15 y. old girl jailed with 20+ men, raped daily for a month

[Netko]

News.com.au

A 15-YEAR-old girl was put in a Brazilian jail cell with more than 20 men, and for a month was raped relentlessly and forced to have sex for food, human rights groups say.

"She was raped from day one'' at the jail in Para state, a Children and Adolescent Defence Centre (Cedeca) spokeswoman said.

The number of men in the cell varied from 20 to 34 while the girl, a robbery suspect, was there.

"She was raped innumerable times and forced to exchange sexual relations for food,'' said Miere Cohen, the president of the Order of Brazilian Lawyers Human Rights Commission.

Media reports of the case have sparked outrage across Brazil, especially since it closely followed an earlier incident of a 23-year-old woman who was also jailed in Para state for one month together with 70 men.

The teenager, whose identity was not disclosed, was arrested in Para state capital Abaetetuba on October 21 on suspicion of robbery and put behind bars at a local police station jailhouse until an anonymous caller tipped off the media.

"Nobody really knows what she was charged with. She was a suspect in a robbery but police were unable to tell us which robbery. There was no formal charge,'' Ms Cohen said.

The girl's lawyers said police at one point said they believed the suspect was not under-age.

"Whether she was 15, 20, 50, 80 or 100 doesn't matter. A woman should not have been kept in a jail cell with men,'' Para Governor Ana Julia Carepa said.

She said she would mete out "exemplary punishment'' in the case.

The girl, whose family is very poor, "is distraught and very afraid, but said she's able to recognise the police officers who locked her up and the detainees who raped her. She's ready to talk", the Cedeca spokeswoman said.

WTF?!? How can this happen in any remotely civilized country? I could understand this sort of news coming from somewhere like Saudi Arabia with its delightful judicial mindset (see the article about the rape victim getting lashed) or a similarly fucked up place with regards to basic human rights, but fucking Brazil? I know it ain't exactly Scandinavia when it comes to it, but I'm honestly surprised.

Don't really know what to say without going into the stupid RAR! torture, disembowel, kill routine, but this example of inhumanity really got to me for some reason. What the fuck were those human excrements that masquerade as guards doing?!? Its essentially state-sponsored continual rape. I'm having trouble thinking of a worse realistic rape scenario then the circumstances here (beyond the "usual" prolonged pedophilia cases, but even there society as a whole, except in few cases, doesn't fail the victim as much as in this case).

Poor, poor girl.

[SCRawl]

No question, this is awfully disturbing, especially since it apparently demonstrates a pattern (if two incidents can be called a pattern). I wonder how many more such cases have gone unreported. Not that one or two isn't enough.

[Julhelm]

That is quite simply disgusting. I wouldn't be surprised if the girl is of indian descent.

[Sea Skimmer]

WTF?!? How can this happen in any remotely civilized country? I could understand this sort of news coming from somewhere like Saudi Arabia with its delightful judicial mindset (see the article about the rape victim getting lashed) or a similarly fucked up place with regards to basic human rights, but fucking Brazil? I know it ain't exactly Scandinavia when it comes to it, but I'm honestly surprised.

Then you obviously have never heard anything about the insane out of control crime in that country and its totally hopeless prison system. Go buy City of God, a truly great movie, and watch it and the documentary on Brazilian crime that comes with it. The Saudis almost certainly have a more functional prison system; it would be really damn hard to be worse.

[Julhelm]

Addendum:

What I mean by that last statement is that since people of native descent are often treated as untermench in various south american countries, it could be that the cops collect cash from the inmates in exchange for "good times", and they then go arrest a random girl. Especially considering both cases took part in the same state and for the same time.

[Lord of the Abyss]

WTF?!? How can this happen in any remotely civilized country? I could understand this sort of news coming from somewhere like Saudi Arabia with its delightful judicial mindset (see the article about the rape victim getting lashed) or a similarly fucked up place with regards to basic human rights, but fucking Brazil? I know it ain't exactly Scandinavia when it comes to it, but I'm honestly surprised.

I'm not surprised; I've read about this sort of thing happening in America. The only unusual thing is that it's a girl and not a boy put in with adults and raped.

