Alexian Cale wrote:I'll be honest, I wasn't impressed with Palpatine yanking out a lightsaber, nor Yoda. Ruined their mysticism; they're sorcerers, not warriors.
Sorcerers usually have wands.
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Alexian Cale wrote:I'll be honest, I wasn't impressed with Palpatine yanking out a lightsaber, nor Yoda. Ruined their mysticism; they're sorcerers, not warriors.
I'd leave the first half of Episode VI alone, but the second half will take place on Kashyyyk. When the Rebel commando team lands, Chewie identifies the meat as bait for what he assumes is a snare, and intentionally tugs it so he can summon other Wookiees to his aid-- the rest of the team is still caught in the net, which Chewie didn't expect.
The Rebels are taken to a village populated by escaped slaves-- Chewie tries to convince the Wookiees to help the Rebels, the Wookiees refuse due to fear of Imperial reprisals, and then Leia reminds the Wookiees that the Death Star I destroyed the planet over which it was constructed, i.e., once the Death Star II is completed, Kashyyyk will be destroyed.
The escaped slaves tell the Rebels about the Imperial base's backdoor, and, using weapons taken from disarmed Stormtroopers, support the Rebel attack. After the shield generator falls, the Death Star II commander orders the battle station to be moved away from Kashyyyk, so it won't be damaged by the fireball resulting from firing the superlaser at the planet to destroy the Rebel fleet there-- no "Kashyyyk Holocaust" for this film. Then Lando successfully destroys the Death Star's reactor and sets off the chain reaction that destroys it.
The end of the movie can be the same as the real Episode VI, with the exception that it's the Wookiees celebrating their freedom from slavery, not the damn Ewoks.
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
Oh, and Boba Fett dies a more heroic death, e.g., a half-blind Han shoots him in the back to save Luke-- no wimpy "hit in the back by a blind guy, the rocket pack malfunctions and launches Boba into the side of Jabba's barge, he becomes Sarlacc fodder."
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
Jabba the Hutt is not from Tatoonie. In fact, the Star Wars saga does not return to that desert ball at all. The galaxy is fucking gigantic and Tatoonie is the backwater of the backwaters, the ass end of the middle of nowhere. Jabba is rich enough to hire Bobba Fucking Fett, who is, given that Darth Vader also hired him, bounty hunting's hot shit. Why precisely couldn't he afford to put his base of operations somewhere nice? Last I checked the mafia didn't put their headquarters in Vermont or West Virginia. What I'm picturing is a planet that looks a lot like Blade Runner's NYC, heavily built up, but also grimy and rundown, not at all like the shining jewel that is Courascant.
Sidewinder wrote:I'd leave the first half of Episode VI alone, but the second half will take place on Kashyyyk. When the Rebel commando team lands, Chewie identifies the meat as bait for what he assumes is a snare, and intentionally tugs it so he can summon other Wookiees to his aid-- the rest of the team is still caught in the net, which Chewie didn't expect.
The Rebels are taken to a village populated by escaped slaves-- Chewie tries to convince the Wookiees to help the Rebels, the Wookiees refuse due to fear of Imperial reprisals, and then Leia reminds the Wookiees that the Death Star I destroyed the planet over which it was constructed, i.e., once the Death Star II is completed, Kashyyyk will be destroyed.
The escaped slaves tell the Rebels about the Imperial base's backdoor, and, using weapons taken from disarmed Stormtroopers, support the Rebel attack. After the shield generator falls, the Death Star II commander orders the battle station to be moved away from Kashyyyk, so it won't be damaged by the fireball resulting from firing the superlaser at the planet to destroy the Rebel fleet there-- no "Kashyyyk Holocaust" for this film. Then Lando successfully destroys the Death Star's reactor and sets off the chain reaction that destroys it.
The end of the movie can be the same as the real Episode VI, with the exception that it's the Wookiees celebrating their freedom from slavery, not the damn Ewoks.
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The problem with placing Jabba anywhere else is that Luke specifically tells Lando that he'll rendezvous with them on Tatooine at the end of TESB. Why go there if not to follow Boba Fett?
Because it's a remote backwater which the Empire, by and large, ignores.
Which could also be why Jabba lives there, come to think of it. He's not only rich and gaudy, he's also fairly intelligent. He could live on Nar Shaddaa, but then he's just another crime boss in a city full of crime. Out on Tatooine, he's the crime GOD and none can stand before him. And the Empire doesn't look too close if some Twi'lek slave girls die.
I've been trying to figure out what bothers me about Galvatron's splitting of Anakin and Vader, and I think I finally hit on it (exaggerated for your amusement):
"Ben, why didn't you tell me?"
"Shit, man, I didn't know! Just because I knew Anakin and Vader and I have the Force and now I'm fucking immortal doesn't mean I know everything! I mean, holy shit! I'm just as blown away as you are! God, Anakin's wife...what a fucking cheating bitch!"
"Oh, ok, I guess my faith in my authority figure is shaken not because of his dishonesty but because of his stupidity. Retard!"
I think Ben being oblivious has a lot less emotional impact than Ben lying for his own convenience. At the end of ESB there is no "Anakin" and "Vader" in the storyline yet, there is just "Luke's father," who Vader has now claimed to be. Luke--who also has the Force--immediately understands that this is true and that Ben has indeed been less truthful than Vader himself. That's a powerful moment in ESB.
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This depends on if the novelizations are included in this scenario. IIRC Anakin is mentioned by name in them.
I like the idea of them being separate myself. It makes Vader that much more evil to him have raped/seduced Luke's mom and can even be worked in as instrumental for his fall to the dark side. It also can be worked into Luke's character more as a reason for why he teeters on the edge of the Dark Side and why Yoda is so worried about him and keeping him on the right path. Of course that would lead one to believe that Yoda knows the truth, where if we don't assume Ben is lying out his ass like he was, doesn't.
