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The One Laptop Per Child program

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What are your thoughts about this project? Is it too ambitious? Should every child get a laptop, or should a few children share a laptop (along the lines of the Simputer program?

According to the wikipedia article about the laptop
Pricing is currently set to start at US$188 and the goal is to reach the $100 mark in 2008.
From the OLPCwiki
By providing laptops to every child without cost to the child, we bring the poor child the same opportunities for learning that wealthy families bring to their children.
From a CNN article
At the launch of the computer in a packed conference room at the Kram Center in Tunisia, the U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan called for the information technology gap between the developed world and African nations to be bridged.

But as he attempted to turn the machine's crank handle, to demonstrate its durability and easy functioning, it came off in his hand. The signal, perhaps, for the more cynical to question the real value of the green machine.
Africans themselves question the entire project.

Marthe Dansokho from Cameroon says that this cheap computer is the result of an insular American-user mind set.

"African women who do most of the work in the countryside don't have time to sit with their children and research what crops they should be planting," she pointed out.
"We know our land and wisdom is passed down through the generations. What is needed is clean water and real schools."
"If you live in a mud hut," one participant asked, "what use is that computer for your children who don't have a doctor within walking distance?"
From a response to a critical Techdirt article
One line of disagreement in the Techdirt post and comments is that there are more pressing needs for children in poor countries, such as food and clean water, but that seems like a narrow viewpoint. If we have to solve all existing problems before moving ahead with other technologies, we’d never invent the technologies that help solve existing problems. We should never have invested money in creating computers in the first place, I guess, because poverty and hunger existed then also.

Computers are the key to the future. Putting them in to the hands of as many people as possible all over the world, especially children, seems to me to be a Very Good Thing. Young minds will use them to do amazing things. It’s exciting to think about the things they will create that defy our current limitations and narrow thinking. How can people argue that money would be better spent on schools and teaching when these machines can be an integral part of that education? Providing access to a river of knowledge and information and the ability to participate in new communities.
India opted out of buying the OLPC

HRD contends that spending Rs 450 crore on digital empowerment can be better spent on primary and secondary education. "It is quite obvious that the financial expenditure to be made on the scheme will be out of public funds.

It would be impossible to justify an expenditure of this scale on a debatable scheme when public funds continue to be in inadequate supply for well-established needs listed in different policy documents," the ministry said. It also finds it intriguing as to "why no developed country has been chosen" for MIT's OLPC experiment "given the fact that most of the developed world is far from universalising the possession and use of laptops among children of 6-12 age group". The ministry says 6-12 is a highly "vulnerable age group to cover in an area of human technology interface which is so new and heavily debated". "Both physical and psychological effects of children's intensive exposure to the computer implicit in OLPC are worrisome, to say the least.
From the OLPC FAQ (Feb.2006)
In one Cambodian village where we have been working, there is no electricity, thus the laptop is, among other things, the brightest light source in the home.
Why do children in developing nations need laptops?
Laptops are both a window and a tool: a window out to the world and a tool with which to think. They are a wonderful way for all children to learn learning through independent interaction and exploration.
Why is it important for each child to have a computer? What's wrong with community-access centers?
One does not think of community pencils—kids have their own. They are tools to think with, sufficiently inexpensive to be used for work and play, drawing, writing, and mathematics. A computer can be the same, but far more powerful. Furthermore, there are many reasons it is important for a child to own something—like a football, doll, or book—not the least of which being that these belongings will be well-maintained through love and care.
Why not a recycled machine?
Finally, regarding recycled machines: if we estimate 100-million available used desktops, and each one requires only one hour of human attention to refurbish, reload, and handle, that is tens of thousands of work years. Thus, while we definitely encourage the recycling of used computers, it is not the solution for One Laptop per Child.

NYTimes article
The idea appealed to the Libyan leader, according to Mr. Negroponte, because it fit into his political agenda of creating a more open Libya and becoming an African leader. The two men also discussed the possibility of Libya’s financing the purchase of laptops for a group of poorer African nations like Chad, Niger and Rwanda.
It is possible, Mr. Negroponte said, that Libya will become the first nation in the world where all school-age children are connected to the Internet through educational computers. “The U.S. and Singapore are not even close,” he said.
The philosophy that this program is based on is "constructionist learning"
Mission statement
XO embodies the theories of constructionism first developed by MIT Media Lab Professor Seymour Papert in the 1960s, and later elaborated upon by Alan Kay, complemented by the principles articulated by Nicholas Negroponte in his book, Being Digital.

