With celeb backing like this how can you doubt creationism?

[Plekhanov]

'Creation Science' Makes a Difference
Creation Science Evangelism, October 18, 2007

Between 1978 and 1991, Jeffrey Dahmer murdered at least 17 men and boys. His murders included gruesome acts and he was sentenced to a lifetime in prison.

But during his sentence something changed, and before his death, Dahmer went on MSNBC with his father. When asked what contributed to his new accountability, he told his father, "Thanks to you for sending that creation science material."

In the interview Dahmer acknowledges that he once believed in the evolution theory which "cheapens life". He went on to testify to the Lord Jesus Christ being the true Creator and accepting Him as his Savior.

Like Dahmer, many today are being influenced by the cheapening of life promoted by the evolution theory. Racism, communism, nazism and anarchy are all effects of this dangerous theory. Even the killers in the Columbine school massacre wore shirts that blared, "Natural Selection". Evolution is a perilous religion with fatal societal consequences. For more on the effects of evolution view our Dangers of Evolution DVD.

There is hope; the Bible teaches us that we are "fearfully and wonderfully made". Creation Science Evangelism exists to teach the unfathomable truths of our Creator which bring about life change. Help us in reaching this new generation, infiltrated by evolution and death propaganda, with the message of life that comes from the creation message. Help us make a difference today.

Follow this link for an inspiring video of Dahmers 'Creation Science' advocacy and I'm sure you'll be convinced, because of course cannibalistic serial killers are the ultimate authority on this and all other subjects.

[salm]

Is possible for him to get his life sentance reduced? If yes, then i don´t blame him for adopting a belief like this in a society where being a Good Person requires to have some absurd faith. I´d do the same.

[Flagg]

Is possible for him to get his life sentance reduced? If yes, then i don´t blame him for adopting a belief like this in a society where being a Good Person requires to have some absurd faith. I´d do the same.

Umm, no. Motherfucker's dead. Got a broom stick shoved up his ass and broken off during a riot about 10 years ago.

[PeZook]

Racism, communism, nazism and anarchy are all effects of this dangerous theory.

Heh...yeah, racism is a product of evolution theory! It's not like there was ever any racism in Europe before Darwin!

And communism...damn those impoverished workers rising up against an unjust state, and attempting to forge something better in it's place. They were obviously inspired by Carl Darwin! Or was it Marx? No, wait...there's obviously some religious angle to the rise of communism...shit, I can't find it. I'll go ask my preacher.

Even the killers in the Columbine school massacre wore shirts that blared, "Natural Selection". Evolution is a perilous religion with fatal societal consequences. For more on the effects of evolution view our Dangers of Evolution DVD.

You know, they decry Nazism, but this entire sentence is blatant propaganda, in the best Goebbelsian style. Associate something seen as evil with an idea and repeat it often enough, and voila!

Follow this link for an inspiring video of Dahmers 'Creation Science' advocacy and I'm sure you'll be convinced, because of course cannibalistic serial killers are the ultimate authority on this and all other subjects.

But...but...he changed! He's become a Christian, so he can't be that evil, right?

You know, it would be funnier if they didn't seriously believe that shit...

[Flagg]

'Creation Science' Makes a Difference
Creation Science Evangelism, October 18, 2007

Between 1978 and 1991, Jeffrey Dahmer murdered at least 17 men and boys. His murders included gruesome acts and he was sentenced to a lifetime in prison.

But during his sentence something changed, and before his death, Dahmer went on MSNBC with his father. When asked what contributed to his new accountability, he told his father, "Thanks to you for sending that creation science material."

In the interview Dahmer acknowledges that he once believed in the evolution theory which "cheapens life". He went on to testify to the Lord Jesus Christ being the true Creator and accepting Him as his Savior.

Like Dahmer, many today are being influenced by the cheapening of life promoted by the evolution theory. Racism, communism, nazism and anarchy are all effects of this dangerous theory. Even the killers in the Columbine school massacre wore shirts that blared, "Natural Selection". Evolution is a perilous religion with fatal societal consequences. For more on the effects of evolution view our Dangers of Evolution DVD.

