Macross F (Frontier) information and preview video.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2007-11-10 05:45pm

VF5SS wrote:Actually the entire forward fuselage (the nose section really) just extends outwards on rails, does a 180, and then plugs back in.

Transforming toys for the VF-25 are likely going to fall apart if you sneeze real hard at it. (I had a Jetfire toy-- you know, the VF-1J with Autobot insignia on it-- fall apart after a friend tugged a little too hard while transforming it.) Not a good sign.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2007-11-10 06:00pm

VF5SS wrote:Here's a new scan of the VF-25 thanks to Mr. March of the Macross Mecha Manual.

Fighter and GERWALK modes look a lot like that of the Valkyries in 'Macross II'. Battroid mode looks a lot like that of the YF-19.

Dendrobius · Post by **Dendrobius** » 2007-11-10 08:11pm

I wouldn't worry about the transforming toy of the VF-25 falling apart by being sneezed at. I'm assuming you haven't seen or don't own any of the 1/48 Yamato VF-1s or the 1/60 VF-0 and SV-51? The VF-25 is pretty much the same deal as the SV-51 transformation wise, and that holds together pretty darn well. I've had my SV-51 do a swan dive from my display shelf and it still survived, although I did have a heart attack along the way.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2007-11-10 10:29pm

Sidewinder wrote: Transforming toys for the VF-25 are likely going to fall apart if you sneeze real hard at it. (I had a Jetfire toy-- you know, the VF-1J with Autobot insignia on it-- fall apart after a friend tugged a little too hard while transforming it.) Not a good sign.

Jetfire is a VF-1S. Get it right.

Valkyries have never been toy friendly. God bless em for that.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2007-11-10 10:33pm

VF5SS wrote:He's either moved on or has not been listed yet.

This worries me. Oh well, if Macross II did one thing it proved that the animators can reproduce his existing designs even when he's not around.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2007-11-10 11:20pm

Macross II proved that you can draw the Macross in Masami Obari styled and then blow it up real good. The Macross was the only thing from Miyatake in II. The rest is credited to Koichi Ohata and Kazumi Fujita. And I'm not what you mean by, "animators can reproduced his designs when he's not around." It's not like he was overseeing the animation of the original show. Unless you're confusing him with character designer Haruhiko Mikimoto who actually did work on the animation and was even one of the animation directors for DYRL.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2007-11-11 05:46pm

I seem to recall that Macross II showed some original Zentradi vessels in use by the UN Spacy.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-11-11 06:07pm

Doesn't Macross II not count or something like that?

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2007-11-11 06:17pm

Yeah there were some in the first Macross Cannon battle. I'm surprised you could see them with Manga's shitty VHS dump.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2007-11-11 06:19pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Doesn't Macross II not count or something like that?

Correct. Macross II (and some video games that it built off of and were in turn built off of it) were thrown into an alternate setting when Macross Plus came out. Some people argue it's a sequel to DYRL. It certainly plays out like a copy of DYRL at times.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2007-11-12 03:18pm

I see Macross II as more of an in-universe direct-to-DVD sequel to DYRL.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-11-12 03:33pm

Yeah but even in that case, like DYRL, that means it's still not really official.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2007-11-12 03:49pm

I see Macross II as a poor attempt by Big West to generate more music sales for JVC Victor. Well, I take that back. The music is ok, but there's something wrong when an OVA gets canned like two episodes in and then has to rush towards an ending. Also several million points for blowing up the Macross in a stupid plan.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2007-11-12 03:59pm

The VF-2SS was the only thing worth a shit from that show.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2007-11-12 04:28pm

I demand to see this NOW.

I also hope we see VF-21s and VF-19s in there somewhere.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-11-12 04:33pm

Would we, though? They'd be like 25-30 years old by then.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2007-11-12 04:41pm

If the VF-17 is in, they should be.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-11-12 04:50pm

Ah, well, I don't really know much about Macross beyond the original series.

I actually had to look those two fighters up.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2007-11-12 05:23pm

Quite frankly, if the utterly, vastly inferior VF-17 is still around, God knows there should be VF-19s and VF-21s. And while we're at it, maybe we'll see an X-9 Ghost in there somewhere? They might be turned off the idea seeing what happened at the end of Plus, but that wasn't really the fault of the Ghost.

