future.
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MKSheppard wrote:So you went to the Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas conference -- of which anyone can get in by paying the registration price, and then act like that makes you a policymaker? By that standard, I'm a policymaker for the military, since I once attended an AUSA annual conference here in DC many years ago.
A hint for you since I'm feeling generous today. I work for DFAIT, and I was flown to the conference on the taxpayer's dime as one of the official representatives for my country's government. I, along with the others, were there to gather the information needed to guide my country's policies.
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Any illumination as to the activist communities and businesses? I'm going to be looking for work and a place to live in the future.
Houston. They have big plans for rail and they've made surprising progress in energy conservation. They also have plans in the works for renewable power and a move towards electric cars.
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I found an article on the Your Black Muslim Bakery on Wikipedia.
The Yosemite Bear wrote:/nigerian scam artist impersenation
so what do you think the chances of that working are.
If Mugabe has internet access, he might find the article and realize the bakery in question is bankrupt, and the people running it are accused of kidnapping for ransom, fraud, and other crimes committed by people who need money. If you're lucky, and Mugabe does NOT have internet access, it might work-- the jackasses who ran the bakery took out a $1.1 million loan from the City of Oakland, after all, although it seems they spent it on drugs and fancy cars instead of something practical.
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
J wrote:Oh. BTW, I'm not a college kiddie. I work for my country and play a small part in helping to research & shape government policy, specifically, energy, which is why I was at the ASPO Conference earlier this month. In other words, stick it up your ass and shove it.
So you went to the Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas conference -- of which anyone can get in by paying the registration price, and then act like that makes you a policymaker? By that standard, I'm a policymaker for the military, since I once attended an AUSA annual conference here in DC many years ago.
She didn't say going to the ASPO conference made her a policymaker, nor did she claim to be a major policymaker. She was stating she went in service to her professional position, not as a private citizen. And working for the government in energy and being sent to ASPO does make you legit.
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J wrote:A hint for you since I'm feeling generous today. I work for DFAIT, and I was flown to the conference on the taxpayer's dime as one of the official representatives for my country's government. I, along with the others, were there to gather the information needed to guide my country's policies.
So you're Canadian? Interesting. What is your government doing about the upcoming energy crisis?
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
J wrote:A hint for you since I'm feeling generous today. I work for DFAIT, and I was flown to the conference on the taxpayer's dime as one of the official representatives for my country's government. I, along with the others, were there to gather the information needed to guide my country's policies.
So you're Canadian? Interesting. What is your government doing about the upcoming energy crisis?
Probably among the things they are trying to do is stop the Russians from taking over the N. Pole Carte Blanche.
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Serious answer? Not bloody much at the moment thanks to Stephen Harper and his cocksucking cronies.
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You know, maybe we should all adopt the Amish lifestyle. Let's face it, they're probably the only people in the the First World whose lives won't be seriously disrupted by an oil shortage. Them and some of those survivalist nuts who live out in the boonies.
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You know, maybe we should all adopt the Amish lifestyle. Let's face it, they're probably the only people in the the First World whose lives won't be seriously disrupted by an oil shortage. Them and some of those survivalist nuts who live out in the boonies.
Until unfriendly people come to steal their food and land, knowing about their extreme pacifism. Then they starve to death.
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The_Last_Rebel wrote:You know, maybe we should all adopt the Amish lifestyle. Let's face it, they're probably the only people in the the First World whose lives won't be seriously disrupted by an oil shortage. Them and some of those survivalist nuts who live out in the boonies.
Tens to a hundred million people would die from sustained famine and resultant starvation. Traditional agriculture's marginal yields per unit land area are not large enough for modern industrial populations.
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I didn't say you couldn't have a well-armed Amish-type society. This is America, where we have more gun owners than most countries have soldiers (separate nations, that is)!
Tens to a hundred million people would die from sustained famine and resultant starvation. Traditional agriculture's marginal yields per unit land area are not large enough for modern industrial populations.
I wasn't being entirely serious, but yeah, it would be pretty rough. But going by all the doom-and-gloomers on this subject, it will be anyway.
If we don't find viable solutions to peak oil, this might be the best we can do.
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They're both equally newsworthy. The problem is that a lot of people in America look at a story like this and say "ha ha, stupid backward superstitious Africans" without realizing that they're no better. Go out in the street and ask Americans what they think of this story, and you'll get a lot of laughs, mockery, comments about how they're obviously stupid, etc. Now try laughing and mocking Christianity and saying how only a stupid person could believe in it, and watch their faces.
Well it is partially Chritianity's fault in Africa for making AIDs such a huge crisis that is and many Western Christians share the same sort dangerous ignorance about AIDs as Africans do, alongside having a thinly veiled contempt for AIDs victims.
The_Last_Rebel wrote:I wasn't being entirely serious, but yeah, it would be pretty rough. But going by all the doom-and-gloomers on this subject, it will be anyway.
If we don't find viable solutions to peak oil, this might be the best we can do.
Maybe we should clarify what "doom and gloom" means. If literal extinction, new Dark Age events are what qualifies, than I shouldn't be placed amongst them. If, however, alarm over potentially having to return an Amish-esque state of subsistence does, than I am. People don't realize how dependent we are on our industrial system. People excessively romanticize the past. To me, that's an unmitigated, unprecedented disaster. As an upper/upper-middle class young American, potentially Soviet-famine level events are fucking catastrophes. Now that doesn't mean they haven't happened, or that they're not historically established. But relative to our state of existence, its an incredible collapse and people don't realize just how much of everything they do is candy-coated luxury compared to the past.
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Could Peak Oil initiate something approaching "dieback" where the human population depleats after our massively overextended infrastructure implodes in on itself after depleting most natural resources, where we get far less cars, planes, food, electricity or cutting edge healthcare?
I'm sorry, "could"? The natural result of such an economic crisis as the one we're talking about will lead to a huge die-off, if only because there just won't be as many resources to go around, especially for countries like China and India.
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