Extensively field-tested and validated among some of the poorest and most remote populations on earth, constructionism emphasizes what Papert calls “learning learning” as the fundamental educational experience. A computer uniquely fosters learning learning by allowing children to “think about thinking”, in ways that are otherwise impossible. Using the XO as both their window on the world, as well as a highly programmable tool for exploring it, children in emerging nations will be opened to both illimitable knowledge and to their own creative and problem-solving potential.

Having done some reading about OLPC, I think this project will only work for countries that are middle income developing countries, countries like Mexico, Brazil, Argentina etc. From what I’ve read, this project isn’t really suited to Sub-Saharan countries, where access to education (among other things) needs to be improved first before giving every child a laptop. For those countries, infrastructure (which would eventually be able to logistically support programs like this) needs more funding and development. Children have gone to school (and succeeded) without computers for decades since obligatory school attendance. Teachers, textbooks, pencils, paper and a building are what children need for their education, no laptop can replace all of those.
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I for one, like the idea, and cannot wait for its commercial version, that will hopefully won't be much more expensive.

I for one, have learned much about the world trough computers and have sparked many things during my time on the internet. I realised that I was an atheist, I became interested in nuclear engineering and aerospace, I have access to works and books that would otherwise would be closed of to me. I have learned of things that not even my teachers know.

Of course, schools and food is much more important. However, getting a doctor requires someone to be a doctor, which requires education. And the program is aimed to help education, by providing a useful tool for children and a channel of communication that they otherwise don't have.
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Where people lack clean water, adequate food supplies, civil order, safe habitats and access to basic medical care, the benefits of inexpensive laptops start to look like band-aids over a sucking chest wound.
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Kanastrous wrote:Where people lack clean water, adequate food supplies, civil order, safe habitats and access to basic medical care, the benefits of inexpensive laptops start to look like band-aids over a sucking chest wound.
It really is a frankly horrifying waste of money.
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They are giving it to places where they do not lack them that much, actually. And they building off somewhat from experience. I watched a TED talk from the project's founder, and he says that laptops are useful. Fixing poverty requires more then just giving water and food, and giving healtcare and social security of some kind is dependent on the government not charities.
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Why is it I see a child in a third world country holding a laptop and staring at it powered down because his house doesn't have a wall outlet.

Seriously, how about investing the money in providing infrastructure to get them clean water, build schools, and safe transport.
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Gil Hamilton wrote:Why is it I see a child in a third world country holding a laptop and staring at it powered down because his house doesn't have a wall outlet.
It's actually crank powered (no pun intended).
Seriously, how about investing the money in providing infrastructure to get them clean water, build schools, and safe transport.
Exactly - laptops are not going to do it. There's a lot better things they can be spending the cash on.
Zixinus wrote:They are giving it to places where they do not lack them that much, actually. And they building off somewhat from experience. I watched a TED talk from the project's founder, and he says that laptops are useful. Fixing poverty requires more then just giving water and food, and giving healtcare and social security of some kind is dependent on the government not charities.
I somehow doubt giving away a bunch of laptops is going to be any real help.
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Zixinus wrote:They are giving it to places where they do not lack them that much, actually. And they building off somewhat from experience. I watched a TED talk from the project's founder, and he says that laptops are useful. Fixing poverty requires more then just giving water and food, and giving healtcare and social security of some kind is dependent on the government not charities.
Use the money to build railroads to improve the efficiency of moving all goods. Or dams to increase the available electricity, because the fact that they're equipped with a hand-crank is an obvious sign of a country lacking in even basic infrastructure, which must be rectified before these people can do anything at all except suffer, computer or not.

The idea that improving the education of people in the third world is going to help them is simply wrong at this point, because these people could and should be getting richer by doing manual labour building dams, irrigation canals, and railroads, and stringing power line, which does not require you to have a computer to learn how to do. It's their children or grandchildren, once those projects are done, who will need computers and college educations.
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The only way I could see "laptop for every kid" working is:
  • Shelf life of one hundred years!
  • Operable by hand crank
  • Works in any conditions from -50 to 50
  • Waterproof, durable, rugged
  • Zero maintainence required
  • Permanent, free access to the Internet
Looks not like a "laptop" but something the military would use. Aid workers would walk in and with their sacs of grain, bring in a suitcase device which a town or village could use kind of like a G.E.C.K! The biggest trick would be the zero maintainence part, and would probably require proprietary technology.

