SGA: 408 The Seer (Spoilers)

[NecronLord]

Well... I guess I was wrong on the Asurans not likely to kill humans to starve the wraith. Cookie to l33telboi on that.

Interesting to get some solid figures on populations in Pegasus, too. From this, it seems to be on the order of 50,000 people per planet.

"I understand it is the custom among your people, when a deal is made, to shake hands."

No mention of Jonas' visions, which prove that the future isn't predetermined.

I also noticed that the bombardment with the Asuran ship in the vision was the same kind of ultra-short range affair we've seen in the Ancients' attack on Asuras. I wonder if those ships are actually capable of orbital attack.

[CaptJodan]

No mention of Jonas' visions, which prove that the future isn't predetermined.

Jonas must not have been equipped with a form of seeing that was as effective as this Seer. The man did say that every vision he had happened the way he said it did, so I'm sure we'll see this do the same.

[NecronLord]

Probably. I wonder if that's actually Atlantis. Maybe that's the Triaa or a captured ship shelling an Asuran city ship. Or alternately, maybe that's a trap, and a huge pile of Wraith ships are about to swarm it (though that's still some hefty structural damage).

[Darksider]

Probably. I wonder if that's actually Atlantis. Maybe that's the Triaa or a captured ship shelling an Asuran city ship.

True.

Keep in mind we've never seen the Asurans use Drones before.

However, didn't the Asurans blast the Tria into a million pieces before they conquered Atlantis?


Also, a minor nitpick, but i'm kind of angry about it so it'll be in all caps.

THE ASURANS ARE NOT THE FUCKING REPLICATORS. WHEN THE FUCK WILL THE PRODUCERS LEARN TO CALL THEM SOMETHING ELSE?

[NecronLord]

Keep in mind we've never seen the Asurans use Drones before.

I think they shot yellow thingies at the Daedalus, no?

However, didn't the Asurans blast the Tria into a million pieces before they conquered Atlantis?

Given that there was no explicit mention of it somehow being towed, and the Ancient crew had to go up in a jumper to contront the Asurans.

They sorta corrected the name thing this time, mind. Wraithy said 'that your people call' at least.

[Murazor]

Interesting to get some solid figures on populations in Pegasus, too. From this, it seems to be on the order of 50,000 people per planet.

Not all that surprising. The hives, despite being very large ships, number less than a hundred and their populations don't appear to be particularly big.

Sincerely, I'd be surprised if the global Wraith population of the Pegasus galaxy goes beyond the single digit millions. And despite this low population, we know that after their awakening the Wraith faced a very serious food shortage that forced them to fight each other to death.

This, coupled with the periodical destruction of any civilization even remotely approaching the industrial level, made it pretty clear that the human population was going to be low.

Still, tens of thousands per planet is pretty damn poor even for Stargateverse standards.

[Darksider]

Keep in mind we've never seen the Asurans use Drones before.

I think they shot yellow thingies at the Daedalus, no?

A cursory check of youtube shows them to be orange/yellow energy blasts.

They Travel in a straight path as opposed to drones which fly around dramatically for a little bit.

Also, the Apollo doesn't get blasted to peices with them, which it probably would have if they were drones.

(IMHO The Apollo has not recieved the Oddsseys Asgard upgrades because they don't use the blue beam thingies against the Asuran warship.)

Heres the Youtube link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kZI_8meZ7w

[PREDATOR490]

It was a no brainer that the Asurans would start killing humans. It is the only plot point that would reasonably allow Atlantis to get involved with the Wraith again after the last betrayal.
I found this episode really cheap though in terms of 'drama'. They pretty much telegraphed the two Wraith ships would fight but the rather "fortunate" destruction of both ships seems ultimately fucking retarded.

The hive ship came out behind the first and somehow managed to come to a broadside position and exchange fire at such a close range that the explosion will kill the other...
We have seen Wraith ships capable of firing at greater ranges and even have the ability at limited bombardment from space so closing to broadsides is stupid especially since the explosions are so volatile that they would destroy another hive ship and they have no appreciable armor or shields. Incidentally, the camera angle for the ships shooting at each other seemed wrong since the planet wasnt in the background and the weapon blasts were unusually large.

As for the attack on Altantis by the Asurans. It was definetly drones being used but from what we saw of this guy's visions they dont always follow in order. We saw Rodney's comment WAY before the actual destruction of the hive and the rather "fortunate" fact that it was zoomed in so we didnt see both ships destroyed. The other problem is it may not be the Asurans doing it. The galaxy is filled with ancient technology apparantly so the chances of some new player coming out with a ship and attacking Atlantis dosent seem that unlikely.
It looked like an Aurora but the amount of drones being fired seemed rather small compared to what we have seen being fired in the past so if it is Asurans the chances are its going to be the same situation that happened with them trying to capture Atlantis again. We only saw moderate amounts of damage to the city and the tower being taken out and given the range of drones shown in the outposts if they wanted to destroy it they dont need to literally hover right above it.
I expect the Tower will either be abandoned or the people in it will dash to the jumper bay to escape before it is taken out. Either way if that is Atlantis it means their stargate just got fucked big time.

I just hope they dont do another lame reset by having the Asurans magically repair the damage to the Tower and city before its taken back or gets away. I find it more likely that "future" is wrong and the writers will do the same sort of thing like they did with Jonus and dig themselves out of the whole "everything is pre-determined" hole.

[bilateralrope]

The vision might not even be Atlantis under attack. We know that the Asurans can build city-ships identical to Atlantis, so it could be one of them.

[CaptJodan]

The vision might not even be Atlantis under attack. We know that the Asurans can build city-ships identical to Atlantis, so it could be one of them.

