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I've just read Dark Empire, and am in the process of reading DEII (which is surprisingly not as bad as I thought). DE isn't necessarily terrible overall, but there's just so much I can mock on almost every page that I almost thought about writing a MST3K type piece, but then I realize that no one would read it, so I decided against it. And there's just too many amusing panels for me to make screenshots of. The coloring was bizarre, and could only have been redeemed by good art, but the characters were drawn so badly that DE looks crappier than the old Droids cartoon.

Bitching aside, I don't understand the sparse depiction of Luke's turning to the Dark Side. Here's what I've gathered:

Issue 1: Luke feels the Dark Side increasing, and is subsequently abducted at the palace on Coruscant.

2: The undying nature of the Emperor is revealed, and he offers Luke the only way to defeat him- by learning the secrets of the Dark Side. Much is mentioned about destiny and how he's taking Vader's mantle.

4. Leia is captured, and Palpatine expounds at length about how he will train her as well in the Dark Side.

5. Palpatine attempts to seduce Leia in the most idiotic approach ever, by appealing to her sympathy as an old man, and by stupidly trying to win her trust by showing off a freakin' light side, Jedi holocron. He wants to become her baby, but she rebuffs and runs away, to which he shrugs it off because it was a test to see if she contained the Skywalker anger. Then he becomes a typical moron villain and realizes that he overlooked that she stole the holocron.

Also, we see the Imperial officer with the biggest hat in the galaxy.

Leia then tries to get Luke to leave, but he insists that he knows what he's doing, and seems to not truly be in the Dark Side, because he is glad of her Jedi presence to "break the grip of the Dark Side." Some stuff related to the imminent invasion of Mon Calamari by World Devestators occurs, as well as the rescue of Han and Chewie, and then Luke goes to attack Palpatine in his clone lab, and Palpatine is caught surprised. He actually was weak enough in the Force to not realize that Luke has not turned, that Luke was using him all along.

6. The Emperor confronts Leia with Luke demanding for her baby, and Luke duels her, even though we never saw Palpatine tempting him back to the Dark Side and aren't sure if it's another trick by Luke in the first place. However, some notable stuff on page 21:
Luke wrote:I found knowledge there... all the dark things father knew so well... [...] warned me... "Once you start down that dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny..." But I had to do it Leia. I had to know my father... I had to know why he chose the Dark Side.
Leia then says that now that he knows, he should come back. Luke also says he found "great isolation and sadness" and fear in the Dark Side that Vader and even the Emperor felt in times of their greatest triumph. The Emperor throws a vampiric hissy fit and then alternatively threatens and tempts them, and then the Jedi twins totally strike his ass down. After the Force storm, of course.

The question after all this, of course, what was the point of Luke going to the Dark Side, storywise? It seems that his purpose was to a) find out what Anakin experienced in order and b) bring down Palpatine from within. I like both of these goals- it's both a nice familial attempt to understand his late father better, as well as a novel way to destroy the Dark Side. However, none of this is really executed very well in the comics.

As far as a) goes, we never really see Palpatine actually teaching Luke anything. We just see Luke acting like a total jerk. We never know if he's experiencing any of the same training that Vader went through. But this is the lesser point.

As far as b) goes, Luke certainly achieves that in the comic, but the problem is that Palpatine becomes a totally manipulated tool in the story. He's being outplayed, but seeing as how he's the Dark Lord of evil and manipulation, it's really hard to believe that he doesn't know it. We never really see Luke actually acting like he's gone to the Dark Side, and the fact that Palpatine acts like a bloody dotard doesn't help things.

In DE, he's as dumb as Trioculus, and just a run-of-the-mill villain with no depth. And besides cackling a lot, revealing his plans, and a few neat Force maneuvers, he doesn't actually do anything that would seem that he's bringing the Empire back with a vengeance. Well, other than the World Devastators stuff, which I suppose was probably pretty hot shite back in 1991.

And maybe I'm spoiled by contemporary comics, but the retro style of DE made it incredibly non-dark in my opinion. Probably it's because of a combination of the whimsical art, the totally non-scary (and kind of campy) nature of the Emperor, the Stan Lee-esque overexcited narrator, everyone dressing in vampire cloaks, and the fact I knew what was going to happen.

But finally, I don't really hate the comics, I just wish they were done better and more coherently (both storywise and artwise). I actually don't think that Palpatine coming back is such a bad idea (though it betrays a lack of imagination), and it doesn't necessarily undo Vader's sacrifice. The Chosen One created Luke, didn't he? So indirectly, Anakin did bring balance to the Force by defeating the Sith, vis-a-vis the spawn of his loins. (Insert reference of Son of the Suns somewhere.) But I do agree that it belittles his redemption, since Luke seems to be doing a complete Quinlan Vos in DE by jumping back and forth from the Dark Side.