An alternative is self-maintainence, but I have no idea how that would work. Computer users in first world nations are stupid enough to let their computers get infested by spyware and trojans so in other places it'd be worse unless it was impossible... proprietary everything, accessing proprietary servers and unable to download anything but just view web pages.

They overestimate kids. I didn't give a fuck who owned what when I was a kid, and owning my own thing did not make me more likely to take care of it. A community laptop could encourage sharing and discourage Internet junkies. I'd be more of an Internet junkie if it wasn't for me forced to share Internet as a kid with my brother... we had a "2 hour" rule.
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Here is a quote from their wiki:
You're forcing this on poverty stricken areas that need food, water and housing rather than a laptop.

False: Not at all. Like it was said earlier, this is only a tool and should not be seen as more than that. We agree that other more urgent matters must be attended to before you insert high tech into the situation of poverty.

Not everybody agrees with that idea. Some think that access to the Net is the fastest way for poor people to get the political clout to require their governments to provide services to them. Or to get the education for real jobs that take them out of poverty completely. Or access to innovative technologies for providing food, water, clothing, shelter, energy, etc.

But we believe education and communication with the modern world to be important as well. Food, water, clothing and other necessities come first. Nevertheless, a world view and good education can do wonders for a child's mind and continued health. Computers, especially those that are networked, have shown to be development 'multipliers', that is they help to improve the delivery of medical, educational and communication services.

Whilst I applaud the innovative nature of the project and particularly the conceptual model surrounding "Sugar", it worries me that it is being foisted upon the so-called third-world communities; it all smacks too much of the flavour of some kind of social pedagogical "experiment". There is, I suppose, a great deal of sense in the argument that such communities have not been exposed to and pre-conditioned by existing interfaces and their established standards, and will thus be more amenable to alternatives. However, I can't help feeling that strategies for optimum learning are by their very nature culturally dependent, as indeed are any notions of what might be considered valuable knowledge. I can't help thinking that it is unlikely that these "third-world" communities have had much genuine say in the OLPC project's design and planning... Once again, "wisdom" seems to be in the hands of the rich, generous, patriarchal white nations of the "West". Perhaps the "experiment" would have been better carried out in the US?

Nevertheless, I find the concepts truly fascinating and regardless of my concerns I certainly hope the project proves successful. All going well, the interface will hopefully be flexible enough to mould itself to the cultural behaviour and activities of its users. The hierarchical model of the traditional desktop GUI, on the other hand, certainly models the Linnaean-like structures of the colonial past and, I fear, of the postcolonial present.
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A few comments about "pedagogical experiments" and Sugar: OLPC pedagogy is based upon Constructionism, the gist of which is that you learn through doing, so if you want more learning, you want more doing. While this approach is not epistemologically agnostic, it is for the most part culturally agnostic: it is—by design—amenable to adaptation to local cultural values in regard to what "doing" is appropriate. Projects tend to be grounded in local contexts; one role of the teacher is to help the children shape their constructions within these contexts. Constructionism is not a new idea—it has been used by teachers and learning for many decades, not just in the "West" but in virtually every corner of planet. Many of its greatest theorists and practitioners come from the developing world.

The role of Sugar is simply to provide some affordances that enable children to explore, express, and communicate. Sugar is a community project that has contributors from a diverse base; feedback from teachers and students in roughly one-dozen trials in the developing world has greatly influenced the design. Further, it is—by design—free and open. --Walter 04:11, 15 September 2007 (EDT)
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TED talk: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/41

It's too late for me to quote why the guy thinks this would work. Short story, he gave more expensive laptops to poor areas and he found that it had positive effects on education.
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phongn wrote:It's actually crank powered (no pun intended).
Crank powered laptop? Oh god, I remembered hearing about those. I thought they shot that idea down because they weren't all that useful and connected to the internet via WiFi... which has no hotspots to service in the areas they want to send these too.

I'm all for helping the Third World, but this sounds like some Tech Nerds Wet Dream where he envisions the children of the Third World using their laptops to get the education denied to them via the internet and RISING UP, as though the hand cranked laptop will prevent them from dying of dysentery or being hacked up by a machete in the latest round of ethnic cleansing.
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What makes me want to barf is they're making it look "cute."

This is not intended to be a mass market fashionable statement. Make it look like a piece of military equipment and act like one, that is rugged and powerful, make it the size of a suitcase nuke (miniturization costs fucking money I bet they could save tons using bigger). Hell, make it a fucking booth with access to satellite Internet and operable by a guy on a bike.