There is hope; the Bible teaches us that we are "fearfully and wonderfully made". Creation Science Evangelism exists to teach the unfathomable truths of our Creator which bring about life change. Help us in reaching this new generation, infiltrated by evolution and death propaganda, with the message of life that comes from the creation message. Help us make a difference today.

Follow this link for an inspiring video of Dahmers 'Creation Science' advocacy and I'm sure you'll be convinced, because of course cannibalistic serial killers are the ultimate authority on this and all other subjects.

Well to be fair, Dahmer may know what he's talking about. I mean he killed and ate people. Aside from pure numbers, he's up there with the Abrahamic god as far as evil is concerned.

[Plekhanov]

Like Dahmer, many today are being influenced by the cheapening of life promoted by the evolution theory. Racism, communism, nazism and anarchy are all effects of this dangerous theory.

Tis true, racism was unknown before The Origin of Species was published in 1859, keen biologists Marx and Engels were inspired to go back in time write the Communist Manifesto in 1848 after they read The Origin of Species, anti-semitism was completely unheard of in Europe before Darwin open his mouth and William Godwin would never have been able to lay the philosophical basis for anarchism in the late 18th century if he hadn't been influenced by a theory published over 20 years after his death

[Ryan Thunder]

Idiots. Even if they do claim to be Christians, they're retarded.

God and the theory of evolution are not mutually exclusive theories...

Way I see it (and there's no proof for this, of course, its just a pet theory of mine), in the beginning, God plugged in the numbers, and hit "play."

[PeZook]

Idiots. Even if they do claim to be Christians, they're retarded.

God and the theory of evolution are not mutually exclusive theories...

Way I see it (and there's no proof for this, of course, its just a pet theory of mine), in the beginning, God plugged in the numbers, and hit "play."

The problem is that fundies:

1) Equate "evolution" with "The Theory Of Everything", including abiogenesis and social theory.

2) Show how social darwinism is a horrible idea, and connect it to evolution

3) Pretend scientific evidence doesn't support evolution, and that the rational mindset is to accept creation "theory"

4) Rant about evil of today's society

This is really quite brilliant for casual debate ; This way, when you lose the "science supports creation" argument, you can still fall back on "Evolution leads to evil thingies", and declare that even if it's true, we shouldn't "follow" it anyway.

For them, evolution isn't a scientific model ; it's a declaration of a lifestyle. And why shouldn't it be? Everything a fundie believes includes instructions on how to live your life ; why shouldn't science?

For a fundie, it's absolutely inconceivable that a worldview replacing religion doesn't contain strong (and ridiculous) commandments on how to live one's life. A fundie thinks one "follows" the "teachings" of science, just like any other religion.

Their minds are quite literally broken. Not just brainwashed - broken.

[Plekhanov]

Idiots. Even if they do claim to be Christians, they're retarded.

God and the theory of evolution are not mutually exclusive theories...

Way I see it (and there's no proof for this, of course, its just a pet theory of mine), in the beginning, God plugged in the numbers, and hit "play."

Well evolution and the god described in the bible are certainly mutually exclusive, of course if you want to pretend otherwise by studiously ignoring large tracts of the bible and tortuously reinterpreting the rest that's your business.

[Glocksman]

Is possible for him to get his life sentance reduced? If yes, then i don´t blame him for adopting a belief like this in a society where being a Good Person requires to have some absurd faith. I´d do the same.

Umm, no. Motherfucker's dead. Got a broom stick shoved up his ass and broken off during a riot about 10 years ago.

But that doesn't mean he wasn't trying to set himself up for a pardon or eventual parole at the time.
Though given his notoriety, if he actually believed that he could get a pardon/parole for his crimes, he was delusional.
Jesus Christ himself could appear in front of the parole board as a character witness for Dahmer, and they'd still have kept his ass in the slam until he left in a pine box.

