8-year-old charged with rape, kidnap

[Adrian Laguna]

Legally, they have to be charged, since an 11 year old can't legally give consent assuming sex of any sort happened.

Neither can the three boys. If there was no coercion involved, and they are going after the boys, then they dammed better go after the girl too.

[Flagg]

Legally, they have to be charged, since an 11 year old can't legally give consent assuming sex of any sort happened.

Neither can the three boys. If there was no coercion involved, and they are going after the boys, then they dammed better go after the girl too.

Yeah, they damned well better if the rape is a bullshit story and they choose to still prosecute the boys for statutory rape.

[Dark Hellion]

Wow Flagg, you got caught jumping to conclusions. Big fucking deal, but to pretend that Pezook or me did anything but remain skeptic and neutral due to the location that it is occurring and the media and polices tendency for aggrandizement is just pure bullshit. Your outrage at whatever the hell you are outraged at (I haven't figured it out yet) is simply not helpful. Nor is your gross oversimplification of the crime as something that you can simply be outrage over. Where the failure lies, and who to blame, if we can place blame at all, is at this point unclear, and could remain so indefinitely.

The world is full of shit dude, don't act surprised when people just aren't that shocked at it anymore.

[Flagg]

Wow Flagg, you got caught jumping to conclusions. Big fucking deal, but to pretend that Pezook or me did anything but remain skeptic and neutral due to the location that it is occurring and the media and polices tendency for aggrandizement is just pure bullshit. Your outrage at whatever the hell you are outraged at (I haven't figured it out yet) is simply not helpful. Nor is your gross oversimplification of the crime as something that you can simply be outrage over. Where the failure lies, and who to blame, if we can place blame at all, is at this point unclear, and could remain so indefinitely.

The world is full of shit dude, don't act surprised when people just aren't that shocked at it anymore.

No, what you 2 little twats did was jump all over me for coming to a conclusion that you didn't like. Because you know, no one is allowed to form an opinion until every little fact is in!

So kindly take your ad hominem bullshit and go fuck yourself with it.

[PeZook]

No, what you 2 little twats did was jump all over me for coming to a conclusion that you didn't like. Because you know, no one is allowed to form an opinion until every little fact is in!

So kindly take your ad hominem bullshit and go fuck yourself with it.

Oh, for fuck's sake. Nobody asked you to wait untill we know every little fact ; Just that we know more than screams of "They did it!" "Did not!" from both involved sides.

Oh, blow it out your ass. The girl is claiming she was raped and the police have found enough evidence of it to arrest the 3 kids. My assumption of guilt is just as valid as your assumption of innocence.

I did not assume the boys are innocent. I just chose to reserve judgement untill more evidence shows up, because the initial article was vague as fuck.

And I'm not on a fucking jury. Presumption of innocence is a legal doctrine, not something everyone has to live their life by.

Everyone should try to live their life by it (or at least not automatically assume guilt), though, since it's precisely because of fucking morons like you screaming bloody murder that the media love ruining somebody's life before he even goes to trial.

How would you like to have been condemned by idiots before the judge even heard your case? And then, when the public forgets everything except "He was charged with rape", you have to live with this media label even though you could possibly have been cleared of any wrongdoing?

Attitudes of the public are a function of attitudes of individuals.

[Dark Hellion]

Wait, Hasty Generalization, I think I remember seeing that on this board somewhere? Wonder where it was? I mean, jumping to a totally baseless conclusion instead of remaining skeptical is a completely reasonable thing to do. It stopped all those WMDs in Iraq, and its keeps them sissy little democrats outta the White house. It's gotta be good right?

Oh, and if you want to call out on Ad Hominem, make sure I actually attacked you, instead of your argument. As you didn't have an argument other than "OMFG these boyz is the rapzorz" it would seem to be really hard for me to commit that. Your behavior in this thread has been to be an over-sensationalizing twit. And why aren't you going after Mr. Wong or Sanchez, or any of the other posters who have specifically advocated the same damn argument that Pezook and I have, that we should wait for a better report as Georgian fucking cops and reporters are so incredibly reliable.

