Loose Change vs POpular Mechanics

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2007-11-14 08:48am

I've only watched up to part 3 of this so far, but the stupid fucking burns my balls.

I may not be bringing anything new to the table (I haven't kept up with all the wackaloon tales of holographic planes and such), but has any one of these idiots been called on these claims the "Truthers" hold so dear? If a cruise missile hit the Pentagon at the behest of Emperor Palpacheny, why would they take a chance on hundreds of witnesses SEEING a cruise missile?

And, the "84 videos" the government refuses to release; are we to believe that they shot a cruise missile at the Pentagon and then completely forgot that nearly 100 cameras are trained on that building? Huh? Why wouldn't they use the plane that indeed hit the Pentagon? What is the reasoning behind NOT hijacking the plane and using a cruise missile instead? More dramatic effect?

Why use a "military cargo plane with no windows" on the WTC, and not an actual commercial airliner? I just don't get this shit...

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2007-11-14 09:03am

Lord Poe wrote: Why use a "military cargo plane with no windows" on the WTC, and not an actual commercial airliner? I just don't get this shit...

This is actually pretty old, and it didn't get any less stupid with time.

The entire "conspiracy theory" is so completely inconsistent that it's nothing but a joke.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2007-11-14 09:11am

I love this video about building 7:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G86yuunRBIw

And BTW, anyone else feel like bitchslapping that twat in the black shirt on the above videos?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-11-14 09:18am

What pisses me off about these people is the way they act so confident in their made-up versions of science and engineering, as if they've actually researched them. They even use the word "research", but it bears no resemblance to the way research is actually done. It basically just means "reading other peoples' opinions and deciding which one I like the best".

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2007-11-14 09:20am

Lord Poe wrote: And BTW, anyone else feel like bitchslapping that twat in the black shirt on the above videos?

Oh, totally. Jesus, that idiot annoyed the hell out of me.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2007-11-14 11:23am

I've seen enough and really, the people that mock these fuckers should get more creative. The loose change retards are all but claiming vast mind control was used and what we saw is a matrix illusion.

They are like the people who claim we couldn't of landed on the moon, because such events are beyond their small mind to comprehend.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2007-11-14 11:54am

Ghost Rider wrote:I've seen enough and really, the people that mock these fuckers should get more creative. The loose change retards are all but claiming vast mind control was used and what we saw is a matrix illusion.

They are like the people who claim we couldn't of landed on the moon, because such events are beyond their small mind to comprehend.

Oh, you want creative? Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxRvExqN7_E

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2007-11-14 12:27pm

I've debated these people at length on various boards, namely ones filled with otherwise intelligent freethinkers like IIDB.org, RichardDawkins.net and PeakOil.com. There always seems to be one or two that appear and later infect others with their ways. The strange thing is how something so stupid can be adopted by someone who can hold a debate on any other intellectual subject. It's like certain people are just susceptible to conspiracy theories, no matter how smart they can be on other topics e.g. Dr. Behe believing in Intelligent Design.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-11-14 12:33pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I've debated these people at length on various boards, namely ones filled with otherwise intelligent freethinkers like IIDB.org, RichardDawkins.net and PeakOil.com. There always seems to be one or two that appear and later infect others with their ways. The strange thing is how something so stupid can be adopted by someone who can hold a debate on any other intellectual subject. It's like certain people are just susceptible to conspiracy theories, no matter how smart they can be on other topics e.g. Dr. Behe believing in Intelligent Design.

While it's tempting to think of intelligence and logic as being innately connected, and while the former can certainly help one understand the latter, there is no reason why you can't have a person who is intelligent but also irrational. In many cases, they even realize that they're being illogical, and they simply declare that logic is too "constricting". You know, "think outside of the box" and all that.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2007-11-14 01:23pm

Ah, they put them back up. The copies of these that I posted back in 2006 were taken down; I don't think the originator liked the way the comments were headed.

Thanks for finding this again, Poe.

Here's the transcript if the videos are too much hassle.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2007-11-14 01:35pm

Darth Wong wrote: While it's tempting to think of intelligence and logic as being innately connected, and while the former can certainly help one understand the latter, there is no reason why you can't have a person who is intelligent but also irrational. In many cases, they even realize that they're being illogical, and they simply declare that logic is too "constricting". You know, "think outside of the box" and all that.

That is simply the only way anyone can accept religion and still also praise science. I've always made it a point of mine to note how a scientist cannot hold any faith when doing their job (bar Spinoza's God), and it would seem this duality of mind applies elsewhere. How else can people think nothing of an invisible, all powerful sky pixie and yet not shun science and technology as a Luddite?

Maybe they feel they're being smarter than others by jumping to obscure concepts that are only that way because only a retard would consider them useful.

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2007-11-14 04:55pm

In the case of believers of the 9/11 conspiracy, I get the feeling that a lot of them don't even think about it. To them, anything that's a bad mark against Bush is something to support, regardless of how absurd it is.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2007-11-14 05:07pm

observer_20000 wrote:In the case of believers of the 9/11 conspiracy, I get the feeling that a lot of them don't even think about it. To them, anything that's a bad mark against Bush is something to support, regardless of how absurd it is.

They're a fringe group of Bush admin. haters. Most everyone else believes the Bush admin. are the biggest fuck-ups the world has ever seen. Truthers do too, yet they allow that this same administration can concoct this super conspiracy.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2007-11-14 05:11pm

Lord Poe wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:I've seen enough and really, the people that mock these fuckers should get more creative. The loose change retards are all but claiming vast mind control was used and what we saw is a matrix illusion.

They are like the people who claim we couldn't of landed on the moon, because such events are beyond their small mind to comprehend.
Oh, you want creative? Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxRvExqN7_E

Good times.

Lord Poe wrote:They're a fringe group of Bush admin. haters. Most everyone else believes the Bush admin. are the biggest fuck-ups the world has ever seen. Truthers do too, yet they allow that this same administration can concoct this super conspiracy.

The funniest part is these people truly want us to believe that our government(with all it's warts, fuck ups and insanities) has not only pulled this massive cover up, but only THEY know the truth. Because the government is this lock step organization that no one betrays any secrets on any level....ever.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2007-11-14 07:16pm

What I don't understand is why it must be some grand conspiracy involving false aircraft, cruise missiles, and demolition charges. If I were to make a conspiracy theory, it would involve Bush and Co. knowing the attacks were going to happen and deliberately not doing anything about it. Or even take it a step further and say they orchestrated the whole thing. This allows for a far more subtle shadow government, a wheels within wheels type thing, rather than this ridiculous Big Brother in a clown suit. Furthermore, it has the advantage of being inherently unfalsifiable.

It would all still be bullshit, there's little or no evidence, and what little there is would inevitably be twisted and taken out of context. Not only that, I seriously doubt George Bush would pull off such a stunt even if he could. Yet it's far more internally consistent, it doesn't have all the "lolz I are fail engunerin'" factors that Loose Change, and similar, have. I find it very striking that a lot of conspiracy theories look like over the top parodies of themselves. Nazi Lizardmen living in the hollow Earth? Sound like bad fantasy? In a way it is, except that there are people who believe that shit.

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