Samus Aran vs Boba Fett

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-16 07:40pm

Yogi wrote: There you go. Energy from Lava is more than Vader can absorb. Vader can absorb blaster bolts (unless you would like to say it was Vader's armor absorbing it, which opens up a whole new can of worms elsewhere). Samus > Lava > Vader > Blaster.
I wouldn't know about Thermal Detnators. How much damage do you take sitting under 25 ft of lava, since that's the amount of damage the Thermal Detnator will have to overcome, just do deal ONE point of 200+ damage needed to bring her down.

Bullshit. Lava isn't megajoule level energy. Anakin/Vader is not canon yet and he was younger then anyway. We don't know the circumstances.

Thermal detonators are small-scale fusion weapons that delete floors from a hugely massive and dense structure like Xizor's castle. Samus dies.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-16 08:06pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Bullshit. Lava isn't megajoule level energy. Anakin/Vader is not canon yet and he was younger then anyway. We don't know the circumstances.

That may be true. What continuity are you using for cannonity anyway?

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Thermal detonators are small-scale fusion weapons that delete floors from a hugely massive and dense structure like Xizor's castle. Samus dies.

That, I haven't heard about before. Which continuity are you using?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-16 08:07pm

RoTJ novel for the Vader bit.

Shadows of the Empire for the Thermal detonator bit.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-16 08:41pm

Ghost Rider wrote:RoTJ novel for the Vader bit.

Wait, so it DOES say that Vader was tossed into a vat of Lava?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-16 08:47pm

Yogi wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Bullshit. Lava isn't megajoule level energy. Anakin/Vader is not canon yet and he was younger then anyway. We don't know the circumstances.
That may be true. What continuity are you using for cannonity anyway?

I'm saying its too unsure and nebulous to make calcs and assumptions based on it.

"memories of molten lava crawling up his back...no" doesn't constitute enough for debating what you were trying to say.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-16 08:47pm

Yogi wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:RoTJ novel for the Vader bit.
Wait, so it DOES say that Vader was tossed into a vat of Lava?

Yes and No. He was tossed into some sort of burning pit. Lava, metal, or a reactor.

According to Curtis Saxton, the injuries appear more consistant with a reactor than anything else.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-01-16 09:10pm

We're not discussing vader here. But to my knowledge he was pushed into the pit when he was anakin, and had to be cyberfied to survive. But we're discussing boba...
Fett's armor is a, possiblely upgraded, but basically the equivalent to the armor of a very supped up clone trooper. His armor is probably 2x stronger but this does not say much.
Illuminatus Primus:
No lava is not at the mJ level, but it is .2mW and that is a lot of energy, over the course of however long this is happening she is either reflecting or absorbing several times the amount of energy of a thermal detonator. And if TDs were possible of fusion or fission reations then they would more likely destroy the user if this is in close combat, which it is. To wit, the closest thing to a thermal detonator that we see in the movies is the missle in the backpack.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-16 09:27pm

Syntax: We know that thermal detonators do produce a very intense but limited fusion reaction. Deal with it.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-01-16 11:34pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote: Thermal detonators are small-scale fusion weapons that delete floors from a hugely massive and dense structure like Xizor's castle. Samus dies.

Uh, that was an industrial-strength detonator or something. The sort of thermal detonator one would use in bounty hunting would be a fraction of it's power, unless you were trying to destroy some sort of vehicle or building.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-16 11:39pm

Actually it wasn't noted to being any different.

Seriously they only say Thermal Detonator...to presume it's any different than what Boussh used is a bit of a leap given that none of it was mentioned nor was Leia or Xizor surprised at the results.

Tatterdemalion · Post by **Tatterdemalion** » 2003-01-17 02:50am

BTW purely out of curiosity here, what's the radius of a thermal detonators blast? I mean, is it sufficiently large that Samus couldn't just space jump out of it's way?

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2003-01-17 09:37am

Ghost Rider wrote:Actually it wasn't noted to being any different.

Seriously they only say Thermal Detonator...to presume it's any different than what Boussh used is a bit of a leap given that none of it was mentioned nor was Leia or Xizor surprised at the results.

Are we talking about the one used in Shadows of the Empire.

IIRC, that was one of a bunch bought by Luke/Chewy/Lando IIRC using Leias money.

They were "Class A" Thermal detonators i.e. big boom ones and one of them was infact the T-Det that Leia used when pretending to be Boush, because she pocketed one and they said " Well, we used your money to buy them anyway"

These Class A T-dets were the ones used to take out the supports on Xizors Bachelor pad.

LMSx · Post by **LMSx** » 2003-01-19 01:58am

Gun-slinging, Boba Fett is horribly outmatched. He can jetpack away from Samus, but she has a Grapple Beam to draw him back in.