[Justforfun000]

Pezook Wrote:

Everyone should try to live their life by it (or at least not automatically assume guilt), though, since it's precisely because of fucking morons like you screaming bloody murder that the media love ruining somebody's life before he even goes to trial.

How would you like to have been condemned by idiots before the judge even heard your case? And then, when the public forgets everything except "He was charged with rape", you have to live with this media label even though you could possibly have been cleared of any wrongdoing?

Attitudes of the public are a function of attitudes of individuals.

As much as I don't generally like jumping in the middle of disputes to pick sides, I have to say that this is an excellent point and I have no choice but to agree with Pezook. Flagg, we HAVE to live our lives by reserving judgement until we know better or we are being grossly unfair to people. We should never judge someone guilty of something and heap scorn and derision on them before it has been truly established. I know these kind of emotional scenarios can deeply disturb people and its easy to let your anger overcome your level headedness when trying to be impartial, but we have to strive for that. Many people have looked guilty as sin when charged with crimes and were later found to be completely innocent. So how can you justify the pre-judgement of these people? It was never warranted in the first place.

This story is so lacking in details that none of us have the right to pass a judgement. An OPINION is fine, but anything damning is unfair.

[Flagg]

No, what you 2 little twats did was jump all over me for coming to a conclusion that you didn't like. Because you know, no one is allowed to form an opinion until every little fact is in!

So kindly take your ad hominem bullshit and go fuck yourself with it.

Oh, for fuck's sake. Nobody asked you to wait untill we know every little fact ; Just that we know more than screams of "They did it!" "Did not!" from both involved sides.

Hey dicksneeze, we do know more than that. The police got arrest warrants for the 3 boys. That implies there is evidence against them. That's enough for me to conclude that the boys probably raped the girl. If you don;t want to make the same conclusion, then fine. But don't fucking tell me that I can't make my own.

Oh, blow it out your ass. The girl is claiming she was raped and the police have found enough evidence of it to arrest the 3 kids. My assumption of guilt is just as valid as your assumption of innocence.

I did not assume the boys are innocent. I just chose to reserve judgement untill more evidence shows up, because the initial article was vague as fuck.

And bitch at me for not sharing that same conclusion. Because you're a twat.

And I'm not on a fucking jury. Presumption of innocence is a legal doctrine, not something everyone has to live their life by.

Everyone should try to live their life by it (or at least not automatically assume guilt), though, since it's precisely because of fucking morons like you screaming bloody murder that the media love ruining somebody's life before he even goes to trial.

No, you fucking retard. The problem is people who come to am conclusion and then refuse to change it no matter what new evidence comes forth. That and cunts like you who are afriad to state an opinion because they might turn out to be wrong. Asshat.

How would you like to have been condemned by idiots before the judge even heard your case? And then, when the public forgets everything except "He was charged with rape", you have to live with this media label even though you could possibly have been cleared of any wrongdoing?

Attitudes of the public are a function of attitudes of individuals.

And that's my fault, rather than the medias, how? Seriousely, get your head out of your ass, dipshit. The methane fumes are making you more retarded than you already were when your mommy shat you out.

[Dark Hellion]

My fucking god, do you ever take off those blinders you dumb motherfucker. The police have shot people for being black before, so them issuing an arrest warrant is supposed to be total evidence of a happening? For someone with vampire-bush as his sig, you really aren't very good at this doubting authority thing are you?

[Flagg]

Wait, Hasty Generalization, I think I remember seeing that on this board somewhere? Wonder where it was? I mean, jumping to a totally baseless conclusion instead of remaining skeptical is a completely reasonable thing to do. It stopped all those WMDs in Iraq, and its keeps them sissy little democrats outta the White house. It's gotta be good right?

Yeah, because I'm someone who jumped on that bandwagon and still defends it to this day... Oh wait, I'm not. I was against it from the start. Good thing I didn't reserve my opinion until the facts were clearer, or I'd look like a total fucking douchebag right now.

