A Question About The Force

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2007-11-25 02:07pm

Surlethe wrote: When was the last time you saw any DBZ characters shoot lightning from their fingertips?

Actually Master Roshi could do that (embarassed that I know that)

lord Martiya · Post by **lord Martiya** » 2007-11-25 02:10pm

I can conform, he did in the first on-screen Tenkaichi Tournament against Goku and recalled to had do the same against Son Gohan ('uncle' of Goku), And I'm not embarassed.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2007-11-25 03:05pm

OmegaGuy wrote:
Surlethe wrote: When was the last time you saw any DBZ characters shoot lightning from their fingertips?
Actually Master Roshi could do that (embarassed that I know that)

All your lame meme's you post in testing proudly and it's the DBZ facts you're embarassed about?

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2007-11-26 12:13am

Lord Pounder wrote:
OmegaGuy wrote:
Surlethe wrote: When was the last time you saw any DBZ characters shoot lightning from their fingertips?
Actually Master Roshi could do that (embarassed that I know that)
All your lame meme's you post in testing proudly and it's the DBZ facts you're embarassed about?

They are NOT lame!

And they're called fads, not "memes" (which is just a stupid buzzword anyway)

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-11-26 02:06am

OmegaGuy wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote:
OmegaGuy wrote: Actually Master Roshi could do that (embarassed that I know that)
All your lame meme's you post in testing proudly and it's the DBZ facts you're embarassed about?
They are NOT lame!

And they're called fads, not "memes" (which is just a stupid buzzword anyway)

A meme is: A trend, belief, fashion or phrase that is passed from generation to generation through imitation and behavioral replication.

A fad is: A fashion that is taken up with great enthusiasm for a brief period of time.

They are nearly synonymous, thus you're a dumbass.

Yes, I'm sure a word made by Richard Dawkins is a 'buzzword'.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2007-11-26 07:26am

General Schatten wrote:Yes, I'm sure a word made by Richard Dawkins is a 'buzzword'.

No, it's a 'meme'. The way it is used now, it is very much a buzzword, regardless of who invented it.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-11-26 07:30am

A meme is: A trend, belief, fashion or phrase that is passed from generation to generation through imitation and behavioral replication.

Ergo, the stupid fads in Testing are not memes. Unless you think generational transmission is somehow the same as time-limited propagation among peer groups.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-11-26 08:21am

Bounty wrote:
A meme is: A trend, belief, fashion or phrase that is passed from generation to generation through imitation and behavioral replication.
Ergo, the stupid fads in Testing are not memes. Unless you think generational transmission is somehow the same as time-limited propagation among peer groups.

Do you have no reading comprehension whatsoever, or do you just look for reasons to be an ass to me? I said 'nearly synonymous', I did not say entirely.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-11-26 08:24am

Dooey Jo wrote:
General Schatten wrote:Yes, I'm sure a word made by Richard Dawkins is a 'buzzword'.
No, it's a 'meme'. The way it is used now, it is very much a buzzword, regardless of who invented it.

Can you give an example of where the word meme is used as 'a word or phrase connected with a specialized field or group that usually sounds important or technical and is used primarily to impress laypersons'

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2007-11-26 08:39am

General Schatten wrote:
Dooey Jo wrote:
General Schatten wrote:Yes, I'm sure a word made by Richard Dawkins is a 'buzzword'.
No, it's a 'meme'. The way it is used now, it is very much a buzzword, regardless of who invented it.
Can you give an example of where the word meme is used as 'a word or phrase connected with a specialized field or group that usually sounds important or technical and is used primarily to impress laypersons'

The Internet. Specifically the "meme-factories".

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-11-26 09:18am

Dooey Jo wrote:
General Schatten wrote:
Dooey Jo wrote: No, it's a 'meme'. The way it is used now, it is very much a buzzword, regardless of who invented it.
Can you give an example of where the word meme is used as 'a word or phrase connected with a specialized field or group that usually sounds important or technical and is used primarily to impress laypersons'
The Internet. Specifically the "meme-factories".

Wow, really important, technical, and impressive, except it sounds like it comes from the word mimic and then doesn't have any of those three attributes.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2007-11-26 09:58am

General Schatten wrote:
Dooey Jo wrote:
General Schatten wrote:Can you give an example of where the word meme is used as 'a word or phrase connected with a specialized field or group that usually sounds important or technical and is used primarily to impress laypersons'
The Internet. Specifically the "meme-factories".
Wow, really important, technical, and impressive, except it sounds like it comes from the word mimic and then doesn't have any of those three attributes.

What the hell kind of argument is that? It can't be a buzzword if it sounds stupid? Besides, Merriam-Webster disagrees with you, and describes perfectly how the word "meme" is used.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-11-26 10:09am

General Schatten

Do you have no reading comprehension whatsoever, or do you just look for reasons to be an ass to me? I said 'nearly synonymous', I did not say entirely.

