Moderator: NecronLord
Yeah, pretty much. That's what makes it a subjective opinion rather than a fact. Eccleston just seemed too blue collar compared to other Doctors. He wasn't the worst, but he certainly wasn't the best.Stark wrote:Oh, so you're saying the 9th Doctor didn't closely enough fit your definition of 'what the Doctor is'? ...
Sorry but I really had to draw that to everyone's attention...Johonebesus wrote: I don't think Tom Baker would make a good Ben Kenobi, but he might make a good Palpatine.
Sorry, no. There are insane Fallout fans who declare that they 'know' what 'Fallout is' and reject the ability for anyone else (ie, the licenceholders, software developers, etc) to 'get it right' without 'violating Fallout's truth'. That's actually how they talk. It seemed similar (but far more insane) than what you were saying.Johonebesus wrote:What is a "Fallout fanboy"? Are you referring to the game or a band or what?
And Tom Baker might have wistfully stared once or twice: McGann spent most of his tenure doing it (while wearing an utterly retarded outfit). So nyah. Foppish retard, a soulless melange of other, better actors! A pox on him and his stupid movie. 
"Stones Of Blood" was the one real failure in the Key to Time series, particularly as it wasted what was a very good story involving the Callieach. It should have stuck to the mythology and had the interdimensional passage leading not to a ship stuck in hyperspace (and all that idiocy with the Megara), but rather to Ancient Britain when the Callieach cult was first established when Cessair first arrived on Earth. The B plot with the justice machines simply doesn't work at all. David Fischer, an otherwise good writer for the series, really dropped the ball on this one.mr friendly guy wrote:The only key to time set I didn't particularly like was "Stones of blood". Otherwise I enjoyed the rest, although "The Armageddon Factor" could most probably be told with less than 6 episodes as it tended to give a dragged out feeling.
Hmmm, in that case Super Rose was not completely out of the blue, if the TARDIS' Heart was set up in "Boomtown", showing it had the potential bequeath tremendous cosmic power and access to the Time Stream to anybody foolish or brave enough to get completely exposed to it after yanking open a control panel in the Console (Rose nearly died and the Doctor had to sacrifice a Generation after absorbing it).NecronLord wrote: He seems to think it's a Deus Ex Mechanica if it's a sudden climax, like say, Darth Vader turning on the Emperor. He doesn't, like quite a few people, seem to fully understand what the term means.
It is of course, not. The nanogenes were set up far before, and I had an idea what was going to happen before it actually did based on the developments, but it was still wonderful to see.
I honestly have to ask...are you on smack?Big Orange wrote:
* The Raxacoricofallapatorians are a decent semi-comical species and that Raxacoricofallapatorius should be visited in future episodes, becoming a main focus of the alien worlds after Gallifrey and Skaro have both gone bye-bye.
She was literally a god out of the machine. The plot's about to go to hell, then a diety appears on stage, intervenes, and makes it all better. Rose God of Thunder fits the term in the most direct sense imaginable.Big Orange wrote:Hmmm, in that case Super Rose was not completely out of the blue, if the TARDIS' Heart was set up in "Boomtown", showing it had the potential bequeath tremendous cosmic power and access to the Time Stream to anybody foolish or brave enough to get completely exposed to it after yanking open a control panel in the Console (Rose nearly died and the Doctor had to sacrifice a Generation after absorbing it).
And you'll notice I didn't complain about those so much. Beyond the general theme of 'all problems except cannibalism in Torchwood are the direct fault of the innuendo squad.'The nanogenes were the problem and the solution, not unlike Torchwood's control levers for the dimension porthole in "AoG/DD" (ditto for the Paradox Machine and Angel Network, but that sort of story mechanism was getting tiring, and repetitive the fourth or fifth time it occured in "LotTL").
You really want them to blow half a season's budget on a swamp planet?A few more infuriating opinions:
* Collin Baker may have been arguably the worst Doctor through either bad acting or bad writing, but the rabid vitriol he too often receives from fandom seems utterly disgusting and unwarranted, especially after I learned that he suffered tremendous personal tragedy not of his own making…
* The Raxacoricofallapatorians are a decent semi-comical species and that Raxacoricofallapatorius should be visited in future episodes, becoming a main focus of the alien worlds after Gallifrey and Skaro have both gone bye-bye.
There were a number of things I liked about Last of the Time Lords, ranging from the antics of the Master to an appropriate use of a technical term and a measurement, and covering a number of other things. That's not really a fringe opinion. Most people here seem only to dislike his stupid and overcomplex plan.* “Last of the Time Lords” deserves to be seen as a overly ambitious, sickly sweet, overwritten mess with a few plot holes, and a genuine cop out ending, but that doesn’t stop it from being a hugely entertaining and endlessly inventive episode.