[General Zod]

Idiots. Even if they do claim to be Christians, they're retarded.

God and the theory of evolution are not mutually exclusive theories...

Way I see it (and there's no proof for this, of course, its just a pet theory of mine), in the beginning, God plugged in the numbers, and hit "play."

Except God isn't even necessary for evolution to work. You're just adding superfluous terms if you want to bring him in. If you pull in abiogenesis to explain the origins of life, then you've pretty much just pounded the Bible's version of how life came along in the ground.

[Superman]

Claiming to be a born again Christian doesn't begin to make up for what this motherfucker did. During one of his kills, he drugged a guy, drilled a hole into his skull, poured acid into it (he claimed he wanted to make a 'mindless sex zombie,' and then realized it doesn't work. The victim awoke and said he had a headache, so Dahmer killed him. I don't know the details around the inmate who killed Dahmer, but I'd give him high five for what he did.

This just supports my theory that Jesus is actually in prison. That's why so many people seem to find him there.

[Darth Servo]

What do you expect, its Dr. Dino's web page. Obviously, since Hovind is also serving time, people in jail are the best choice for poster boys for creationism.

[Darth Servo]

I don't know the details around the inmate who killed Dahmer, but I'd give him high five for what he did.

[Dahmer] was killed on November 28, 1994 by Christopher Scarver, a fellow inmate. The man beat Dahmer and a second inmate to death with a lead pipe while they were cleaning a prison restroom.

More info on Scarver

I'm not sure just how reliable these sources are. They were just at or near the top of the google search.

[Terralthra]

Idiots. Even if they do claim to be Christians, they're retarded.

God and the theory of evolution are not mutually exclusive theories...

Way I see it (and there's no proof for this, of course, its just a pet theory of mine), in the beginning, God plugged in the numbers, and hit "play."

Except God isn't even necessary for evolution to work. You're just adding superfluous terms if you want to bring him in. If you pull in abiogenesis to explain the origins of life, then you've pretty much just pounded the Bible's version of how life came along in the ground.

He didn't say "the Christian God" or "the God of David" or "Biblical Creation." He also says, quite clearly, that there is no proof for his theory. He just likes to believe it, as he clearly likes to believe that there is an omnipotent creator being. Is there something horribly wrong with that?

[Darth Servo]

Idiots. Even if they do claim to be Christians, they're retarded.

God and the theory of evolution are not mutually exclusive theories...

Way I see it (and there's no proof for this, of course, its just a pet theory of mine), in the beginning, God plugged in the numbers, and hit "play."

Except God isn't even necessary for evolution to work. You're just adding superfluous terms if you want to bring him in. If you pull in abiogenesis to explain the origins of life, then you've pretty much just pounded the Bible's version of how life came along in the ground.

He didn't say "the Christian God" or "the God of David" or "Biblical Creation."

Ryan actually seemed to be describing Deism.

[General Zod]

He didn't say "the Christian God" or "the God of David" or "Biblical Creation." He also says, quite clearly, that there is no proof for his theory. He just likes to believe it, as he clearly likes to believe that there is an omnipotent creator being. Is there something horribly wrong with that?

Are you retarded? He mentioned Christians in the very previous sentence. It's impossible to not draw a connection. Even if it isn't the Biblical God, so what? It doesn't change my point that adding any deity is superfluous.

[Terralthra]

He didn't say "the Christian God" or "the God of David" or "Biblical Creation." He also says, quite clearly, that there is no proof for his theory. He just likes to believe it, as he clearly likes to believe that there is an omnipotent creator being. Is there something horribly wrong with that?

Are you retarded? He mentioned Christians in the very previous sentence. It's impossible to not draw a connection. Even if it isn't the Biblical God, so what? It doesn't change my point that adding any deity is superfluous.

Is that how rational conversation works now? "I know you didn't say that you believe the Christian God mentioned in the Bible created the universe the way that the Bible says He did, but you mentioned Christians in an earlier sentence, so that's obviously what you're referring to"?