"Nearly synonymous" does not mean they're interchangeable. A car is not a donkey, even though they're both "vehicles that can transport people or goods".

Can you give an example of where the word meme is used as 'a word or phrase connected with a specialized field or group that usually sounds important or technical and is used primarily to impress laypersons'

Testingstan, where dimwits like to use "meme" instead of "fad" because the former was made up by a real scientist and sounds like a totally awesome self-propagating idea instead of what those fads really are; mindlessly pasting together pop culture clichés that were lame to begin with. All to impress... well, other wankers who enjoy the same 4chan flotsam.

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2007-11-26 02:22pm

General Schatten wrote:
OmegaGuy wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote: All your lame meme's you post in testing proudly and it's the DBZ facts you're embarassed about?
They are NOT lame!

And they're called fads, not "memes" (which is just a stupid buzzword anyway)
A meme is: A trend, belief, fashion or phrase that is passed from generation to generation through imitation and behavioral replication.

A fad is: A fashion that is taken up with great enthusiasm for a brief period of time.

They are nearly synonymous, thus you're a dumbass.

Yes, I'm sure a word made by Richard Dawkins is a 'buzzword'.

Appeal to Authority

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2007-11-26 05:12pm

Either way, the things you post in testing aren't successful at being fads or memes, as they don't live on past the first generation. In fact, even Ein's picspam seems to enjoy more success at propagation.

Also, Dawkins coined and defined the term to describe an existing phenomenon. Unless you can generate a counterexample that shows his defintion is wrong, we really don't have reasonable grounds to reject his definition.

After all, what other term would you use to describe ideas or phrases that rapidly propagate beyond the initial context; for example; "The cake is a lie!", "I'm Rick James...", and even as far back as AYBABTU.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2007-11-26 06:05pm

Matt Huang wrote:After all, what other term would you use to describe ideas or phrases that rapidly propagate beyond the initial context; for example; "The cake is a lie!", "I'm Rick James...", and even as far back as AYBABTU.

Catch phrase.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2007-11-26 06:17pm

Dooey Jo wrote:
Matt Huang wrote:After all, what other term would you use to describe ideas or phrases that rapidly propagate beyond the initial context; for example; "The cake is a lie!", "I'm Rick James...", and even as far back as AYBABTU.
Catch phrase.

"All your base are belong to us" and "The cake is a lie" aren't catch phrases, as they aren't repeatedly used to identify a character or group of characters. The Chappell quote is a catchphrase though.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2007-11-27 04:28am

Matt Huang wrote:
Dooey Jo wrote:
Matt Huang wrote:After all, what other term would you use to describe ideas or phrases that rapidly propagate beyond the initial context; for example; "The cake is a lie!", "I'm Rick James...", and even as far back as AYBABTU.
Catch phrase.
"All your base are belong to us" and "The cake is a lie" aren't catch phrases, as they aren't repeatedly used to identify a character or group of characters. The Chappell quote is a catchphrase though.

I disagree; they identify the people that say AYBABTU and that video which started it all, and Portal and those who have played it.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2007-11-27 09:58am

I'll conceed on AYBABTU, because the entire video consists of Cats repeatedly saying that, but you don't even know who was responsible for TCIAL, and even then, it occured once, and whomever was responsible for it wasn't even a featured character in Portal. The rapid vectors of new infection which resulted in its relatively wide use (when compared to the initial portion of the population exposed to it) also didn't identify that it was from Portal, at least half the people I knew who spewed that phrase didn't know where it was from, let alone played the game to that point. It's much more a meme than a catchphrase.

Incidentally, can I get this entire tangent split to OT or Testing, so we don't clutter up PSW?

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2007-11-27 11:32am

Silly tangent is silly...DO NOT WANT

Should this be split off??

RIPP_n_WIPE · Post by **RIPP_n_WIPE** » 2007-11-28 09:56am

Here it is. Force users can not defeat DBZ characters of any decent degree. In a universe where the average Z fighter (late DBZ) has the capability to AT WILL completely destroy and or render a planet or small orbital body uninhabitable (Piccolo in the beginning of DBZ, when they were their weakest in the series, destroyed the moon), easily generate multi KT and MT energy blasts (and absorb or not be killed by said blasts), move at super sonics speeds (running) and flying at the same speed, teleport, and lift mountains telekineticly (Goku did this after training with king kai) as a simple ability there is no chance at all for a jedi. The only place that might pose a threat from what I know is the 40k 'verse and even then only elder warp powers and possible the C'tan would even pose a threat.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2007-11-28 10:09am

This one went into the shitter easily.

As for the DBZ arguments, always nice to see a retard fanboy blurt out this shit....again. Fucking A, I thought at least we weeded that shit out.

For the Meme versus Fads? Truly a meeting of great minds over which to interpret.

Locking, because the poster who put this forward is a fucking moron.