I frequently go to a club where we do this. Last thursday I spent quite a bit of time mocking the fact that every Silurian appears to be doing some kind of dance when it moves.* Poor special effects, cheesy costumes and very cheap sets can cause almost as much damage as poor script writing and bad acting, with even the most epic and well thought out episodes getting sullied as well (but at least you can do sarcastic MT3K-style commentary in many of the old DW episodes).
I hope so.* Catherine Tate is the most highly experienced and multitalented regular actress to date, she is inevitably going to be given better material than what she usually gets in in her mediocre comedy show, and she is going to prove all those hecklers wrong.
See the thing with unknowns, is that it's hard to tell what they're going to do.* I want a young (but talented) relative unknown to take over as producer after RTD goes, to give the franchise a genuinely fresh perspective (but still have Moffat and Cornell on the team).
And yet you'd also like good sets and alien costumes...* Strike a balance between contemporary Earth and alien settings, with less focus on Earth time travelling.
It's UNIT. Being subverted by the Master is practically in its charter.* I far prefer Tom Baker in recent years as a eccentric but gravitas heavy narrator instead of the Doctor.
* I liked UNIT’s flagship, Valiant, and it was good to see UNIT literally on top of it’s game again (despite being subverted from within by the Master).
* Russell T. Davies is a more competent and creative Jonathan Nathan Turner.
*Slices open a lamb with a obsidian dagger, dripping it's blood onto a hex drawn into the ground*NecronLord wrote: She was literally a god out of the machine. The plot's about to go to hell, then a diety appears on stage, intervenes, and makes it all better. Rose God of Thunder fits the term in the most direct sense imaginable.
If she did something clever - like use that knowledge of time and space to procure some way of refining a delta wave - it wouldn't be so bad. But no, she literally comes on, with the powers of a god, and wipes away the villains with a wave of her hand.
Want to know the really pathetic thing? I've seen character absorbs the vortex and becomes a vengeful god done much better. And so had RTD, at that point. The Eigth doctor does it in the comic strip The Flood and wipes out a cyberman ship¹. The difference is, he doesn't manage to save everyone, he doesn't regenerate² and he has to give up that power in order to save his companion from certain death.
They basically copied it out of a comic book, and made it worse. Not only does it literally fit the origin of Deus Ex Mechanica (though I suppose she really should have descended on wires for that) but it's an inferior copy of a comic book.
¹ I like to imagine that's what Tennant's 'If a Time Lord did that, he'd become a god... A vengeful god.' line is about.
² Though they were going to have it force a regeneration, even wrote a script for it, and show him becoming Ecclestone, RTD wouldn't let them, as the Ninth Doctor was only to be depicted with Rose.
"Last of the Time Lords" would've been improved if that one tenth of humanity wiped out by the Toclafane remained dead, with the cities totally in ruin after the Master was defeated, instead of having Earth magically return back to normal after just shooting up the Paradox Machine, forcing the show to be far less Earth bound, and perhaps making humanity a lot less powerful as a future species (but RTD was too cowardly to let that happen).Last of the Time Lords would have been greatly improved if the Archangel network apotheosis had been only one of several plans the Doctor had concieved.
If they wanted their hard, dangerous 'Family of Blood' torturing Doctor, they could have suggested that he'd suggested Martha sabotage one of the rockets, too, so that the Earth would implode into a black hole if it was launched. On the basis that it would be better to destroy even Earth than let the Master start his war.
But hey, he thinks humanity is 'powerful' when they're going to spend the next three thousand years getting raped by everyone from the Draconians to solar flares to Daleks to space plagues to tinfoil viruses. ZOMG TWINKED! And being gravel-pit bound guys with AKs in 100,000,000,000 that's way too powerful man, should be more like 'atomic to galactic player in three years' SG1 am I right? 
Er humanity weren't raped by the Draconians, the war ended in a draw, and if by tinfoil viruses you mean "The invisible enemy" that kind of was destroyed by the Doctor before it could really hurt humanity.Stark wrote: Clearly, by 'better' he means 'more like what I want'.
Speaking of which, have we seen much of the 'ol rock quary of the far off world of tomorrow? New-Who has been rather sparce with these, despite the crucial roles they clearly played in Old-Who. Maybe most of them were destroyed in the Time War...Stark wrote:I hear being Earth-bound is totally the biggest problem the show has and destroying the whole planet just to force the show into 'exactly the same stories as before but in an ALIEN SHOP and an ALIEN SEWER and an ALIEN GRAVEL PIT is totally the way to make Last of the Time Lords better.
I thought that was quite a catching show and I really liked to cheer on the Baileys, too bad it didn't have a second seasonStark wrote:Poor quality shows are the fault of PEOPLE LIKE YOU. Go watch Cleopatra 2525 or something. Get laid, even.
Sorry, I forgot I was in OSF for a second there.