Anyways, those are my thoughts. Rebuttal?
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Yeah, its crude. Publius could probably defend its concept much better than me, and you definitely must read The Test of Wills, his novelisation of DE. While staying within the canon almost panel-by-panel, it outperforms most of the official literature without breaking a sweat. Its just great, and its what DE ought to have been.
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One of the problems with DE is, that you also need the DESB to understand what is truly going on.
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I personally enjoyed DE quite a bit, I guess because it seemed fun and fresh at the time. Since it was a comic book, I didn't really think of it as somehow "canon" (even though technically it's C like the rest). And instead of making up a ton of new lame characters it recycled a bunch of movie characters and made them lame (at least that was a little bit novel at the time).

I didn't mind the artwork either, for some reason.


Anyway, when I read it, it was as the graphic novel collection my friend let me borrow. I imagine that it was probably very different for people who read it issue by issue when it first came out. For any comic series that means you get the serial effect with the cliffhangers and so forth, so people were probably on the edge of their seats... "What is Luke going to really turn? (shock, horror)" "Oh, what will that mad Emperor do next?" etc.

But now we can look upon it and see how silly it is. It'd probably work much better as a video game...
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The Dark Empire comics are pretty good if you ask me, just make sure you avoid listening to the audio-drama CD's of them. They sound incredibly stupid and lame (to say nothing of the fact that the characters sound completely different than they do in the films).
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Look on the bright side. If it had actually elaborated on those teachings and how exactly Vader fell, it would probably be contradicted by the movies now. :wink:
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Battlehymn Republic wrote:Also, we see the Imperial officer with the biggest hat in the galaxy.
And also the most ridiculous pants in the galaxy :lol:

I've only read DEII and didn't mind the story too much, until I heard it was basically the same as DE: "Emperor clones himself and builds new super-weapon. Luke is angsty."
Hated the artwork, though. The characters all look totally weird and everything is coloured in shades of green, yellow and black, reminiscent of vomit.
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You are leaving out the worst part of DE. The return of Boba Fett. Oh how the SW universe would be different if DE hadn't brought him back. :cry:

The comics themselves were entertaining to a point. I enjoyed the art because it was something new at the time and it gave everything a gritty feel. As far as Palpatine being a dumbass, I just chocked that up to the "madness" he talked about in the trip to transfer his essence to his clone bodies. Actually, IIRC, he comments on how he has died many times before, which contradicts what he says in ROTS, unless he died a few times between then and DE, or he was lying to Anakin. The quest for Luke to know his father is good, but not really fleshed out very well. It was just a 6 issue comic though.

What I truly detested about the series, even more than Fett returning, was the Force Storm, and the "essence transfer". I remember reading it at the comic book shop I worked in at the time and was like... "WTF did he need the Death Star for?!" and... "What the hell does he need an apprentice for?!" :roll:

As more EU has been written and the new movies came out, some of it made more sense and some of it made less sense.
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Oh how the SW universe would be different if DE hadn't brought him back.
Since he hasn't had a single impact on anything since his return, what exactly would be different? Less Mando'ae? (Some'one ne'eds to str'angle Tra'viss wit'h o'ne of tho'se ap'ostro'ph'es sh'e lo'ves u'sing.)
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I would hazard to say that the present form of Episode II and III could be said to be a direct result of the strength of Fett-fanboyism.

So even if Fett-wanking existed prior to DE, it and sources like it gave it a major boost, and contributed (however indirectly) to Lucas inserting him into the SE and Prequels.

I mean for crying out loud... he's now a clone of his dad who is the template for the Stormtroopers and instrumental in the Clone Wars!
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Kurgan wrote:I would hazard to say that the present form of Episode II and III could be said to be a direct result of the strength of Fett-fanboyism.

So even if Fett-wanking existed prior to DE, it and sources like it gave it a major boost, and contributed (however indirectly) to Lucas inserting him into the SE and Prequels.

I mean for crying out loud... he's now a clone of his dad who is the template for the Stormtroopers and instrumental in the Clone Wars!
Who also suffered the most anti-climactic villain death in the whole saga. Seriously.

"His jetpack stopped working."

"No, dammit, I was looking forward to that fight. Now you've ruined it for me, asshole!" :cry:
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Yeah, its crude. Publius could probably defend its concept much better than me, and you definitely must read The Test of Wills, his novelisation of DE. While staying within the canon almost panel-by-panel, it outperforms most of the official literature without breaking a sweat. Its just great, and its what DE ought to have been.
Props to Publius and all, but I think it's tantamount to polishing a turd. That's not to suggest his effort was in vain though, since it does make DE comprehensible.