Oh, and if you want to call out on Ad Hominem, make sure I actually attacked you, instead of your argument. As you didn't have an argument other than "OMFG these boyz is the rapzorz" it would seem to be really hard for me to commit that. Your behavior in this thread has been to be an over-sensationalizing twit. And why aren't you going after Mr. Wong or Sanchez, or any of the other posters who have specifically advocated the same damn argument that Pezook and I have, that we should wait for a better report as Georgian fucking cops and reporters are so incredibly reliable.

1) You're a lying cunt.

2) Since all I did was express my opinion, and your responses have been to cast me as an idiot, a racist, or a warmonger rather than try to come up with an argument as to why I shouldn't be allowed to form an opinion based on the limited facts, then yeah: Ad Hominem.

3) Wong specifically said that he doesn't see enough evidence to find them guilty. Shock of shocks, niether do I! He didn't cast aspersions on those who chose to form an opinion based on the article itself.

4) Sanchez gave his opinion that there wasn;t enough evidence for him to form an opinion on the situation. He also did it without attacking those who had.

5) You're a stupid sperm-dumpster and need to shut the fuck up before you make yourself look like any more of a mindless taint.

[Flagg]

My fucking god, do you ever take off those blinders you dumb motherfucker. The police have shot people for being black before, so them issuing an arrest warrant is supposed to be total evidence of a happening? For someone with vampire-bush as his sig, you really aren't very good at this doubting authority thing are you?

Will you stop being a strawmanning little liar for 2 seconds? Please? Is it at all possible? Or do you need to have someone beat it out of you with a tire iron? Because if that's the case, I'd be happy to do it for a nominal fee.

No where did I say this was "total evidence", shit for brains. What I have repeatedly said is that I formed an opinion based on the LIMITED information we have.

So kindly go fuck yourself, again.

[PeZook]

Hey dicksneeze, we do know more than that. The police got arrest warrants for the 3 boys. That implies there is evidence against them. That's enough for me to conclude that the boys probably raped the girl. If you don;t want to make the same conclusion, then fine. But don't fucking tell me that I can't make my own.

Oh, you can make your own conclusion - the problem is that it's moronic.

Yes, the police held the boys and charged them ; That still doesn't mean they're "probably" guilty. People get arrested and released after trial all the time, because you don't actually need much evidence to get an arrest warrant, just enough for probable cause. It's especially easy to get in a serious case like this.

And bitch at me for not sharing that same conclusion. Because you're a twat.

Well, yeah. Bitch at you for stating a hysterical, moronic opinion based on sketchy evidence? Ye gods!

No, you fucking retard. The problem is people who come to am conclusion and then refuse to change it no matter what new evidence comes forth. That and cunts like you who are afriad to state an opinion because they might turn out to be wrong. Asshat.

Oh, yeah, heaven forbid I restrain myself a bit! You know that a judgement call in a serious case like this can cause all the damage way before you can wipe the froth off your mouth? Opinions can still be moronic.

Yeah, because I'm someone who jumped on that bandwagon and still defends it to this day... Oh wait, I'm not. I was against it from the start. Good thing I didn't reserve my opinion until the facts were clearer, or I'd look like a total fucking douchebag right now.

And why were you against it? Oh, yeah, let me guess. Not enough fucking evidence!

So why the change right now? Are 11 year old girls incapable of lying? If somebody accused you of rape or murder, the police would've arrested you as well, without any other evidence required. Then they would charge you, and maybe the judge would throw out the case because of lack of evidence, maybe not.

An arrest itself means little, other than the fact than accusations were made and an investigation is necessary. And in this case, accusations are pretty damn serious.

And that's my fault, rather than the medias, how? Seriousely, get your head out of your ass, dipshit. The methane fumes are making you more retarded than you already were when your mommy shat you out.

