Mecha Mortal Kombat

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2003-01-15 09:55am

Which Mech Team makes it out alive? And feel free to yell at me for any missed Mecha.

(Sorry I cannot include every Anime Mecha ever made, I can only go with the more "well Known" ones)

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-01-15 11:18am

Okay, but we can get after you for misspelling Macross, and leaving out Super Robots.

Then again, the Super Robots would clean up so fast, it's not even funny.

I would possibly give it to the Kaiju bots, except for mecha such as the SDF-1 Macross, the Turn A and Devil Gundams, and the Original Death Saurer. So overall, I don't know.

But Tokyo is now completely fucked.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-01-15 11:31am

SAMAS wrote:Okay, but we can get after you for misspelling Macross, and leaving out Super Robots. Then again, the Super Robots would clean up so fast, it's not even funny.

Gigantor is a super robot. But I don't remember enought of the series to say how powerful the robots get in that. So its either the Kaiju or the small number of uber gundams and ziods. And possible Eva unit 1.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2003-01-15 06:45pm

MACROSS CANNNNNOOOONNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!

unless you mean Devil Gundam, then there shall be fun

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-15 09:27pm

MP Evas: Slice them, dice them, and they still come out fine.

Plus, they are easily the fastest.

Isil`Zha · Post by **Isil`Zha** » 2003-01-16 01:51am

Jehuty and Anubis working together wipe them all out....

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-16 01:58am

Evangelion.

And it's Tetsujin 28, not Gigantor.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-01-16 02:05am

Wait, for SW Mechs, do you include all SW Mechs? Just how many combatants are there here? One of each kind? One group of each kind?
Do they all have to have legs, or is it just all mechanized forces?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-01-16 02:17am

Martian Warmachines backed up by Victorian Airships, all armed with Heat Rays, Black Smoke, & Radium Guns.....

Ok, they well loose but they still will be cool

Ryoga · Post by **Ryoga** » 2003-01-16 10:47am

Well, since this is a Super Robot War (pun intended), I think Char and Amuro could pwn everyone. Super Robots can't hit for beans, and one use of Hot Blood+Fin Funnel really, really hurts.

Okay, seriously now. I say it's a toss-up between the Stark Jegans (Char's Counterattack MSV) or Valkyries (Macross), by dint of their use of nuclear weapons. A Stark Jegan can fire off four of 'em, while each Valkyrie has at least six....

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-16 04:38pm

A VF-1 Strike Valkyrie can carry 6 RMS-1 "Angel of Death" nuclear missiles, which (based on a translation of the Japanese I'm not sure I trust) have a 100kT yield. According to the same translation, the Ro-X2A (or Ro-X24, I've seen both) gun carried on the back is capable of firing a 10mJ pulse every 2 seconds. The HMMP-02 launcher on the other side of the back carries 16 missiles with an 8kg warhead, and the arm tubes each add another trio. I don't know canon power levels for any other mecha, though, so this is merely an exposition, not an attempt to convince anyone of the superiority of Macross.

I do wish I had the output of the External Heavy Weapons Module (from Macross Plus), though, since it passed through a HWR-00 Monster destroid and caused it to detonate.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-16 07:48pm

AT-AT.

130 kt per cannon max firepower pulses, takes projectiles the size of MBTs to knock it over, can engage targets at dozens of km. Can shrug off thermonuclear blasts to its bare armor.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2003-01-16 08:15pm

Currently wondering how well AT-AT firepower would do against NT-20 Synthetic Daimond Armor, capable of reflecting/refracting Godzilla's heat beam among other beams brought against it.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-16 08:16pm

Majin Gojira wrote:Currently wondering how well AT-AT firepower would do against NT-20 Synthetic Daimond Armor, capable of reflecting/refracting Godzilla's heat beam among other beams brought against it.

I have a feeling the blaster cannon on the AT-AT are much more dangerous.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2003-01-16 08:20pm

Probably, definitely, but would the reflecting effects cause a reduction in damage recieved...be it ever so slight...

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-16 09:22pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:AT-AT.

130 kt per cannon max firepower pulses, takes projectiles the size of MBTs to knock it over, can engage targets at dozens of km. Can shrug off thermonuclear blasts to its bare armor.

Wait...that would mean an AT-AT can't damage itself. The cannon have 130kT max output, and a fighter-sized nuclear missile is 100kT (see my previous post). Given that that's a 21st century nuke, and theoretical yield is higher (mT range), the AT-AT, if its cannons are 130kT and can shrug off thermonuclear blasts, has guns inferior to its armor.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-01-16 09:30pm

AT-ATs are clumsy and unwieldy compared to the other Mechas. Can't maneuver, takes a long time to turn around and shoot something behind it. I forsee it getting taken down close range, or just tripped...