The problem, of course, is maintainence, which is why everything from the chips to the software should be designed from the ground up. Why the fuck can't engineers and scientists these days design IC's from the ground up? (I am aware of the complexity problems but if they can't get together the brains and the money to do this they should just admit defeat.) Why do they have to rely on off-the-shelf components? I'm sure that you save a ton using off-the-shelf but it gives a lot of weaknesses and isn't designed specifically for the purpose, survivability and reliability.

And they should get over their Linux hard on already. Why not make their own operating system? A simple completely proprietary one, with a proprietary web browser? It should be more than just "tinker." With such an ambitious goal they should go from the ground up or not try at all.
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Gil Hamilton wrote:Crank powered laptop? Oh god, I remembered hearing about those. I thought they shot that idea down because they weren't all that useful and connected to the internet via WiFi... which has no hotspots to service in the areas they want to send these too.
I was half-right - there's a rechargeable battery but options for mechanical-power recharging where generator/solar/wind/grid power is unavailable. It also has quite a bit of software built-in, too.
brianeyci wrote:This is not intended to be a mass market fashionable statement. Make it look like a piece of military equipment and act like one, that is rugged and powerful, make it the size of a suitcase nuke (miniturization costs fucking money I bet they could save tons using bigger). Hell, make it a fucking booth with access to satellite Internet and operable by a guy on a bike.
While not super-rugged, it is apparently designed to be robust and survive in the field. And it's also all COTS stuff, so I doubt they paid much price in miniaturization.
The problem, of course, is maintainence, which is why everything from the chips to the software should be designed from the ground up. Why the fuck can't engineers and scientists these days design IC's from the ground up? (I am aware of the complexity problems but if they can't get together the brains and the money to do this they should just admit defeat.) Why do they have to rely on off-the-shelf components? I'm sure that you save a ton using off-the-shelf but it gives a lot of weaknesses and isn't designed specifically for the purpose, survivability and reliability.
Obviously you have no clue how software and hardware design work. They're trying to get costs down - which means mass-produced, volume-scaling components - and you want them to custom-design the whole thing? :roll:
And they should get over their Linux hard on already. Why not make their own operating system? A simple completely proprietary one, with a proprietary web browser? It should be more than just "tinker." With such an ambitious goal they should go from the ground up or not try at all.
They're using Linux because it's free, and much of the software engineering work has already been done. Contrary to what you think, building a reasonable operating system is long, hard work. The same goes for building a good web browser.
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phongn wrote:They're trying to get costs down - which means mass-produced, volume-scaling components - and you want them to custom-design the whole thing? :roll:
I already mentioned that costs go down with off-the-shelf. Maybe I should put the question another way. Ten kids in a village, computers for all. How about one computer for ten kids? The problem is like what my shop teacher said in high school: get someone from the industry and they think you need 20 lathes for everybody when you really only need one.

In short, the entire premise seems flawed.
Contrary to what you think, building a reasonable operating system is long, hard work. The same goes for building a good web browser.
I'm reminded of walking into malls with the computer booths (you have them where you are?) and looking at the blue screen of death and laughing. Linux may not have that, but there are bound to be problems which require technical expertise unavailable to the third world. If they can't make a true operating system, they can just design software intended only for the use of that specific hardware. If they aren't prepared for long hard work maybe they should just quit, because I don't think their idea is to run a fucking 1-800 hotline for the unsecure, expensive to travel to third world for technical support.
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These will all be confiscated for field use by the military of the countries that they're sent to, you know.
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brianeyci wrote:I already mentioned that costs go down with off-the-shelf. Maybe I should put the question another way. Ten kids in a village, computers for all. How about one computer for ten kids? The problem is like what my shop teacher said in high school: get someone from the industry and they think you need 20 lathes for everybody when you really only need one.
You could still use that one OLPC per class. Driving the price down and yet making it reasonable capable seems to be their overriding concern.
In short, the entire premise seems flawed.
Well, yes.
I'm reminded of walking into malls with the computer booths (you have them where you are?) and looking at the blue screen of death and laughing. Linux may not have that, but there are bound to be problems which require technical expertise unavailable to the third world.
If they're running a tested version of Linux with their own tested software, it shouldn't be problematic - or at least not any more problematic than your ridiculous idea of writing a custom OS and software suite from scratch.
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Why should each child receive a laptop? Computers are not essential goods; they are luxury items. If people have them and necessary components of civilization -- such as electricity and clean water -- are missing, then priorities somewhere are screwed up.