Because the media cater to your brand of idiocy, asshole. Or do you think TV stations are just malevolent, rather than pampering their viewer base with their usual sensationalism?

[Flagg]

Pezook Wrote:

Everyone should try to live their life by it (or at least not automatically assume guilt), though, since it's precisely because of fucking morons like you screaming bloody murder that the media love ruining somebody's life before he even goes to trial.

How would you like to have been condemned by idiots before the judge even heard your case? And then, when the public forgets everything except "He was charged with rape", you have to live with this media label even though you could possibly have been cleared of any wrongdoing?

Attitudes of the public are a function of attitudes of individuals.

As much as I don't generally like jumping in the middle of disputes to pick sides, I have to say that this is an excellent point and I have no choice but to agree with Pezook. Flagg, we HAVE to live our lives by reserving judgement until we know better or we are being grossly unfair to people. We should never judge someone guilty of something and heap scorn and derision on them before it has been truly established. I know these kind of emotional scenarios can deeply disturb people and its easy to let your anger overcome your level headedness when trying to be impartial, but we have to strive for that. Many people have looked guilty as sin when charged with crimes and were later found to be completely innocent. So how can you justify the pre-judgement of these people? It was never warranted in the first place.

This story is so lacking in details that none of us have the right to pass a judgement. An OPINION is fine, but anything damning is unfair.

I've only expressed an opinion. Idiots like PeZook and Dark Hellion have a problem with even that.

[Dark Hellion]

My opinion is that you are an oversensitive tool who got got caught being a dumbass and is now back peddling so fast that if this was a comic book we could use you for time travel.

Of course, that is my opinion and so if immune to all criticism, douche.

[Flagg]

My opinion is that you are an oversensitive tool who got got caught being a dumbass and is now back peddling so fast that if this was a comic book we could use you for time travel.

Projecting much? Aren't there rules here against lying?

Of course, that is my opinion and so if immune to all criticism, douche.

Yet another strawman. Is that the best you have, fucktard? Strawmen and lies?

[Flagg]

Hey dicksneeze, we do know more than that. The police got arrest warrants for the 3 boys. That implies there is evidence against them. That's enough for me to conclude that the boys probably raped the girl. If you don;t want to make the same conclusion, then fine. But don't fucking tell me that I can't make my own.

Oh, you can make your own conclusion - the problem is that it's moronic.

No, bitching because someone chose to have an opinion is moronic. That's what you did. That's why you're a fucking moron, moron.

Yes, the police held the boys and charged them ; That still doesn't mean they're "probably" guilty. People get arrested and released after trial all the time, because you don't actually need much evidence to get an arrest warrant, just enough for probable cause. It's especially easy to get in a serious case like this.

And that should stop me from coming to a conclusion based on the facts in the article, why? Especially since I've made it abundantly clear that I'm perfectly willing to change that conclusion based on new evidence? Oh, that's right, it's because you don't like it. Well I have a perfectly good solution for that: Get fucked, douchebag.

And bitch at me for not sharing that same conclusion. Because you're a twat.

Well, yeah. Bitch at you for stating a hysterical, moronic opinion based on sketchy evidence? Ye gods!

And again with the lying. Aren't there rules against that?

No, you fucking retard. The problem is people who come to am conclusion and then refuse to change it no matter what new evidence comes forth. That and cunts like you who are afriad to state an opinion because they might turn out to be wrong. Asshat.

Oh, yeah, heaven forbid I restrain myself a bit! You know that a judgement call in a serious case like this can cause all the damage way before you can wipe the froth off your mouth? Opinions can still be moronic.

Restrain yourself? You haven't been able to restrain yourself at all in this thread. You keep misrepresenting everything I've been saying. So have fun being a lying dicksnot, you lying dicksnot.

Yeah, because I'm someone who jumped on that bandwagon and still defends it to this day... Oh wait, I'm not. I was against it from the start. Good thing I didn't reserve my opinion until the facts were clearer, or I'd look like a total fucking douchebag right now.

And why were you against it? Oh, yeah, let me guess. Not enough fucking evidence!

