Predator vs. Boba Fett

[Graeme Dice]

Even if his invisibility cloak is bulletproof, it wouldn't make a bit of to the outcome of this fight. Fett is not restricted to the visual spectrum, so he can see the Predator. Further, all it would take is a single hit from a handgun to kill him, let alone the rifle Fett carries. A weapon that can kill and stop a creature larger and angrier than a rhino will kill a predator just as easily.

[Darth Wong]

Well, we now know you skim responses and don't even relise I've agreed its more likley that his skin is mearly resestant to small calbar bullets and I don't even think either effect would stop a blaster. I contuned to see you contunied to flame even though they won... But I hardly ecepted you to miss it. Allwell to err is human.

Well, now we know you're too fucking stupid to read. Who said anything about blasters? You're still claiming the cloak is bulletproof, and the burden of proof is still on you, dumb-ass.

[Darth_Shinji]

Well, we now know you skim responses and don't even relise I've agreed its more likley that his skin is mearly resestant to small calbar bullets and I don't even think either effect would stop a blaster. I contuned to see you contunied to flame even though they won... But I hardly ecepted you to miss it. Allwell to err is human.

Well, now we know you're too fucking stupid to read. Who said anything about blasters? You're still claiming the cloak is bulletproof, and the burden of proof is still on you, dumb-ass.

I'm claiming the scene exists and that people noticed it. Vympel also mentioned the scene in question. So it exists. And apperently you missed that I conceeded the main fact about that ability that troubled vympel. So.... your problem? What you want me to conceed that the scene happened? Then POST THE SCENES YOU TALKED ABOUT! YOU SAID THE PRED WAS HIT BY SHOTGUN BLASTS.... PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE PLEASE.

[Darth_Shinji]

I'm tried of these unreasonable claims. This isn't about evedence. In the begining of this debate people were content to heads peoples words. Serval people provided evedence to there points with written descriptions of scenes that backed them up. Including Darth Wong. Now I'm being hangled by people for following suite and being incapalbe of posting said scenes. This isn't about providing evedence... This is about people doind one thing and then saying it is invald. So I'm leaving this debate conceeding nothing. If I get the dvd or the ability to rent the dvd... I'll post it just for sake that I might be wrong sometimes but I stand against people who do one thing and then make a request that apperently they don't have to follow.

Good Day.

[beyond hope]

I'm tried of these unreasonable claims. This isn't about evedence. In the begining of this debate people were content to heads peoples words. Serval people provided evedence to there points with written descriptions of scenes that backed them up. Including Darth Wong. Now I'm being hangled by people for following suite and being incapalbe of posting said scenes. This isn't about providing evedence... This is about people doind one thing and then saying it is invald. So I'm leaving this debate conceeding nothing. If I get the dvd or the ability to rent the dvd... I'll post it just for sake that I might be wrong sometimes but I stand against people who do one thing and then make a request that apperently they don't have to follow.

Good Day.

Dude, no offense but step away from the PC and take a deep breath. People in the debate have been content to take statements on the capabilities of Boba Fett and the Pred earlier because we were debating *known* capabilities of both: you were arguing for an entirely new capability for the cloak, and thus as many people have already said the burden of proof is on you to put some evidence forward to defend the claim. I know this is gonna come across as an offensive comparison, but what you're doing with the bulletproof cloak is akin to the kinds of claims we get from Rabid Trekkies. I'm a big Pred fan too: sometimes you just have to accept the fact that characters out of other sci-fi universes can own your favorite.

[AdmiralKanos]

I'm tried of these unreasonable claims. This isn't about evedence. In the begining of this debate people were content to heads peoples words. Serval people provided evedence to there points with written descriptions of scenes that backed them up. Including Darth Wong. Now I'm being hangled by people for following suite and being incapalbe of posting said scenes. This isn't about providing evedence... This is about people doind one thing and then saying it is invald. So I'm leaving this debate conceeding nothing. If I get the dvd or the ability to rent the dvd... I'll post it just for sake that I might be wrong sometimes but I stand against people who do one thing and then make a request that apperently they don't have to follow.

Good Day.

What part of the "burden of proof" fallacy escapes you? When trying to prove the existence of a heretofore unrecognized capability, you must provide the evidence. Deal with it. As Carl Sagan said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[Patrick Degan]

If it bleeds, we can kill it.