Publius is the Tommy DeVito of turd-polishing when it comes to the EU. And that's a sincere compliment.
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VT-16 wrote:
Oh how the SW universe would be different if DE hadn't brought him back.
Since he hasn't had a single impact on anything since his return, what exactly would be different? Less Mando'ae? (Some'one ne'eds to str'angle Tra'viss wit'h o'ne of tho'se ap'ostro'ph'es sh'e lo'ves u'sing.)
Clone Troopers. Jango Fett. Mandalorians. Karen Traviss. Boba Fett being a ladies man in the ROTJ SE. Even BEING in ANH SE. STILL being alive in the LOF series.

I know the character isn't directly responsible for much, but just the influence... Think what AOTC would have been like with out the Jango story arc. Imagine the EU without Traviss wanking the Clone/Mandalorian troopers. Just imagine...
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havokeff wrote:Boba Fett being a ladies man in the ROTJ SE.
And yet a permavirgin, according to the EU.
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I gave up on comic books when they started recycling villains. Dark Empire sucks worse than the Bunny Bounty Hunter from the Marvel Comics.
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Does anyone have a link to Publius's Test of Wills?
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The Three Cardinal Sins of DE Series for me:

1) Tired retreads of old SW plots that became the death knell of the EU for me. Let's check shall we? Emperor or some Sith derivative as the villain? Check. Super weapons that can blow up planets as a threat to the Rebellion/Alliance as in Death Star lite? Check. Empire as the villain as if nothing else can ever challenge the New Republic? Check.


2) Luke Skywalker's journey in the OT is pointless since he seemingly learns nothing from his experiences and falls to the darkside with nary a struggle or hesitation. One of the most stirring moments of the OT is when Luke tosses his lightsaber aside and looks the Emperor in the eye and says "You've failed your highness I am a Jedi like my father before me." According to the DE that line of dialogue and the lessons learned through the pain and loss Luke suffered in three movies means jack shit. There's more to Luke than the danger of falling to the dark side especially when it is explicitly stated in ESB that this is a danger to a novice Jedi which Luke no longer is be the end of ROTJ. It is an affront to his character and supposed growth.

3) Worst of all, it invalidates the sacrifice of Anakin Skywalker in ROTJ and makes his journey sort of pointless. Did he "Really" kill the Emperor? No. Six iconic movies so that he could sacrifice himself to inconvenience the old fuck and make him come back with powers no Jedi/Sith has ever seen. I'm sure that's what the prophecy meant by bringing balance to the Force.
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Some stuff related to the imminent invasion of Mon Calamari by World Devestators occurs, as well as the rescue of Han and Chewie, and then Luke goes to attack Palpatine in his clone lab, and Palpatine is caught surprised. He actually was weak enough in the Force to not realize that Luke has not turned, that Luke was using him all along.


Odd. If it could be said at all that Luke was using Palpatine -- which is a stretch, since (if I recall) it's made explicitly clear that Palpatine was aware of Luke's tiny "betrayals" from the very beginning (you can merely credit his surprise to arrogance and his ascending insanity) -- you could just as easily say that Palpatine was using him. Because he did indeed force Luke to accept the dark side completely after he beat his ass in a lightsaber duel.
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I know the character isn't directly responsible for much, but just the influence...
Oh yeah, what an influence. Cannonfodder extended family and a useless language. Wow. I rest my case.
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havokeff wrote:You are leaving out the worst part of DE. The return of Boba Fett. Oh how the SW universe would be different if DE hadn't brought him back. :cry:
I don't mind it so much after the fact because of Dave Wolverton's story, which had Fett being rescued by Dengar. I like Dengar.

I think it would have been less ridiculous if the Byss operation was just a back-up for the Emperor, and that he had never died prior to ROTJ, and when Luke met him, he was already in clone form. That would have made him seem less deathless, and perhaps then more attention would have beene paid to what he would have looked like as a young man. Young clone Palpatine just looks like some bald muscular pseudo-vampire in DE and DEII.
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Some stuff related to the imminent invasion of Mon Calamari by World Devestators occurs, as well as the rescue of Han and Chewie, and then Luke goes to attack Palpatine in his clone lab, and Palpatine is caught surprised. He actually was weak enough in the Force to not realize that Luke has not turned, that Luke was using him all along.