No, there was plenty of evidence that Iraq had no WMD, retard. Or don't you read?

So why the change right now? Are 11 year old girls incapable of lying? If somebody accused you of rape or murder, the police would've arrested you as well, without any other evidence required. Then they would charge you, and maybe the judge would throw out the case because of lack of evidence, maybe not.

And if I were a member of the media or on a fucking jury your whining might hold some fucking point. Since I'm just a guy on an internet messageboard, it's only so much mewling. Get fucked, liar.

An arrest itself means little, other than the fact than accusations were made and an investigation is necessary. And in this case, accusations are pretty damn serious.

An arrest means that there is enough evidence to establish probable cause, fuckwit.

And that's my fault, rather than the medias, how? Seriousely, get your head out of your ass, dipshit. The methane fumes are making you more retarded than you already were when your mommy shat you out.

Because the media cater to your brand of idiocy, asshole. Or do you think TV stations are just malevolent, rather than pampering their viewer base with their usual sensationalism?

That might mean something if I actually watched that garbage, liar. Are you going to shut the fuck up now liar, or do you want to continue to look like a whining, lying, pussified, fuckstick who relies on strawmanning and ad hominems?

[Dark Hellion]

But I only expressed my opinion Flagg. How can you have a problem with that?

[Flagg]

But I only expressed my opinion Flagg. How can you have a problem with that?

More strawmanning? Get fucked. By a bus, prefferably.

[Mayabird]

Acworth, Georgia. *spits*

A damn exurb of Atlanta. It's where suburbanites who like commuting an hour or more go so they can feel all safe and away from bad influences (you all know what those are code for). It's still small enough that they can still pretend that they're a small town, and the redneck refugees haven't fled from being out-priced, but it's a sprawling mess of cheaply constructed crap that'll fall apart once the oil runs out.

Backwards, reactionary, Southern Baptist, and totally in denial. They're on I-75, a major drug corridor, and try to pretend (much like my hometown, which was on I-85, another major drug corridor - I-75 goes northwest from Atlanta and I-85 northeast) that nothing ever goes wrong and they're all in magic Leave It To Beaver World.

You won't be getting the truth out of these people. It will be nothing but a circus, full of accusations and rumors, which will drag on for years. No doubt someone will find Jesus during that time too.

[Big Phil]

No doubt someone will find Jesus during that time too.

That dumbfuck gets lost all the damned time; somebody should staple a fucking map to his forehead so he can find his way home.

[Flagg]

No doubt someone will find Jesus during that time too.

That dumbfuck gets lost all the damned time; somebody should staple a fucking map to his forehead so he can find his way home.

I found Jesus once. He was picking oranges behind my house in FL.


Having driven through that area more than once I wouldn't be shocked to find out half the town is fucking their kids.

[Dark Hellion]

Don't we have rules to prevent this dumbshit from accusing an entire town of being child molestors?

[SilverWingedSeraph]

Don't we have rules to prevent this dumbshit from accusing an entire town of being child molestors?

Except for the fact he made no accusations, he said it wouldn't surprise him. Just like if I said it wouldn't surprise me to find out that you were dropped on your head at birth. I'm not making accusations that you were. I'm simply stating that if I discovered that you indeed were dropped on your head as a child, I would not be at all shocked by that revelation.

[Flagg]

Don't we have rules to prevent this dumbshit from accusing an entire town of being child molestors?

Awwwwe, is baby sad because he got taken to school by mean old Flagg? He must be since he's lying again.

Poor little baby troll.

[Edi]

Flagg, shut the fuck up. I don't know what bug crawled up your ass lately, but you've in a very short period turned into a grade A shitlicking pigfucker of a troll and spammer and now you're just hijacking this thread inorder to keep a flamewar going against PeZook and Dark Hellion for no fucking reason. You're the one who seems to be having his panties in a bunch and when this thread gets HoSed, it's not really going to be a tough call on whose posts are going to get some colorful improvement.