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-01-16 09:31pm

Mechagodzilla would probably be destroyed by an AT-AT, but Mecha-King Ghidorah...if he could last through their blaster fire, he could easily fly behind them and destroy them from the rear.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-01-16 09:31pm

Mechagodzilla would probably be destroyed by AT-ATs, but Mecha-King Ghidorah...if he could last through their blaster fire, he could easily fly behind them and destroy them from the rear.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-16 09:43pm

Question: Are we using just the original Super Dimension Fortress: Macross series, or are we including the canon sequels (Plus and Seven)?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-16 09:48pm

The Dark wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:AT-AT.

130 kt per cannon max firepower pulses, takes projectiles the size of MBTs to knock it over, can engage targets at dozens of km. Can shrug off thermonuclear blasts to its bare armor.
Wait...that would mean an AT-AT can't damage itself. The cannon have 130kT max output, and a fighter-sized nuclear missile is 100kT (see my previous post). Given that that's a 21st century nuke, and theoretical yield is higher (mT range), the AT-AT, if its cannons are 130kT and can shrug off thermonuclear blasts, has guns inferior to its armor.

Which could be possible. The AT-AT is a glorified APC. 130 kt is really low-end. Perhaps as high is 3.4 MT.

Keep in mind that's each of the two guns. Nukes will not transfer their energy as efficiently as energy beams. At least half the energy goes the wrong way and plenty of it is turned into radiation that is too weak to hurt the AT-AT.

All of the yield of the beams is focused into penetrating and transfering the energy to the target.

The AT-AT's range is easily in the many tens of kilometers. Unless your vehicle is ultra-fast, manuverability will be a non-issue in this encounter.

And still, above all, the AT-AT is really a glorified APC.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-16 10:02pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
The Dark wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:AT-AT.

130 kt per cannon max firepower pulses, takes projectiles the size of MBTs to knock it over, can engage targets at dozens of km. Can shrug off thermonuclear blasts to its bare armor.
Wait...that would mean an AT-AT can't damage itself. The cannon have 130kT max output, and a fighter-sized nuclear missile is 100kT (see my previous post). Given that that's a 21st century nuke, and theoretical yield is higher (mT range), the AT-AT, if its cannons are 130kT and can shrug off thermonuclear blasts, has guns inferior to its armor.
Which could be possible. The AT-AT is a glorified APC. 130 kt is really low-end. Perhaps as high is 3.4 MT.

Ah, true, forgot the "Transport" part of the name.

Keep in mind that's each of the two guns. Nukes will not transfer their energy as efficiently as energy beams. At least half the energy goes the wrong way and plenty of it is turned into radiation that is too weak to hurt the AT-AT.

True, though the AT-AT would eventually have to be scrapped due to residual radiation (outside the scope of the debate, but worth mentioning, IMHO).

All of the yield of the beams is focused into penetrating and transfering the energy to the target.

Not all, since we can see photon radiation bleeding off (energy loss), but it seems to be close enough (relative to nukes) to accept the point.

The AT-AT's range is easily in the many tens of kilometers. Unless your vehicle is ultra-fast, manuverability will be a non-issue in this encounter.

3235 kph, according to the same translation I've been using. That's assuming it's at roughly 10,000 meters. If it ascends to 30,000 meters, that goes up to 4620 kph. Even at "low" altitude it's covering .8 kilometers per second. At high altitude, 1.28kps.

And still, above all, the AT-AT is really a glorified APC.

True, and it's the heaviest mech we've seen from the Empire. I do think that only the Angel of Death would be a threat from Macross, since they were designed as ship-killer nuclear missiles, though it would require lucky hits (cockpit or neck area, joints). The next heaviest weapon from the original series I can find is a 381mm cannon that fires 900kg projectiles up to 50km. The best thing for a Valkyrie squadron to do would be to just salvo off all 72 nukes at one AT-AT and then run, though if we're assuming equal numbers, they're dead. Equal mass might be a different question, but I do think the Empire overall has the best protection of all the choices.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-17 10:28am

BOSS BOROT OWNZ ALL

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-01-17 12:36pm

Actaully brining a manga out of the shelf I'm going with Cannon God eXaXXion. We have two mechs so far and can prob kill anything mention here.

Sorosarm: Main cannon fired from Hawi to japan in 15 minutes. Stated that the shell is immune to eccm to any usable degree, and has course correction/tracking abilities. Two shells types wer described. A mass-round which uses nuetroiuim and obliterated most of mount fuji. A hyper pentrator round was also used for anti-mech purposeses. We calced the mass round at 17 mts without the weird neutrion thing that vaprozed most of mount fuji. I would expect simarly energy from the hyperpentrator.

eXaXXion: Main weapon did not fire in this first manga (Shucks

) But is supposed to be alot more powerful than Soro... It took the Soro impact directly to the side of its head without a scatch. Though the pilot went into cadiac arrest from the force of the impact but was saved by nanites in the space of a few minutes.

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