Who was Jesus Christ? (Stargate Verse)

[Baal]

In the Stargate universe it is pretty well accepted by anyone with a brain that Gods do not exist. Aliens with high-tech are the accepted explanation for deities.

So how about Jesus Christ? Who was he? In my opinion if he is anyone other than a crazy prophet mortal then he would most likely be a Nox who somehow became trapped on Earth and decided to use his abilities to create what he thought would be a better religion than the various worships of Goa'uld that dominates the Earth.

Opinions?

[Gandalf]

Firstly, I'll admit I've only seen various bits of Stargate.

I've always thought that Jesus (an disciples) would just be some sort of ambassadors for the system lord Yahweh. He comes along, shows the people what magic he can do, but one of his people turns on him and turns him in to the local authorities.

[Baal]

Firstly, I'll admit I've only seen various bits of Stargate.

I've always thought that Jesus (an disciples) would just be some sort of ambassadors for the system lord Yahweh. He comes along, shows the people what magic he can do, but one of his people turns on him and turns him in to the local authorities.

Jesus Christ, first prime of Yahweh. Now that would be funny to see.

[CaptainChewbacca]

In the Stargate universe it is pretty well accepted by anyone with a brain that Gods do not exist. Aliens with high-tech are the accepted explanation for deities.

So how about Jesus Christ? Who was he? In my opinion if he is anyone other than a crazy prophet mortal then he would most likely be a Nox who somehow became trapped on Earth and decided to use his abilities to create what he thought would be a better religion than the various worships of Goa'uld that dominates the Earth.

Opinions?

SG1 has stayed far away from any notions of the Judeo-Christian God being an alien. In 'Thor's Hammer' Teal'c comments that he does not believe that god to be a Goa'uld, because he is nothing like the system lords in behavior.

As for him being a Nox, that is also unlikely. The Nox seem to be the inspiration for the mythic Faerie and Fae of germanic myth. They also wouldn't have let themselves be seen by humans.

[bilateralrope]

In the Stargate universe it is pretty well accepted by anyone with a brain that Gods do not exist. Aliens with high-tech are the accepted explanation for deities.

So how about Jesus Christ? Who was he? In my opinion if he is anyone other than a crazy prophet mortal then he would most likely be a Nox who somehow became trapped on Earth and decided to use his abilities to create what he thought would be a better religion than the various worships of Goa'uld that dominates the Earth.

Opinions?

SG1 has stayed far away from any notions of the Judeo-Christian God being an alien. In 'Thor's Hammer' Teal'c comments that he does not believe that god to be a Goa'uld, because he is nothing like the system lords in behavior.

If we compare what System Lords do to what the Judeo-Christian God did in the bible, does this statement hold up ?

Or is it that Teal'c only read the 'good' parts of the bible ?

[Rye]

Other semitic gods (like the OP's namesake and Moloch) were system lords, so if the writers were prepared to piss off the popular religions instead of extinct ones, Yahweh would logically be among them (or dead, in a Nietzschian twist). It's possible that there's a distinct monotheistic god in existence that supplanted goa'uld worship on Earth too, or Yahweh is just a delusion, Jesus likewise deluded and mythologised without alien technology as a basis for his story. He could've also been a goa'uld related to Yahweh (perhaps the pantheons have family connections) with some healing device or other, marooned in first century judea for some reason.

[CaptainChewbacca]

In the Stargate universe it is pretty well accepted by anyone with a brain that Gods do not exist. Aliens with high-tech are the accepted explanation for deities.

So how about Jesus Christ? Who was he? In my opinion if he is anyone other than a crazy prophet mortal then he would most likely be a Nox who somehow became trapped on Earth and decided to use his abilities to create what he thought would be a better religion than the various worships of Goa'uld that dominates the Earth.

Opinions?

SG1 has stayed far away from any notions of the Judeo-Christian God being an alien. In 'Thor's Hammer' Teal'c comments that he does not believe that god to be a Goa'uld, because he is nothing like the system lords in behavior.

If we compare what System Lords do to what the Judeo-Christian God did in the bible, does this statement hold up ?

Or is it that Teal'c only read the 'good' parts of the bible ?

The Old-Testament (and new testament) God demands very little in the way of labor and material wealth. The system Lords were always receiving offerings of gold and slave labor, while the JC God seems to require only worship and animal sacrifice.

[NecronLord]

The Old-Testament (and new testament) God demands very little in the way of labor and material wealth. The system Lords were always receiving offerings of gold and slave labor, while the JC God seems to require only worship and animal sacrifice.

They don't take goods from Earth because there's little they value on Earth. Ba'al didn't take significant offerings from Earth, either, for example. Naqadah, Gold, all likely much easier to obtain elsewhere.

[CaptainChewbacca]

The Old-Testament (and new testament) God demands very little in the way of labor and material wealth. The system Lords were always receiving offerings of gold and slave labor, while the JC God seems to require only worship and animal sacrifice.

They don't take goods from Earth because there's little they value on Earth. Ba'al didn't take significant offerings from Earth, either, for example. Naqadah, Gold, all likely much easier to obtain elsewhere.

On earth, its true. I was comparing the known actions of the JC God on earth to the observed actions of System Lords elsewhere, which isn't really a fair comparrison but it is the only one I can make.

If Teal'c had heard about the brutal slave mines of Yaweh, then you'd be right.

[NecronLord]

Teal'c only has so much knowledge. If Yahweh were overthrown (or just a nobody) before his birth, he woundn't necesserily know of him.

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

Jesus was a Furling.

[Junghalli]

Isn't Roman times long after the Goa'uld abandoned Earth?