Now call me crazy, but unless Fett wants to go Kamikaze on (in?

) Samus's ass, he has to *get away* from a Thermal Detonator exploding.

In Metroid Prime, the Wave Beam disrupts electronic devices. Fett's headset would malfunction, removing 360* vision. Super Missiles can home in on objects, the Wavebuster can track Fett close range, the Ice Spreader can freeze Fett over a large area, Flamethrower.....well, Fett has one also, I think.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2003-01-19 06:57am

The last time I played Metroid, I got killed by a monster. I haven't played metroid prime or whichever game that lava-shield comes from, but I'm sure Samus can get killed by monsters in that game too. If lava can't get past that shield, but monsters can, then there have to be something weird with the shield. And if Samus can use all those weapons and shields and all that stuff, then she would be invincible, and the game would suck horribly.

Maybe we should compare Fett's abilities to that of the monsters. If Fett is better then the monsters, then he should be able to kill Samus, since the monsters are able to kill Samus.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-01-19 03:10pm

Obviously you haven't played very far into a Metroid. At the start Boba could kick Samus's ass, but after she loads up on E.Tanks and gets her suit upgrades it's damn near impossible to get killed by a normal enemy. Around that time your fighting monsters that can fire weapons of equal to greater of the strength of your own.

I think the whole T.Det thing is over rated, the blast radius of the T.Det required to hit samus with out her escaping would be too large for boba to safely use in a fight or would require the situation to be boba is ambushing Samus, but in a one on one arena style fight they wouldn't be usable. As soon as Samus can get air born she's safe, screw attack.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2003-01-20 04:29pm

What if Fett sets his blaster to stun? The stun blast in Shadows of the Empire (the game) can stun stormtroopers so they should be able to stun Samus too.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2003-01-20 05:08pm

Dooey Jo wrote:What if Fett sets his blaster to stun? The stun blast in Shadows of the Empire (the game) can stun stormtroopers so they should be able to stun Samus too.

Stormy armor isn't power armor with energy shields.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2003-01-21 04:26pm

StarshipTitanic wrote:
Dooey Jo wrote:What if Fett sets his blaster to stun? The stun blast in Shadows of the Empire (the game) can stun stormtroopers so they should be able to stun Samus too.
Stormy armor isn't power armor with energy shields.

Does it matter? Monsters can kill Samus by just touching her, even if she has power armor (though it might take a while). Stormtrooper armor can take a blaster riqochette (sp?), as it is stated in the visual dictionary (at least I think it was the visual dictionary). I could be wrong, but I think a blaster bolt has more energy in it than those monsters...

Anyway, the outcome of the whole fight depends on who holds the controller

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-01-21 05:01pm

Storm trooper armor ricochets blaster fire to an extent, yes, but only if they blaster hits the armor, shoot in the cracks between the armor and that trooper has just lost whichever body part. Also the properties of stun blasts are very important. The stun blasts work like a giant wave of energy that hits the entire body, see the beginning of SW ep 4 to see what happens when a stun blast is used. Though it must have a very low range as it was not used to neutralize personel upon first entering the blockade runner.
Samus' armor is around and would not be breached. Throw a storm trooper into a pit of lava to find out what happens with their armor then. Monsters can get through her armor by damaging it physically, using acids, or heat beams, or by hitting her really hard. Read the bit on the SD.net site on the science of collisions.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-01-21 06:57pm

Dooey Jo wrote:
Does it matter? Monsters can kill Samus by just touching her, even if she has power armor (though it might take a while).

A very long while, also we don't know the exact specifics of these creatures. Also she doesn't just touch them, they are covered in spikes.

Stormtrooper armor can take a blaster riqochette (sp?), as it is stated in the visual dictionary (at least I think it was the visual dictionary). I could be wrong, but I think a blaster bolt has more energy in it than those monsters...
So, it takes a very long time for those mosters to to kill Samus, those spikes may have a acidic coating, but it's doubtful that it's only a physical attack seeing how her suit can take the pressures of being 10 meters deep under lava.

Anyway, the outcome of the whole fight depends on who holds the controller

This is the type of thinking that utter FUCKED over they X vs Samus thread, you can't apply gameplay mechanics to a fight like this.

Antie · Post by **Antie** » 2003-02-15 04:22am

Samus is 6' tall, weighing 200 pounds.

According to the Metroid II manual, her suit is 1 meter, 90 centimeters, and 90 kilograms. The people who wrote the Nintendo Power Super Metroid guide converted those figures to feet, inches, and pounds. They also made it seem like Samus herself was that tall and that massive.

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » 2003-02-15 05:23am

Anti... when in doubt, let dead threads lie...