I didn't refute your point that it was superfluous, I asked you so what? If a belief in something superfluous doesn't have any negative effects on a person's life or the people around him, is it still a terrible thing?

[General Zod]

Is that how rational conversation works now? "I know you didn't say that you believe the Christian God mentioned in the Bible created the universe the way that the Bible says He did, but you mentioned Christians in an earlier sentence, so that's obviously what you're referring to"?

What the fuck else could he possibly be talking about when the fucking topic is about Biblical Creationism you illiterate hatfucker?

I didn't refute your point that it was superfluous, I asked you so what? If a belief in something superfluous doesn't have any negative effects on a person's life or the people around him, is it still a terrible thing?

Most people tend to give up imaginary friends after childhood and would consider an adult who still had one to be delusional. I'm not seeing much of a difference between having an imaginary friend as an adult and believing in a magic sky pixie who makes the world turn.

[Terralthra]

What the fuck else could he possibly be talking about when the fucking topic is about Biblical Creationism you illiterate hatfucker?

You're the one who clearly doesn't read the line where he says that they're idiots and retarded, but I'm the one who's illiterate. Whatever you say, chief.

I didn't refute your point that it was superfluous, I asked you so what? If a belief in something superfluous doesn't have any negative effects on a person's life or the people around him, is it still a terrible thing?

Most people tend to give up imaginary friends after childhood and would consider an adult who still had one to be delusional. I'm not seeing much of a difference between having an imaginary friend as an adult and believing in a magic sky pixie who makes the world turn.

He also quite clearly describes a god who created the universe, then stopped taking action, not one who "makes the world turn." Besides which, since I agree that most people would consider believing in an imaginary friend delusional, but most people do believe in a deity or supernatural beings, there's some difference there that perhaps you fail to acknowledge.

[General Zod]

You're the one who clearly doesn't read the line where he says that they're idiots and retarded, but I'm the one who's illiterate. Whatever you say, chief.

I'm not the one splitting hairs here moron. It's fairly clear that Ryan was distinguishing fundie dipshits from moderate ones. Not Christians from deists. But feel free to keep twisting things.

He also quite clearly describes a god who created the universe, then stopped taking action, not one who "makes the world turn." Besides which, since I agree that most people would consider believing in an imaginary friend delusional, but most people do believe in a deity or supernatural beings, there's some difference there that perhaps you fail to acknowledge.

Then why don't you explain exactly what that difference is dumbass?

[Darth Servo]

Most people tend to give up imaginary friends after childhood and would consider an adult who still had one to be delusional. I'm not seeing much of a difference between having an imaginary friend as an adult and believing in a magic sky pixie who makes the world turn.

And yet most people do believe in some kind of diety. Is it irrational? Hell yes. But if there is no difference between imaginary firends and believing in God, then obviously most peole do NOT give up imaginary friends after childhood.

[Terralthra]

Then why don't you explain exactly what that difference is dumbass?

I wouldn't know, I don't believe in either. I'm just stating the obvious. Most people don't believe in imaginary friends as adults. Most people do believe in a deity (by numbers, most of them even believe in the same one). You're the one who tried to make an argument from popularity, and not even a particularly good one. Perhaps since you're the one who came up with the argument:

Most people tend to give up imaginary friends after childhood and would consider an adult who still had one to be delusional. I'm not seeing much of a difference between having an imaginary friend as an adult and believing in a magic sky pixie who makes the world turn.

You should be the one to explain the relevance thereof, taking care to explain how the (fallacious) argument from popularity against imaginary friends is an effective analogy to a deity, given that you can't even use the (fallacious) argument from popularity against a deity.

[Darth Servo]

Here's an idea. Why not let Ryan himself come back and explain what he was talking about?

[Darth Yoshi]

It's a sign of irrational thinking. If an adult told you with a straight face that he believes in Santa Claus, you'd wonder about his ability reason. It's the same thing.