Perhaps the "other" could be the TRUE child of Anakin?
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In this scenario, only the movies themselves are truly canon. One can freely co-opt elements from non-canon sources if they wish, but that doesn't make those sources canon.
My current idea is that the "other" is a modified clone of Anakin. A female one. Roughly Luke's age. Created from genetic samples taken from Anakin during the Clone Wars.
Essentially, she'd be an amalgam of concepts derived from Boba Fett's origin and the characterization of Mara Jade. She ALSO would be a potential love interest for Luke, being that Anakin is not his real father, thus his clone wouldn't be a blood relative either.
The idea is that Anakin Skywalker--the alpha hero of Episodes I-III--lives on in some form. However, like Boba Fett regards Jango as his father, so does the "other" think of Anakin as her father. And she holds Darth Vader accountable for his death.
She'd show up in Episode VII with everyone thinking at first that she's an assassin out to kill Darth Vader on the Empire's behalf.
Galvatron wrote:My current idea is that the "other" is a modified clone of Anakin. A female one. Roughly Luke's age. Created from genetic samples taken from Anakin during the Clone Wars.
You mean like X-23? Please abandon this idea. "Wolverine with boobs" is bad enough.
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
Galvatron wrote:My current idea is that the "other" is a modified clone of Anakin. A female one. Roughly Luke's age. Created from genetic samples taken from Anakin during the Clone Wars.
You mean like X-23? Please abandon this idea. "Wolverine with boobs" is bad enough.
I'm with Sidewinder. LAME, Galvs. You were good up until this point.
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Well, I've never heard of this X-23 so I wouldn't say she influenced me. And I'd hope that just because an eerily similar idea appeared in a schlocky Marvel rag, it won't taint the entire concept.
However, allow me to make my case for why I enviosn her as a clone of Anakin:
1) She'd give us a credible "other" without introducing some alternate savior that's totally unrelated to the saga up to this point.
2) She'd give us a love interest for Luke other than Leia.
3) She'd resume the quest for justice on behalf of Anakin and the Jedi that Luke would no doubt abandon upon discovering Vader's true identity and their subsequent reconciliation. Instead, she would fill the role as her father's would-be avenger. I find that preferable to simply expecting Darth Vader to continue on in the story without reaping any consequences for his misdeeds in the prequels. It's a loose thread that needs exploring.
Galvatron wrote:The problem with placing Jabba anywhere else is that Luke specifically tells Lando that he'll rendezvous with them on Tatooine at the end of TESB. Why go there if not to follow Boba Fett?
THAT rendezvous wasn't ROTJ anyway; it was in SOTE.
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Galvatron wrote:Well, I've never heard of this X-23 so I wouldn't say she influenced me. And I'd hope that just because an eerily similar idea appeared in a schlocky Marvel rag, it won't taint the entire concept.
However, allow me to make my case for why I enviosn her as a clone of Anakin:
1) She'd give us a credible "other" without introducing some alternate savior that's totally unrelated to the saga up to this point.
2) She'd give us a love interest for Luke other than Leia.
3) She'd resume the quest for justice on behalf of Anakin and the Jedi that Luke would no doubt abandon upon discovering Vader's true identity and their subsequent reconciliation. Instead, she would fill the role as her father's would-be avenger. I find that preferable to simply expecting Darth Vader to continue on in the story without reaping any consequences for his misdeeds in the prequels. It's a loose thread that needs exploring.
Why not just be Anakin's daughter? Before Vader got his wife pregnant with Luke?
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Anguirus wrote:I've been trying to figure out what bothers me about Galvatron's splitting of Anakin and Vader, and I think I finally hit on it (exaggerated for your amusement):
"Ben, why didn't you tell me?"
"Shit, man, I didn't know! Just because I knew Anakin and Vader and I have the Force and now I'm fucking immortal doesn't mean I know everything! I mean, holy shit! I'm just as blown away as you are! God, Anakin's wife...what a fucking cheating bitch!"
"Oh, ok, I guess my faith in my authority figure is shaken not because of his dishonesty but because of his stupidity. Retard!"
I think Ben being oblivious has a lot less emotional impact than Ben lying for his own convenience. At the end of ESB there is no "Anakin" and "Vader" in the storyline yet, there is just "Luke's father," who Vader has now claimed to be. Luke--who also has the Force--immediately understands that this is true and that Ben has indeed been less truthful than Vader himself. That's a powerful moment in ESB.
I agree. Its moral ambiguity. And just because Vader != Anakin originally with GL doesn't mean its actually a better idea.
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Galvatron wrote:Well, I've never heard of this X-23 so I wouldn't say she influenced me. And I'd hope that just because an eerily similar idea appeared in a schlocky Marvel rag, it won't taint the entire concept.
However, allow me to make my case for why I enviosn her as a clone of Anakin:
1) She'd give us a credible "other" without introducing some alternate savior that's totally unrelated to the saga up to this point.
This is good, but would she then be in the prequels?
2) She'd give us a love interest for Luke other than Leia.
So he could nail the female clone of who he thought was his dad? That seems just as bad as the sister.
3) She'd resume the quest for justice on behalf of Anakin and the Jedi that Luke would no doubt abandon upon discovering Vader's true identity and their subsequent reconciliation. Instead, she would fill the role as her father's would-be avenger. I find that preferable to simply expecting Darth Vader to continue on in the story without reaping any consequences for his misdeeds in the prequels. It's a loose thread that needs exploring.
So she would be Luke's adversary then? I thought she was going to be a love interest? A female Jedi with revenge on her mind that is a love interest... Sounds too similar to Mara Jade for my tastes.
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