Indeed. And John made a tenative ally with a people who just happen to have possession of an ancient warship. The limited drone firing might be because that ship is not well stocked or not fully functional.

[Meest]

Story wise was that spectacular other than John Sheppard channeling Han Solo at the Wraith ambush scene. The pace of this season seems like the start of the current Heroes season, they really need to pick it up and stop the kidnapping filler eps.

[Gustav32Vasa]

We have seen Wraith ships capable of firing at greater ranges and even have the ability at limited bombardment from space so closing to broadsides is stupid especially since the explosions are so volatile that they would destroy another hive ship and they have no appreciable armor or shields.

No armour? A Hive can take a direct hit by a gigaton nuke and survive.

Incidentally, the camera angle for the ships shooting at each other seemed wrong since the planet wasnt in the background and the weapon blasts were unusually large.

That is because it was reused image from earlier episode.

I just hope they dont do another lame reset by having the Asurans magically repair the damage to the Tower and city before its taken back or gets away. I find it more likely that "future" is wrong and the writers will do the same sort of thing like they did with Jonus and dig themselves out of the whole "everything is pre-determined" hole.

Or it could be a new found city that is badly damaged but the Atlantis team lay a trap.

[NecronLord]

A cursory check of youtube shows them to be orange/yellow energy blasts.

They Travel in a straight path as opposed to drones which fly around dramatically for a little bit.

This is indeed suggestive, but it's not conclusive.

Also, the Apollo doesn't get blasted to peices with them, which it probably would have if they were drones.

(IMHO The Apollo has not recieved the Oddsseys Asgard upgrades because they don't use the blue beam thingies against the Asuran warship.)

Have we anything to suggest that the asgard shields they do have can be easily penetrated by drones, a technology many thousands of thousands of years behind the Ancients' cutting edge.

The Earthers have, on at least one occasion, constructed shields that can deflect a drone (The Return) albeit using Ancient technology.

[CaptJodan]

Have we anything to suggest that the asgard shields they do have can be easily penetrated by drones, a technology many thousands of thousands of years behind the Ancients' cutting edge.

The Earthers have, on at least one occasion, constructed shields that can deflect a drone (The Return) albeit using Ancient technology.

This doesn't speak directly to the 304s, but since Anubis' shields were based off of Asgard designs, I would suspect that drones would penetrate. Having said that, they are a different color so...

[Gustav32Vasa]

This doesn't speak directly to the 304s, but since Anubis' shields were based off of Asgard designs, I would suspect that drones would penetrate. Having said that, they are a different color so...

Anubis shields was not Asgard designed but Ancient based.

Anubis didnt get his hand on Asgard teh until after he stole it from Thors mind.

[NecronLord]

As I understand it, the Asgard themselves built at least some of the Earth shields. Anubis was still basically lashing peasants and making them glob mud to build his ships. The Asgard, on the other hand, were apparently operating a much more advanced infrastructure. There are, by default, less limits on what they can achieve.

Never mind that he may only have been able to replicate a limited suite of ancient technology - he wasn't firing drones, after all, or flying around in an Altantis city ship.

In comparison, the puddle-jumper shield-conversion can definately stop a glancing hit from a done, though it still has to run from four or so. There's certainly some shields capable of stopping (or at least slowing) the drones. I would be unsurprised if the shields of the Asgard (though not necesserily whatever they installed on human ships) were capable of stopping them too. The Asgard did download the database, after all...

[Luzifer's right hand]

Holy shot-recycling! That was copy and paste from the other episode the two ships killed each other. That's nearly as worse as the rebirth of Ne'tu.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I was actually expecting the wraith blowing up atlantis to be some sort of holographic projection to fool the second ship, and that what Sam saw was that projection.

Still could be the case, maybe.

[Braedley]

I'm very disappointed with the lack of mention of Jonas' visions. All they needed was one line from Carter to make me happy: when McKay was talking about the impossibilities of this type of prediction in the briefing, Carter only needs to say "Uh, McKay, remember Jonas?" or something along those lines. That's all I would have needed. Just one mention. It could have made for one of those interesting McKay's Wrong moments.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I'm very disappointed with the lack of mention of Jonas' visions. All they needed was one line from Carter to make me happy: when McKay was talking about the impossibilities of this type of prediction in the briefing, Carter only needs to say "Uh, McKay, remember Jonas?" or something along those lines. That's all I would have needed. Just one mention. It could have made for one of those interesting McKay's Wrong moments.

I dunno about that. A few weeks ago when they encountered the nightmare crystal people seemed to get pretty annoyed that they were referencing previous episodes as a sort of 'lol we dun this b4!'

[PREDATOR490]

Its not so much the mentioning of past episodes that sucked but the fact they are essentially recycling past stories and special effects. The latter in this episode was so blatently obvious because it was wrong and was a cheap way of ending a dramatic build up.

They spend fucking ages ranting about how screwed they are and Wraith saying destroying their ship would result in them announcing Atlantis's position yet it went nowhere by the act of plot destruction of both Hives which dosent speak highly of the intelligence of either ship.

[Braedley]

I'm very disappointed with the lack of mention of Jonas' visions. All they needed was one line from Carter to make me happy: when McKay was talking about the impossibilities of this type of prediction in the briefing, Carter only needs to say "Uh, McKay, remember Jonas?" or something along those lines. That's all I would have needed. Just one mention. It could have made for one of those interesting McKay's Wrong moments.

I dunno about that. A few weeks ago when they encountered the nightmare crystal people seemed to get pretty annoyed that they were referencing previous episodes as a sort of 'lol we dun this b4!'

I'm not saying that they should do it every time there's a reference back to SG-1, but this time, it could have added just a bit to the episode. Carter putting McKay in his place is a key component of their character interactions that has been there since 48 Hours, yet we've barely seen it this season.