By way of analogy: what sort of response would a "one car in every family" drive receive?
One line of disagreement in the Techdirt post and comments is that there are more pressing needs for children in poor countries, such as food and clean water, but that seems like a narrow viewpoint. If we have to solve all existing problems before moving ahead with other technologies, we’d never invent the technologies that help solve existing problems. We should never have invested money in creating computers in the first place, I guess, because poverty and hunger existed then also.
The only real 'rebuttal' here is "that seems like a narrow viewpoint." The rest is a red herring: we're talking about resources that are going to shitholes in the first place. If we're going to send money somewhere, we should invest it in something long-lasting and necessary to the development of civilization in that area. And I haven't seen any arguments that convince me that a laptop in the hands of every single child is anything more than an enormous waste of wealth, let alone necessary to the development of civilization.
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The USA became the world's superpower because it built Canals in the 1830s, railroads in the mid to late 19th century, and dams in the 1930s through 1950s. This was done with the quality of the education system and its exposure to the average population changing very little until after WW2 and the GI bill, at which point a fully developed national infrastructure was already complete. Without a national infrastructure, an educated population is simply worthless.
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phongn wrote:Obviously you have no clue how software and hardware design work. They're trying to get costs down - which means mass-produced, volume-scaling components - and you want them to custom-design the whole thing?
While not as complex, they did reject Apple's offer to let them have Mac OS X because they wanted to customize the thing for every country it could be deployed in, which is ambitious to say the least. Nice idea, but totally impractical if this thing is successful for support reasons. Imagine having to deploy 5 different patches for 5 different operating systems in 5 different countries just for one security vulnerability. Not surprising that such an approach would come from the open source people, who actually think that kids in Africa give two shits about whether they can hack their operating system.

But at this point, it looks like they'll be having problems just getting the first version deployed in any kind of amounts that might recoup costs, much less amounts that would allow them to continue tweaking the OS. They have to subsidize their mounting costs by selling these horrifically ugly things for $500 to the first world. And the best part is that the people most interested in this are the ones who prefer to build their own computers from off-the-shelf parts, because normal people sure as hell won't buy a computer that looks like that, $500 or not. It's like a win-win scenario, only you don't win either way. I think that's called "lose-lose".

The OLPC project is, frankly, a stupid idea for reasons already mentioned. It puts the cart before the horse and is just the sort of feel-good crap you'd expect from an ivory tower academic (to regretfully borrow a phrase from the Republican playbook). Is it a nice idea in principle? Sure. But what wireless networks are these kids going to connect their OLPCs to? What ethernet ports are they going to plug into? What exactly are they going to do with these things? Write code? Are you kidding?

This is an idea from the early 1990's, when a computer without an Internet connection was actually useful for something. Nowadays, people in the first world can't find a use for a computer with no network connectivity. How the hell are uneducated, illiterate kids in the third world supposed to?
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Crank powered laptop? Oh god, I remembered hearing about those. I thought they shot that idea down because they weren't all that useful and connected to the internet via WiFi... which has no hotspots to service in the areas they want to send these too.
Actually, it doesn't use cranks. That was the idea at one point, but dropped. It uses a foot pedal, which is far more powerful. It can also draw from others sources, like solar panels or proper electric outlets.
The problem, of course, is maintainence, which is why everything from the chips to the software should be designed from the ground up. Why the fuck can't engineers and scientists these days design IC's from the ground up? (I am aware of the complexity problems but if they can't get together the brains and the money to do this they should just admit defeat.) Why do they have to rely on off-the-shelf components? I'm sure that you save a ton using off-the-shelf but it gives a lot of weaknesses and isn't designed specifically for the purpose, survivability and reliability.
Erm, the money necessary to actually get that done? Re-designing everything doesn't sound like a very cheap enterprise for me. Getting off-the-shell components that are already cheap due to mass production seems almost commonsensical to me.