This is one of the signature tag-lines from the movie Predator. Arnold says this after they spot the luminicent blood of the alien on a leaf, after the commando team sprayed 40 square metres with ordinance for three minutes. The alien's cloaking field is clearly not bullet-proof; elsewise the alien would not have been wounded.

[Darth_Shinji]

I'm tried of these unreasonable claims. This isn't about evedence. In the begining of this debate people were content to heads peoples words. Serval people provided evedence to there points with written descriptions of scenes that backed them up. Including Darth Wong. Now I'm being hangled by people for following suite and being incapalbe of posting said scenes. This isn't about providing evedence... This is about people doind one thing and then saying it is invald. So I'm leaving this debate conceeding nothing. If I get the dvd or the ability to rent the dvd... I'll post it just for sake that I might be wrong sometimes but I stand against people who do one thing and then make a request that apperently they don't have to follow.

Good Day.

Dude, no offense but step away from the PC and take a deep breath. People in the debate have been content to take statements on the capabilities of Boba Fett and the Pred earlier because we were debating *known* capabilities of both: you were arguing for an entirely new capability for the cloak, and thus as many people have already said the burden of proof is on you to put some evidence forward to defend the claim. I know this is gonna come across as an offensive comparison, but what you're doing with the bulletproof cloak is akin to the kinds of claims we get from Rabid Trekkies. I'm a big Pred fan too: sometimes you just have to accept the fact that characters out of other sci-fi universes can own your favorite.

First off, not too long ago I agreed that it was prob preds skin. In a reply to you in fact. So not only did I basacly conceed the point, I though you knew the scene in question... so why do I have to post a scene you've scene before? our be discredited? Vympel deffinatly watched it and gave in to my logic of where the bullets were hitting.

And why is that like a rapid trekkie? Even if this is the way things done... and I should be able to provide evidence.... Why am I'm being flamed so bad and called a trekkie? Most of these debats hardly ever need or asked for scene shots. And then I'm a fan-whore becuase I didn't relise the point was so contrvesal that I needed to be able to provide additional proof for my evedence? And on top of that these people think I'm using some sort of tatic in instead of stating the simple truth that I canot get a dvd copy to post it? Though I do not take offensive. Unlike most people discussing this, you havn't flamed me and generaly acted worse than anything you evered called me.... So if this is you honest opionion that I'm being trekkish I'll take that as an honest opionion. Thuogh I disagree.

And I totaly except that pred can get his ass beaten. And that Fett would win a sniper or gun battle. But not a melee, or hth battle. If you look closer its not my stance thats under attack. Just my old belief in the secound preds cloak having a bullet proof effect to make up for his being a more inexpeirenced hunter. And it was only after I rebuttal any oposition to my point that they demanded evedence.... So it was okay at first to post this but not know without evedence? I someone asked me in the begining when I first posted the point I would of conceeded that I couldn't do that and moved on. But all of a sudden they demanded it in mid-debate and flame me when I couldn't? Who's actions are more childish?

Please respond.

[Vympel]

First off, not too long ago I agreed that it was prob preds skin. In a reply to you in fact. So not only did I basacly conceed the point, I though you knew the scene in question... so why do I have to post a scene you've scene before? our be discredited? Vympel deffinatly watched it and gave in to my logic of where the bullets were hitting.

I did no such thing. Where he drew a bead does not mean he hit places that weren't armored, because we can't see it. It's speculation. For the bullets to not penetrate his skin, also, I would have to know that Danny Glover's pistol is more powerful than Bill Paxton's pistol- Danny Glover's does wound the Predator on the rooftop, IIRC.

[Darth_Shinji]

First off, not too long ago I agreed that it was prob preds skin. In a reply to you in fact. So not only did I basacly conceed the point, I though you knew the scene in question... so why do I have to post a scene you've scene before? our be discredited? Vympel deffinatly watched it and gave in to my logic of where the bullets were hitting.

I did no such thing. Where he drew a bead does not mean he hit places that weren't armored, because we can't see it. It's speculation. For the bullets to not penetrate his skin, also, I would have to know that Danny Glover's pistol is more powerful than Bill Paxton's pistol- Danny Glover's does wound the Predator on the rooftop, IIRC.

May I suggest repling oh.... sooner? And its not speculation... its you claiming that billie can hit better in a more unstable position on a moving train than a more stable position on a moving train. Its also clear those bullets were going straight done the hallway when the Pred itself was staight done the hallway. We see that from the girls point of view.