My personal bet would be Old Testament Yahweh was a Goa'uld and Jesus was just some philosopher who lived long after the Goa'uld occupation was over, rather like he probably was in real life.

[General Zod]

My guess? Jesus was an Ancient like Merlin who liked to meddle around a little too much.

[TheDarkling]

Since Carter believes in (presumably the Judeo-Christian) God he can't have been a Goa'uld or a prominent alien noticed by them although it is possible that such an alien was active whilst the Goa'uld weren't using the second gate for some reason.

Jesus is described as having Ancient like powers (healing, Ascension into "heaven" etc).

[Covenant]

You silly silly people. Clearly, Jesus was a Furling.

[LadyTevar]

Since Ba'al and Yahweh were contemporaries (according to the Bible, where the Israelites were repeatedly warned away from Ba'al worship), there is a good chance our Buddy Ba'al killed off Yahweh at some point.

As for Jesus? A rabbi who found/was shown the path to Ascension.

[FedRebel]

Isn't Roman times long after the Goa'uld abandoned Earth?

What aboout that episode of SG-1 with the medieval planet?

..The one with the Unas Goa'uld

Or Sokar's little fetish for imitating the Christian interpretation of the devil and hell?


In my opinion Yahweh was a Goa'uld, he found a woman with suitable genetic material and impregnated her. At some point during the childhood of this offspring Yahweh inserted himself into the new host.

Why? Lets take the Ba'al idea...

Since Ba'al and Yahweh were contemporaries (according to the Bible, where the Israelites were repeatedly warned away from Ba'al worship), there is a good chance our Buddy Ba'al killed off Yahweh at some point.

..so lets say that Yahweh is getting his ass kicked by Ba'al so he goes to Earth and sets up a new host, 12 or so years later he hides using the new host.

Yahweh now Jesus isn't an expert at being incognito and he creates his own little "club" (the Twelve Apostles), Peter would have been his First Prime I guess.

Yahweh's activities attract attention and Judas who'd be an agent of Ba'al's betrays 'Jesus'.

Ba'al leaves Yahweh's execution in the hands of the Tauri bacause direct intervention would attract the unwanted attention of other system lords

[SilverWingedSeraph]

Jesus as described in the bible is far closer to sounding like an Ancient, than a Goa'uld... So I'd have to agree with General Zod on this one.

[Ryan Thunder]

Isn't Roman times long after the Goa'uld abandoned Earth?

What aboout that episode of SG-1 with the medieval planet?

..The one with the Unas Goa'uld

Or Sokar's little fetish for imitating the Christian interpretation of the devil and hell?


In my opinion Yahweh was a Goa'uld, he found a woman with suitable genetic material and impregnated her. At some point during the childhood of this offspring Yahweh inserted himself into the new host.

Why? Lets take the Ba'al idea...

Since Ba'al and Yahweh were contemporaries (according to the Bible, where the Israelites were repeatedly warned away from Ba'al worship), there is a good chance our Buddy Ba'al killed off Yahweh at some point.

..so lets say that Yahweh is getting his ass kicked by Ba'al so he goes to Earth and sets up a new host, 12 or so years later he hides using the new host.

Yahweh now Jesus isn't an expert at being incognito and he creates his own little "club" (the Twelve Apostles), Peter would have been his First Prime I guess.

Yahweh's activities attract attention and Judas who'd be an agent of Ba'al's betrays 'Jesus'.

Ba'al leaves Yahweh's execution in the hands of the Tauri bacause direct intervention would attract the unwanted attention of other system lords

"And [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself." - Matthew 27:5 (KJB)

Might foul up that idea a bit...

[Ford Prefect]

Actually, Ba'al had him hung after he tried to betray him (though ultimately failled).

[FedRebel]

Jesus as described in the bible is far closer to sounding like an Ancient, than a Goa'uld... So I'd have to agree with General Zod on this one.

Words can be twisted over time

...and in 1933-1945 Germany Hitler & pals were viewed as saints, hell skinheads an rednecks with a fetish for white bedsheets still view them as such

The Bible is basically the Christan "Mien Kempf"

...I don't know about you, but "Mien Kempf " isn't at the top of my list for factual accounts of WW2 Germany

[FedRebel]

"And [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself." - Matthew 27:5 (KJB)

Might foul up that idea a bit...

not necessarily...

It'd make the first prime look bad if an enemy agent were to successfully infiltrate his lord's inner circle, so he ensures that the story is changed in those areas that make him look bad

[loomer]

Jesus could have just been a Tokra, really. No need for him to be an Ancient.

[SilverWingedSeraph]

Except he acted completely counter to how Tok'ra act. Tok'ra fight against the Goa'uld by hiding among them, getting information, occasionally assassination, etc. They don't go around starting religions and gathering followers.

Besides, "Christ" as depicted in the Bible performs feats that neither the Goa'uld nor the Tokra have been known to replicate, but an Ancient could. The largest of which would be his "Ascension" to heaven.

Of course, all of this is speculation anyway. I doubt the Creators of Stargate would ever come out an say "HAI GUYZ, JESUS WAS A GOA'ULD/TOK'RA/ANCIENT! ZOMG!"

[Dooey Jo]

In the Stargate universe it is pretty well accepted by anyone with a brain that Gods do not exist. Aliens with high-tech are the accepted explanation for deities.

They said in one of the first episodes about the Ori that true gods may exist on the highest "plane of existence", i.e. an even higher plane than that of those who are ascended. So apparently the gods that are aliens are only the ones for which it is politically correct to say are aliens (they'll never meet System Lord Allah and his first prime Muhammed). Presumably YHWH would live on such plane of existence, and maybe Jesus was his human incarnation, which he chose to take, or something, and who later returned to being super-ascended after being killed.