[wolveraptor]

The key difference between Brazil and Saudi Arabia is stuff like this:

the Order of Brazilian Lawyers Human Rights Commission...Children and Adolescent Defence Centre (Cedeca)...The girl, whose family is very poor, "is distraught and very afraid, but said she's able to recognise the police officers who locked her up and the detainees who raped her. She's ready to talk", the Cedeca spokeswoman said.

Human rights comissions, organizations that support children, and the acceptance of women's testimony show that the misogyny here is at least not entrenched in the government itself.

[scythewielder]

Yeah, the fact that at least there are organized forces within the government and civil society that listen to the victims and try to fight those abuses by punishing those responsible is a good point.

But it's still sad that this kind of shit and more (torture, murder) does happen in other Latin American jails as well. Too many criminals guarded by too few guards in often shameful and overcrowded detention facilities isn't as rare a phenomenon as it should be, and all that (in a social environment with relatively high criminality) ends up fostering corruption, arbitrary abuses and indifference.

Addendum:

What I mean by that last statement is that since people of native descent are often treated as untermench in various south american countries, it could be that the cops collect cash from the inmates in exchange for "good times", and they then go arrest a random girl. Especially considering both cases took part in the same state and for the same time.

I think that scenario is quite possible, but so far nobody has posted any information about the racial makeup of the girl, the rapists or the guards. For all we know, they could all look quite similar, racially speaking, which isn't really going to stop those assholes.

[Flagg]

I was reading another story where the police were actually trying to defend themselves by suggesting the girl was actually older than 15. As if that's so much better.

[wolveraptor]

I was reading another story where the police were actually trying to defend themselves by suggesting the girl was actually older than 15. As if that's so much better.

"Ah, you say she's older than 15? Well then, sorry for the inconvenience, lads. Carry on with the raping and whatnot."

[SAMAS]

How they hell did they think that wasn't going to happen?

[Flagg]

How they hell did they think that wasn't going to happen?

Why would you assume they thought that wasn't going to happen? They put her in there knowing damned well what was going to happen.

[Darth Wong]

Question: if it was a young man being gang-raped instead of a young woman, would we react differently? After all, we joke about prison rape all the time.

[Flagg]

Question: if it was a young man being gang-raped instead of a young woman, would we react differently? After all, we joke about prison rape all the time.

Of course we would, though I don't know that there still wouldn't be quite a bit of outrage. I imagine that the "He should have thought about that before breakin' the law!" crowd would be more vocal in that instance, though.

There is a perception that a male is better able to defend themselves against that type of thing, despite how fucking retarded it is when we're talking about a teenager.

[Lord of the Abyss]

Question: if it was a young man being gang-raped instead of a young woman, would we react differently?

I think most people would either be indifferent, or give a mild "tsk-tsk how awful". And there'd be a fair chance of someone starting a flamefest by posting something about "Hey, maybe that'll teach him to obey the law !"

[Singular Intellect]

Question: if it was a young man being gang-raped instead of a young woman, would we react differently? After all, we joke about prison rape all the time.

Well, I will honestly admit that I wouldn't feel as bad as I do about this particular situation.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still be disgusted, insist it never should happened and agree something should be done about it.

But I will admit I always feel more protective and outraged about abuse towards women than men. It's a sexist attitude for sure, but I honestly can't help it. Perhaps it's because I have higher expectation for men to take punishment, defend and stand up for themselves, and that expectation alters my perception even in situations where gender would be pretty much irrelevent.

[Rye]

Question: if it was a young man being gang-raped instead of a young woman, would we react differently? After all, we joke about prison rape all the time.

I would've thought so. I'd be plenty disgusted, anyway, all things being equal, a 15 year old boy getting raped every day and forced to use sex to get food when he was just a suspect for a robbery would horrify me just as much. The rest of the people replying that they'd treat it differently is pretty off-putting. I mean, what if it was you? What if it was a friend of yours and they got AIDS? Just horrible.

Of course, I don't feel so bad when really nasty people get raped in prison, but I don't hold that up against gender either. If Rosemary West and Fred West were raped, I'd shrug and say they deserved it equally.