As for survivability, its all about the casing and materials used, don't you think?
I'm reminded of walking into malls with the computer booths (you have them where you are?) and looking at the blue screen of death and laughing. Linux may not have that, but there are bound to be problems which require technical expertise unavailable to the third world. If they can't make a true operating system, they can just design software intended only for the use of that specific hardware. If they aren't prepared for long hard work maybe they should just quit, because I don't think their idea is to run a fucking 1-800 hotline for the unsecure, expensive to travel to third world for technical support.
It is, in a way, intended for specific hardware. You can change the operating system supposedly. Have you read the hardware specs? This is really a cheap computer, and it doesn't have a HDD. It has a 1GB memory stick for storing stuff. They NEED Linux because it uses hardware effectively. But if you want, you can supposedly put other stuff on it.
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Am I the naive one to think that the people that ORGANISED that stuff were educated and knew that it would be worth building those things? Or because the government allowed it to happen as it had people that knew that such an enterprise is worth it to the end?
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Zixinus wrote:Am I the naive one to think that the people that ORGANISED that stuff were educated and knew that it would be worth building those things? Or because the government allowed it to happen as it had people that knew that such an enterprise is worth it to the end?
To be blunt, yes, I think you (and the whole OLPC group) are being naive.
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So, the people that funded, designed and organised the Canals, the rail roads and dams in the USA were illiterate and uneducated? I can believe that the construction workers and operators were, as well as future users, but those that actually did the mental and financial work of actually doing it?

It is rather obvious that a laptop won't give a child anything to eat. But aren't there allot of charities that are already aim on that, that also have quite a big budget to work with?

As for how the founder responces, here is one answer from an interview:
LAPTOP: Critics of the OLPC project maintain that developing countries need food, development, and medical aid--not laptops. What's your response?
NN: Substitute the word "education" for "laptop" and you will never ask that question again. The theory of OLPC is simple: There are 1.2 billion children in primary and secondary schools worldwide. Fifty percent of those schools have no electricity, and many are so rural they hold class under a tree. Many teachers do not show up, or have barely a sixth-grade education themselves. Under these conditions, while we build schools and train teachers (a 20- to 30-year process), let's leverage the children themselves, inside and outside of the school.
Also, a correcting statement: the laptop is mostly intended for DEVELOPING countries that just begin to have the infrastructure and have the ability to give food and water to its population. Where there are schools, elementary schools at least, but not academies or similarly advanced schools. Not all of the laptops are meant to be given to some unknown African tribe by some white stranger, which is then dumped or sold for a loaf of bread to passing soldiers. While possibly naive, OLPC have included precautions againts theft and has thought up strategies againts stealing.

Furthermore, this charity closely works with the country's educational ministers and system. OLPC is not giving the laptops themselves, they are giving it trough whatever educational government there is. Meaning that there is a government involved, and a government that thinks that it can give laptops to its children. And when a government thinks that its worth giving millions for getting children a laptop, I have enough faith in the human race that things may be good enough for the laptops to be warrant enough.

Also, the way they are commercially selling laptops: "give one to get one". I believe the name says it all.

What OLPC is trying to do, is to give the same benefits children in the Western world enjoy from computers to countries where a computer is not available, either by market or financially, to the average family.

Again, the benefiting country's governments are buying the laptops, and not on your taxdollar (I think). If you believe that they should better spend their money, talk to them.

As for how the whole thing is done, look at their Wiki. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Home I'm tired of being a speechpipe.
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Zixinus wrote:So, the people that funded, designed and organised the Canals, the rail roads and dams in the USA were illiterate and uneducated? I can believe that the construction workers and operators were, as well as future users, but those that actually did the mental and financial work of actually doing it?
No, of course not, and neither are a sizeable portion of people in the Third World, dumbfucker. Are you seriously racist enough to think that EVERYONE in the third world is an uneducated illiterate? Have you ever heard of Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow? A lack of educational opportunities for their current level of social sophistication is NOT their problem. Even if this programme worked, all it would do is create people who have a knowledge base which they CANNOT UTILIZE BECAUSE THERE IS NO INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE INDUSTRIES WHICH REQUIRE A KNOWLEDGE BASE IN THE FIRST PLACE. How hard it is, seriously, to process that? Or do you just prefer to wank to the idea of the Magic Laptop making everything better? Furthermore, a lack of education doesn't even hamper their economic opportunities, as in an undeveloped society like those in Africa, being a guy who pours concrete into a dam actually gives you the economic prospects for a highly successful lifelong career which allows you to ably provide for your family.
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Zixinus wrote:So, the people that funded, designed and organised the Canals, the rail roads and dams in the USA were illiterate and uneducated? I can believe that the construction workers and operators were, as well as future users, but those that actually did the mental and financial work of actually doing it?
Damn it, I totally misread what you wrote, my apologies. I was referring to the OLPC group being naive.
It is rather obvious that a laptop won't give a child anything to eat. But aren't there allot of charities that are already aim on that, that also have quite a big budget to work with?
Yes, they do. I think they could use more resources, too.
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