I mean seriously - they were looking to replace the VF-17 decades before this series.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2007-11-12 05:33pm

Ford Prefect wrote:Quite frankly, if the utterly, vastly inferior VF-17 is still around, God knows there should be VF-19s and VF-21s. And while we're at it, maybe we'll see an X-9 Ghost in there somewhere? They might be turned off the idea seeing what happened at the end of Plus, but that wasn't really the fault of the Ghost.

I mean seriously - they were looking to replace the VF-17 decades before this series.

Their colony ship looks like some derivative of the Megaroad class. Lots about this mission seem to speak retro. Else why wouldn't it be a City-Ship fleet like in that godawful Macross 7 show?

Grasscutter · Post by **Grasscutter** » 2007-11-12 05:39pm

Ford Prefect wrote:Quite frankly, if the utterly, vastly inferior VF-17 is still around, God knows there should be VF-19s and VF-21s. And while we're at it, maybe we'll see an X-9 Ghost in there somewhere? They might be turned off the idea seeing what happened at the end of Plus, but that wasn't really the fault of the Ghost.

I mean seriously - they were looking to replace the VF-17 decades before this series.

If there are VF-17s still in service, we really should be seeing VF-19s since they were designed to be the VF-11's replacement as the main U.N. Spacy frontline fighter. The VF-17 was a stealth special-ops fighter and was supposed to be supplemented/replaced with the YF-21/VF-22.

I guess in Macross F the VF-25 could have already replaced the VF-19 as the main fighter, and the VF-17 hasn't been fully replaced (by the VF-22 or any other fighters) as the stealth special-ops fighter.

I don't know how I feel about the VF-25's design, it feels less "advanced" somehow compared to the VF-19 and VF-22. I guess it's because the wings resemble those of the VF-1 or F-14 so much.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2007-11-12 05:39pm

Nephtys wrote:Their colony ship looks like some derivative of the Megaroad class. Lots about this mission seem to speak retro. Else why wouldn't it be a City-Ship fleet like in that godawful Macross 7 show?

There is actually a Macross class colony ship in that fleet (you can see it in the background). This would make it similar to the Macross 7 fleet, which only had a single Macross class colony ship as well.

Regardless, they have VF-25s. It seems odd to be using fighters from two generations previous to them, especially considering how utterly useless VF-17s were in comparison to the 19/21 (even if they had to scale back their capabilities for mass production, they'd still shit on the 17 from a great height).

CycloneRider052 · Post by **CycloneRider052** » 2007-11-12 07:29pm

Here's hoping it's closer to the original series and Plus than to 7 and Zero, though if they just keep out anything remotely close to Basara and Spiritia they'll be good to go.

Here's also hoping through some sort of magic this get's a domestic DVD release.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2007-11-12 07:46pm

Hell, Miriya still had her own VF-1J in Macross 7.

And according to the Macross Compendium there was a "modernized version with completely upgraded materials, avionics and power plants" called the VF-1X. It even had upgraded FAST packs with missiles in the leg armor.

It's like a Strike Valkyie on steroids.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2007-11-12 07:58pm

Grasscutter wrote:If there are VF-17s still in service, we really should be seeing VF-19s since they were designed to be the VF-11's replacement as the main U.N. Spacy frontline fighter. The VF-17 was a stealth special-ops fighter and was supposed to be supplemented/replaced with the YF-21/VF-22.

First off, there's a screw-up on my part. I got the VF-17 and VF-11 mixed up.

It was my understanding from Plus that Project Super Nova was intended to choose the UN Spacy's next mainline fighter, either the 19 or 21. The YF-19 and YF-21 were both actually very similar: the major differences were of course the control systems*, though the 19 had better performance (not massively better, and more than made up for by General Galaxy's BDI technology, and more a function of needing to keep the pilot alive) and the 21 had stealth capabilities which were presumably better than the 19.

Project Super Nova didn't actually finish, of course, which might have contributed to it, but I really wouldn't have expected to see the 17 still in service 9or the 11, incidentally). What's the point? The 19 and 21 are both fold capable fighters with much greater performance.

*The VF-25 better have a 19 styled cockpit, for great justice.