[Coalition]

Another idea:
What if it had been a guy thrown into a women's prison, same situation?

Note: I am not approving of what happened, but another viewpoint might be interesting.

[Megabot]

Question: if it was a young man being gang-raped instead of a young woman, would we react differently? After all, we joke about prison rape all the time.

I seem to remember a couple of members joking about the possibility of Paris Hilton being raped in her arrest thread awhile back. Considering that rape in women's prisons is often perpetuated by the guards, her hypothetical rape didn't have to be necessarily perpetuated by women, either.

Of course we would, though I don't know that there still wouldn't be quite a bit of outrage. I imagine that the "He should have thought about that before breakin' the law!" crowd would be more vocal in that instance, though.

There is a perception that a male is better able to defend themselves against that type of thing, despite how fucking retarded it is when we're talking about a teenager.

I agree, that double standard is sexist against both genders (condescending towards females, apathetic towards males) and really makes my blood boil.

Another idea:
What if it had been a guy thrown into a women's prison, same situation?

Note: I am not approving of what happened, but another viewpoint might be interesting.

Probably a different reaction as well. Another double standard at work here I suppose.

[General Zod]

I agree, that double standard is sexist against both genders (condescending towards females, apathetic towards males) and really makes my blood boil.

The one very compelling reason that women have it worse with rape is that men can't get pregnant. If a woman gets pregnant through being raped then they have to worry about a potential baby as well as whether or not they've contracted any diseases.

[Megabot]

The one very compelling reason that women have it worse with rape is that men can't get pregnant. If a woman gets pregnant through being raped then they have to worry about a potential baby as well as whether or not they've contracted any diseases.

There's that, but I think it largely has to do with the attitudes towards females vs. males stated by Bubble Boy. Though I agree that women have more consequences from sex than men, rape and violence is just as physically and psychologically damaging to either gender, which is why I don't discriminate when it comes to outrage against violence, both sexual and not, and find my temper rising when someone does.

[Mr. T]

Question: if it was a young man being gang-raped instead of a young woman, would we react differently? After all, we joke about prison rape all the time.

I would've thought so. I'd be plenty disgusted, anyway, all things being equal, a 15 year old boy getting raped every day and forced to use sex to get food when he was just a suspect for a robbery would horrify me just as much. The rest of the people replying that they'd treat it differently is pretty off-putting. I mean, what if it was you? What if it was a friend of yours and they got AIDS? Just horrible.

Of course, I don't feel so bad when really nasty people get raped in prison, but I don't hold that up against gender either. If Rosemary West and Fred West were raped, I'd shrug and say they deserved it equally.

I'm in agreement with this post. I'm pretty disgusted by anyone saying they'd feel more sympathy for a woman. Getting all sorts of nasty STD's and a bleeding anus and recurring nightmares for the rest of your life isn't fun for either gender. A similar thought crossed my mind when I first read the news article, if it would have been deemed newsworthy had it been a man.

As a side note, anyone notice how people seem to never get enough of these sexual assault type news stories. I frequent some online newspapers and without fail, whenever there's an article on something like a teacher having sex with a student or a report on an arrested pedophile etc. without fail those articles always top the "most read" section of the online newspaper.

[LadyTevar]

As a side note, anyone notice how people seem to never get enough of these sexual assault type news stories. I frequent some online newspapers and without fail, whenever there's an article on something like a teacher having sex with a student or a report on an arrested pedophile etc. without fail those articles always top the "most read" section of the online newspaper.

It's about Sex. That's all there is to it. To the majority of the world, sex is a dark, hidden thing that you're not supposed to talk about, but online, you can read about it as much as you want. It's titilating.

[Sidewinder]

I'm thinking, WTF?! Aren't jail cells segregated by gender, i.e., the men and women are kept in different cells?

Heads better roll for the bureaucratic fuckup that made the girl a rape victim.

[Flagg]

I'm thinking, WTF?! Aren't jail cells segregated by gender, i.e., the men and women are kept in different cells?

Heads better roll for the bureaucratic fuckup that made the girl a rape victim.

What makes you think it was a bureacratic fuckup?