[Vympel]

May I suggest repling oh.... sooner?

I do have other things to do.

And its not speculation... its you claiming that billie can hit better in a more unstable position on a moving train than a more stable position on a moving train. Its also clear those bullets were going straight done the hallway when the Pred itself was staight done the hallway. We see that from the girls point of view.

Without seeing where the bullets impacted ourselves, that's exactly what it is. For all we know, the bullets could've been hitting the Predator's gauntlets, or the Predator's armored codpiece (the thing that protects his alien genitals ) or even could've been misisng- bullets are not magic, even with the best aim.

[Darth Wong]

Its also clear those bullets were going straight done the hallway when the Pred itself was staight done the hallway.

Wow, you can actually see the bullets in flight? That's amazing. All I saw was a handgun and a flash. You must have an amazing home theatre setup to see the movement of the actual bullets (either that, or you're not thinking straight).

PS. I'll assume you meant "down" instead of "done".

[Boba Fett]

Wow I haven't watched this thread for a couple of days...

Where's this bulletproof cloaking device idiocy is coming from?

[SirNitram]

I see he's run away from the Lightning Bolt vs. Blaster Bolt attempt he made. Not surprising.

[Darth_Shinji]

I see he's run away from the Lightning Bolt vs. Blaster Bolt attempt he made. Not surprising.

I agreed with your comparition is was an honest qeustion.... no need for hostility.

[Darth_Shinji]

Its also clear those bullets were going straight done the hallway when the Pred itself was staight done the hallway.

Wow, you can actually see the bullets in flight? That's amazing. All I saw was a handgun and a flash. You must have an amazing home theatre setup to see the movement of the actual bullets (either that, or you're not thinking straight).

PS. I'll assume you meant "down" instead of "done".

We know where he is, we know were the gun is pointed and we know where the predator is. I'll check some websites and see if I can find where those bullets should be going towards. Though to be truefull if I had the dvd this would be easier to do.

And thanks for the return to the question at hand... would you like me to conceed the point till I can get screen shots? I will be willing to do that... but I want this flaming of me to stop on this thread. It was a mistake made in honesty, not a troll tatic.

[SirNitram]

I see he's run away from the Lightning Bolt vs. Blaster Bolt attempt he made. Not surprising.

I agreed with your comparition is was an honest qeustion.... no need for hostility.

You earned taunting when you began demanding people agree with your interpretation with the train scene.

[Lord Pounder]

Darth_Shinji i suggest you concede now. You are daming the Darth Title. You are making assumptions and not providing one shread of evidence to prove how you work the assumption out. This makes you a troll of Dark Star proportions in that you are basically saying that is fact coz you say so.

Provide a pic showing bullets bouncing off the cloak untill then STFU. You are trying to say that a Predator is invunerable to a Blaster bolt just coz it took a Lightenign bolt. My interperation of that scene was that it was actually using the lightening to re-charge it's equipment.

The fact of the matter is Danny Glover's character handed the Predator it's own ass. He pluged it severl good shots and the Predator ran. Glover chased it into it's own ship and proceeded to slice him in have with a frizbee.

[Slartibartfast]

You have "provided" Jack and Shit. And Jack just left town.

Still funny. But unimagintive on your part.

Hm, you are attacking my imagination instead of my arguments? How sad. Ok, here it is, more "imaginative": you are a complete retard.

You have only mentioned evidence, and we are all supposed to assume that you aren't imagining it, because you refuse to show screenshots, or rent a DVD or whatever, and then have the * (don't know the english word) to claim that it is unfair for us to demand that you show us the famous anti-bullet cloak.

So you are going to hold me to this request and not your fellow warsies? Fasinating. And I haven't refused anything. I'm simple incample at the moment of doing so. Maybe if I do get the opptuninty to I will get it eventaully. More for my sake then your trollish tatics. I will be sure to post said screen shot.[/quote]

My "fellow warsies"? Who says I'm a warsie. I'm more anti-lame than pro-anything. It's not my fault that Trek and Predator so often fall in the lame category.

Here's 2 cents, buy yourself a clue: you need to provide the evidence that shows that the scene is completely different than EVERYONE ELSE remembers. If I agree with somebody else, and remember the scene the SAME way, I'm not going to ask them to PROVE that it happened, dumbshit.