Odd. If it could be said at all that Luke was using Palpatine -- which is a stretch, since (if I recall) it's made explicitly clear that Palpatine was aware of Luke's tiny "betrayals" from the very beginning (you can merely credit his surprise to arrogance and his ascending insanity) -- you could just as easily say that Palpatine was using him. Because he did indeed force Luke to accept the dark side completely after he beat his ass in a lightsaber duel.
I've gone ahead and actually read the written sections after the comics (reference guides or something), and yeah, it's stated that Palpatine allowed Luke to betray him in little things (such as sending the Rebellion the code to destroy his World Devestators), and his idea is basically to the effect of "if my dark apprentice isn't full of anger and spunk, he's not worth it." But it still seems like Palpatine is overestimating his control over Luke, and Luke's purpose of turning to the Dark Side in the first place was to destroy Palpatine from within. And Palpatine knows that, yet he's still so full of himself that he lets Luke doing that. It would be excusable if Palpatine really acted like he was the master manipulator that he was (as opposed to a run-of-the-mill villain with neat gadgets and Force storms), but he's stupid enough to allow Leia to steal the Jedi holocron that he showed off to her. And stupid enough not to protect his cloning rooms better.
Stravo wrote:3) Worst of all, it invalidates the sacrifice of Anakin Skywalker in ROTJ and makes his journey sort of pointless. Did he "Really" kill the Emperor? No. Six iconic movies so that he could sacrifice himself to inconvenience the old fuck and make him come back with powers no Jedi/Sith has ever seen. I'm sure that's what the prophecy meant by bringing balance to the Force.
True, but had the Clone Emperor been truly defeated in DE (as opposed to him remaining a threat until Empire's End, where he had to be dragged all the way to Space Hell by the coolest character from DE II

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I've gone ahead and actually read the written sections after the comics (reference guides or something), and yeah, it's stated that Palpatine allowed Luke to betray him in little things (such as sending the Rebellion the code to destroy his World Devestators), and his idea is basically to the effect of "if my dark apprentice isn't full of anger and spunk, he's not worth it." But it still seems like Palpatine is overestimating his control over Luke, and Luke's purpose of turning to the Dark Side in the first place was to destroy Palpatine from within. And Palpatine knows that, yet he's still so full of himself that he lets Luke doing that. It would be excusable if Palpatine really acted like he was the master manipulator that he was (as opposed to a run-of-the-mill villain with neat gadgets and Force storms), but he's stupid enough to allow Leia to steal the Jedi holocron that he showed off to her. And stupid enough not to protect his cloning rooms better.
I'd personally call this writer's fiat, but as for an in-universe explanation, you must remember that Emperor Palpatine was losing his grasp on sanity by this point and losing rationality, which -- in some cases -- would make him even more dangerous. He's still brilliant and perceptive, he was aware from the beginning that Luke was rebelling (and I doubt Luke was aware of that), and he's certainly still Luke's intellectual superior by far. But his arrogance and desperation force him to accept Luke's ill intent because Palpatine is that determined to make him his apprentice.

As for Leia stealing his holocron, again, you can credit this to hubris. I doubt he thought she'd attack him, since (if you remember), she tried it once before -- and he kicked the shit out of her without any real effort.

But I will say that Luke Skywalker was uberpowerful at this point. There probably wasn't enough that Palpatine could guard his chambers with that Luke wouldn't have eventually cut down anyways.
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I do think that DE is silly and your criticisms are valid, but for some reason I enjoy it anyway. I actually am a huge fan of the space battles and some of the design work.

I kind of wish they'd stopped with DEI though. DEII made no fucking sense, and I couldn't even find EE to hate it like everyone who's actually read it does.
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The best thing about DE: it's scale. But, yeah, the story's crap. IF they had to make it, they should have stopped at the first one.
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A few points about DE and the prequels....

*The authors of DE aren't really at fault concerning the Balance of the Force and the prophecy of the choosen one. DE issues were released during an interval of five years (from 1991-1996). Bringing "balance to the Force" really wasn't an issue for the authors because...well, the prequels weren't even released yet. However, due to the whole matter of DE still being part of the SW canon, it does create the problem of interpreting coherently much more difficult.

*About the life transfer capability: If anything, it seems more legimate to me because of Episode III. Force manipulation of life energy is now part of the highest canon. I can now more easily accept the concept that the Emperor has found a life energy technique to extend his rule, especially since he seems adamant to rediscover the "secret".

As to the Emperor's immense leap in power, maybe we can chalk that up to Palpatine using the citizens of Byss as some sort of test bed to work his idea of draining the citizens of the galaxy of their life essence (that's from the DE sourcebook) . That extra life energy MUST have aided somehow in creating those Force Storms. If someone can confirm that Byss wasn't being used in this manner per ROTJ, then that may be the reason for all of those wanktastic abilities.
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I think it would have been less ridiculous if the Byss operation was just a back-up for the Emperor, and that he had never died prior to ROTJ, and when Luke met him, he was already in clone form.
That's the retcon now, according to Leland Chee. Palpatine only had the clones for back-up, he never died prior to ROTJ.

As for Byss, it was used to siphon energy from its citizens ever since Palpatine discovered its dark side nexus. He encouraged colonization soon after the end of the CW, with the intent of using aristocrats and other rich people as Force-resources. He's also credited with finding and killing a Jedi Master who held the key to transferring one's essence, only a few years before ANH, so much of his knowledge on enhanced Force-techniques were obtained and learned in this short era.
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