Darkstar's so called "Rebuttal" of MoO

[Stravo]

The problem is that by removing stuff from Star Trek canon, we actually have *less* weak spots to capitalize

Dorkstar is to stupid to recognize this. He thinks if Wars is limited to just movies and he can open up Trek to just about anything that out of sheer weight of sources he can out do Wars.

He is a posterchild for children born without brains leading normal lives.

[Darth Wong]

He is a posterchild for children born without brains leading normal lives.

He's leading a normal life?

[Master of Ossus]

What I want to know is what makes someone like RSA like they are? What incident (or incidents) made Scooter the master of Bullshitting that he is?

I think it is a series of minor tragedies, that remove him from a social life.

Incidentally, I just showed one of my friends the debate that Mike had with RSA. He just read through the first two salvos, and commented simply. "Damn, Scooter got SCHOOLED."

[CmdrWilkens]

The only reason why Dorkstar is trying desperately to toss out the EU is for a very simple reason, the EU provides hard numbers as to weapons and shield strengths in SW, (ICS) for Trek its the silver bullet for ANY argument re: vs. Just whip out 200 gigatons and the Hudson line from aliens can be repeated by Trekkies all over: "game over, man...game over."

ICS is not EU though.

That'd be kinda iffy of a statement. It clearly is not part of the "movies, novelisations, screenplays, radio plays" group yet it clearly is not part of the post- pre- and in-between trilogy book series. The ICSs and VDs (as well as the Inside Worlds book) are almost something of an anomaly and they do or don't fall into the EU depending upon what you classify the EU to mean, if it means everything not in the movies, novelisations, screenplays, and radio plays then they are in it.

[His Divine Shadow]

That'd be kinda iffy of a statement. It clearly is not part of the "movies, novelisations, screenplays, radio plays" group yet it clearly is not part of the post- pre- and in-between trilogy book series. The ICSs and VDs (as well as the Inside Worlds book) are almost something of an anomaly and they do or don't fall into the EU depending upon what you classify the EU to mean, if it means everything not in the movies, novelisations, screenplays, and radio plays then they are in it.

EU is the expanded universe, these books deal with the movies, hence they are according to Sansweets quote higher canon than the EU wich is farther from the movie.
They're tagged as officially sanctioned works by LFL, and couple it with Sansweets quote they might belong in first tier Canon, below the movies, novelisations, screenplays, and radio plays.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

Perhaps if DarkStar had a life, he wouldn't be doing this. He thrives on negative attention, because he isn't able to seek praise. So, he decides to piss people off. And he probably enjoys it.

Anyway, I say we shouldn't give up, and try to get him to concede. Perhaps, it will be done in our lifetimes.

[CmdrWilkens]

That'd be kinda iffy of a statement. It clearly is not part of the "movies, novelisations, screenplays, radio plays" group yet it clearly is not part of the post- pre- and in-between trilogy book series. The ICSs and VDs (as well as the Inside Worlds book) are almost something of an anomaly and they do or don't fall into the EU depending upon what you classify the EU to mean, if it means everything not in the movies, novelisations, screenplays, and radio plays then they are in it.

EU is the expanded universe<snip>

Which, because EU is never explicitly defined, could mean everything that isn't a movie, novelisation, screenplay, or radioplay. In other words you are limiting a term that may not be so limited since it has never been given an explicit definition.

[Vympel]

EU is the expanded universe, these books deal with the movies, hence they are according to Sansweets quote higher canon than the EU wich is farther from the movie.
They're tagged as officially sanctioned works by LFL, and couple it with Sansweets quote they might belong in first tier Canon, below the movies, novelisations, screenplays, and radio plays.

I wouldn't say they're canon. Just the absolute utter apex of official- via the Sansweet quote.

[His Divine Shadow]

Which, because EU is never explicitly defined, could mean everything that isn't a movie, novelisation, screenplay, or radioplay. In other words you are limiting a term that may not be so limited since it has never been given an explicit definition.

Well the words "expanded universe" sounds to like anything thats got nothing to do with the movies.

[Lord Edam]

Which, because EU is never explicitly defined, could mean everything that isn't a movie, novelisation, screenplay, or radioplay. In other words you are limiting a term that may not be so limited since it has never been given an explicit definition.

Well the words "expanded universe" sounds to like anything thats got nothing to do with the movies.

"expanded universe" means anything that expands on the universe - adds things we don't see in the movies.

Whilst ICS, VD etc. might be based very closely on the movies they most definitly do add things that are made up for the book rather than taken from the movie.

Plus, the "expanded universe" bit of the SW databank tends to quote from them, showing they are EU and not "something else"

[Ryoga]

Hey, I'm one of DarkStar's "anonymous Warsies" now. That's kinda freaky.

[Darth Wong]

Darkstar's actually not a new phenomenon. The disease was first spotted in the persona of Timothy Jones. See the Timothy Jones FAQ.

[RedImperator]

Darkstar's actually not a new phenomenon. The disease was first spotted in the persona of Timothy Jones. See the Timothy Jones FAQ.

I'm curious about something. I wasn't around for TJ. Was he really worse than Darkstar? They sound like pretty much the same personality, but sifting through the FUQ, looking at old Google posts, and reading the TJ-Mike Wong debate, it just seems like Darkstar is a lot more obscessed, a lot more stubborn, and a lot more disruptive than TJ was.

[Sonnenburg]

The two are very much alike. The key difference is the arrogance of TJ. He always spoke down to you, even when he was saying some of his patently absurd things.

Another thing was that he clung to disproven arguments like they were gospel truth that he could not give up. He called Star Wars a pre-warp civilization once. I think one of the best examples of his screwy take was the argument of Wars weakness because of material technology. He posted an essay on how Trek is better because they use Tritanium, while Star Wars uses Durastele. Durastele must be based on "steel" so it is therefore primitive. Well, Timmy must have realized that his absurd interpretation rested solely on the name of Durastele, so to support himself he misspelled steel as "stele" for the entire post, as if no one would notice! While Scoot has been both arrogant and plays fast and loose with the truth, he didn't go the Timmy distance of actually distorting a one-syllable word to support an argument that was already ridiculous to begin with.

The one way that Scoot was worse is that he was more likely to deny reality. When TJ was backed into a corner he'd jump ship and later claim victory. Scoot would continue ad infinitum while claiming he'd already won. Perhaps in that sense Scoot was worse, because his approach was to completely ignore what everyone else could see (like I said in ASVS, if I held up evidence in my hand catching someone in a lie, others would try to work their way out of it; Scoot would deny I was holding up the evidence).

[SirNitram]

I think what's most amazing is the descent of Darkstar. When I came to ASVS, Guardian 2K was just one of the Pro-Trek debators who had vanished for a bit. Fair enough, I thought. When he came around the first time, he was a stubborn SOB but not all that insane. Next time, he was just stupid, but would eventually abandon the field(Warp Strafing threads in the hundreds of posts..).

Then he becomes Darkstar. Like a superhero donning his cape, his powers increased exponentially, although only for the use of evil, the evil that is ignorance and deceit.

[RedImperator]

(like I said in ASVS, if I held up evidence in my hand catching someone in a lie, others would try to work their way out of it; Scoot would deny I was holding up the evidence).

So YOU were the one who wrote that. I laughed my ass off when I read it. Thanks for answering my question, by the way.