Who stomps ST faster, the CIS or the Republic?

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Who stomps ST faster, the CIS or the Republic?

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So if a wormhole opened up connecting the Delta Quadrant with the SW Galaxy, who would the Trekkies have more of a chance with in a war?
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Trek would have a better chance facing the Republic, mainly since the jedi will urge them to making peace with most of the local powers, unlike the CIS which would have no problem invading for reasourse and such. Unless the Borg screw it up Trek has a beter chance against the Republic [though not much better].
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Against the CIS, the Borg will be literally fucked: IF they manage to abord a ship, they cannot assimilate even the battledroid Mk. I, so I suppose that the drones will waste all their remaining life time trying to assimilate robots who will fire to kill. In this case, Picard will sit near Q to taste the show with some gallons of tea Earl Grey.
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Assuming it's at the end of the war, rather than at the beginning (where I think the Republic's meant to have been horrendously under-militrised) I'd say it's pretty much even. Though the Jedi might want to make peace, the Republic is under the control of an insane, evil old man, and his cliqué of fascist traitors, so I doubt either side would, after shooting starts, accept anything short of complete surrender.
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which republic are talking about here, the post Ruusan demilitarized republic or the late clone wars fully militarized republic?
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CIS especially if they can build a few droid factories in the Milky way galaxy. They set a planet up like Genosis appeared to be and they can bury their enemies in sheer numbers.
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Lord Revan wrote:which republic are talking about here, the post Ruusan demilitarized republic or the late clone wars fully militarized republic?
I'm assuming the latter, otherwise the comparison with the CIS makes little sense.
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Typhonis 1 wrote:CIS especially if they can build a few droid factories in the Milky way galaxy. They set a planet up like Genosis appeared to be and they can bury their enemies in sheer numbers.
Especially considering the fact that the Republic was able to hold their own against the droids because of the great kill ratio they had. ST foot soldiers? No such advantage.
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If it was all out conflict no holds barred it would be relatively even honors the CIS has sophisticated battledroids, superb technology and a large fleet. The Republic has legions of purpose rared clones with extensive training, excelent equipment and an enormous fleet of trend setting warships. Either power would curb stomp trek in short order. If all their combat power was brought to bear it would be hours at most or minutes at best before the federation simply ceases to exist.

The federation has no real chance - this is like a cage fight with a pack of starving lions when you all alone have just your bare hands tied behind your back.

Jedi are for the moment irrelevent as it is simply crush the federation they have no real need to be there. And would only enhance the republic if they were experienced.

If either power had to fight all the AQ (minus of course Q and such who probably wouldnt care either way) the result would be the same but the time scale different. Star wars equipment is powerful, well designed combat tested amd inspired. The tech base is so far in advance of Trek that your not in the same ball park, and production levels are beyond all comparison. The biggest advantage the federation gets is short, central lines of communiccation. If the other powers are involved all the advantage evaporates as each tries to use the situation to their benefit (look at the dominion war none of the powers actually integrated command or control).
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The Republic is portrayed as having a naval advantage over the CIS, "outer rim sieges" and all that. They are probably in a better position to spare a few ships to go kick ass and take names. Furthermore, naval superiority is conductive to faster curb stomps. Especially in Trek where apparently deploying large ground armies is anathema to them.
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Although the Republic has the naval edge over the CIS, both sides have a massive edge over Trek. With automated soldiers that don't require food, water, sleep, or shore leave, and wielding a variety of weapons on a completely different level than anything in Trek...well...It wouldn't take very long at all.
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I say the CIS, especially with Grievous in command of the CIS Expeditionary Force-- they're more ruthless. If the ST forces don't surrender after the first mass murder-- by orbital bombardment, the use of biological and chemical weapons, or just having the battledroids spray and pray all over the major population centers-- then the CIS would simply commit more mass murders, until the ST forces surrender unconditionally. The Jedi leading a Republic Expeditionary Force... Seriously, do you see them doing something like this for victory? (Besides Anakin, of course.)
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A Federation soldier would likely crap his drawers if he saw an army equivilent to the one from the Battle of Geonosis coming at his position. Either side would guarantee the same result. You either get millions of droids that won't tire for a very long time that will overwhelm you with sheer numbers, powerful weapons notwithstanding, or millions of clones with almost impenetrable armor and even more powerful weapons, along with an ability to clearly see through massive dust storms that would suffocate a UFP trooper.

Showing an army of such magnitude accompanied by dozens of ships larger than anything that the UFP could field effectively would either cause them to surrender within hours, at most days, or, less likely, cause them to think that it's a bluff and make some kind of assault where the "enemy forces" are "massing" only to run into a wall of turbolaser bolts.

The Romulans would probably try to negotiate. The CIS would either use them for cheap labor and resources or curbstomp them. The Republic would agree to a treaty on their own terms that will give them all the benefits while leaving the Romulans short-changed. The same could be expected if anyone else tries to negotiate with the Republic.

The Klingons? Please. Even they will realize after the first few gung-ho charges that they stand little to no chance against an enemy of such magnitude.

I'm not well-versed on Cardassians, so I'll leave them be.

Early Ferengi would be little danger. They would try to assault a frigate and fail miserably, then begrudgingly admit defeat. Post-DS9? They would make no attempt whatsoever to lift a finger to pull a trigger. Early attempts at negotiation would obviously fall in SW's favor, especially after they notice the funny-eared idiots trying to manipulate them to agreeing to their terms.

In short, it's generally even, though the CIS would be more willing to just shoot and say "Want to surrender now?"
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