Trollish tactics? Stop calling the kettle black, Mr. Pot.

And crying that "people is flaming because they know they're wrong!" is one of many famous DarkStar tactics, and it gets you and us nowhere. You make up shit (like saying that there is a force field around the pred, which isn't backed up with anything, and even your so-called "evidence" is dubious and inconclusive) and are we supposed to be nice and happy while you bullshit us?

How is it dubios? None of you people attack the scene yourselves... Just say I need to post it and take advantage of the fact that I can't. I'm sure you would post it if you found the scene to not follow my description of events. But you can't so you call me a darkstar becuase I can't do a rather unreasonble request for something as insiginfigate as this past-time anyway. But I would if I could.[/quote]

It seems that you think you can claim that you speak the truth by default. Guess what: it doesn't work that way, moron. And being a total ass about it doesn't help your case, either.

You refuse to show the scene. Hence, the scene might as well not exist. Therefore, there is no scene to attack. Show us a scene, show your arguments in an intelligent way, and most of all:

STOP WHINING YOU ARSEHAT!

[Durandal]

He's also managed to ignore the fact that a cloaked Predator was shot and bled. I'm amazed at how long he's danced around this simple fact, which blows his claims completely out of the water.

[Darth_Shinji]

He's also managed to ignore the fact that a cloaked Predator was shot and bled. I'm amazed at how long he's danced around this simple fact, which blows his claims completely out of the water.

Consider the fact that I already replyed to that post..... *shakes head*

[Slartibartfast]

First off, not too long ago I agreed that it was prob preds skin. In a reply to you in fact. So not only did I basacly conceed the point, I though you knew the scene in question... so why do I have to post a scene you've scene before? our be discredited? Vympel deffinatly watched it and gave in to my logic of where the bullets were hitting.

You were CLAIMING that it was unnecessary to show the scene BEFORE you had conceeded, and that we had to believe you blindly, idiot! Just because you conceed doesn't change the fact that you were being illogical when you were claiming that WE HAD THE FUCKING BURDEN OF PROOF!

Get this in your head: even if it HAD BEEN TRUE, your insistence that we looked it up ourselves because you couldn't be bothered was ALREADY A CONCESSION.

[Slartibartfast]

Shake it well, maybe something will connect up there

[Darth_Shinji]

First off, not too long ago I agreed that it was prob preds skin. In a reply to you in fact. So not only did I basacly conceed the point, I though you knew the scene in question... so why do I have to post a scene you've scene before? our be discredited? Vympel deffinatly watched it and gave in to my logic of where the bullets were hitting.

You were CLAIMING that it was unnecessary to show the scene BEFORE you had conceeded, and that we had to believe you blindly, idiot! Just because you conceed doesn't change the fact that you were being illogical when you were claiming that WE HAD THE FUCKING BURDEN OF PROOF!

I was claiming that becuse it was true. Other people did the same thing and I don't see you flaiming them? Is the fact that they are on your side have anything to do with it? And the matter is done.

Get this in your head: even if it HAD BEEN TRUE, your insistence that we looked it up ourselves because you couldn't be bothered was ALREADY A CONCESSION.

I never said I couldn't be bothered... So you just lied. I don't have to conceed the true it stands for itself.... and read the rest of the thread numbnuts.... you missed something important.

[Darth_Shinji]

First off, not too long ago I agreed that it was prob preds skin. In a reply to you in fact. So not only did I basacly conceed the point, I though you knew the scene in question... so why do I have to post a scene you've scene before? our be discredited? Vympel deffinatly watched it and gave in to my logic of where the bullets were hitting.

You were CLAIMING that it was unnecessary to show the scene BEFORE you had conceeded, and that we had to believe you blindly, idiot! Just because you conceed doesn't change the fact that you were being illogical when you were claiming that WE HAD THE FUCKING BURDEN OF PROOF!

I was claiming that becuse it was true. Other people did the same thing and I don't see you flaiming them? Is the fact that they are on your side have anything to do with it? And the matter is done.

Get this in your head: even if it HAD BEEN TRUE, your insistence that we looked it up ourselves because you couldn't be bothered was ALREADY A CONCESSION.

I never said I couldn't be bothered... So you just lied. I don't have to conceed the true it stands for itself.... and read the rest of the thread numbnuts.... you missed something important.