To be a cyborg yes or no

russellb6666 · Post by **russellb6666** » 2003-01-17 09:15am

If you could become a cyborg would you taking into account the coolness factor: example: have a weapon storage locker in your right arm, and the less cool more BS factor: example: waring between you human and machine ideas and motives.

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Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-17 09:22am

russellb6666 wrote:If you could become a cyborg would you taking into account the coolness factor: example: have a weapon storage locker in your right arm, and the less cool more BS factor: example: waring between you human and machine ideas and motives.

In any sort of properly designed cybernetic parts you shouldn't have them trying to take you over. It'd simply be an arm of leg made out of metal and gears rather than flesh. There's no reason for it to have conciousness or anything else.

And you can't get to much of the uber-wank attachments because you're still attaching it to a stock human. The organic bits and peices still have to be able to stand up to any stress put on them by the mechanical parts.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-17 09:25am

How bout brain in a jar, rest of the body robotic ?

Of course ... you have simulated nerve endings in all the right ... places.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-17 10:07am

I wouldn't mind having a few clean, maintenance-free implants. I wouldn't like losing my extremely good-looking body. I'd rather get some bio reconstruction and special biotech abilities.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-01-17 10:23am

'Cyborg' doesn't necessarily mean the vision of an unstoppable Inspector Gadget or something.

Personally, I wouldn't mind replacing any and all of the biological systems in my body except my central nervous system. To me, and most people, your body is just a constantly damaged and deteriorating canister for transporting your personality, intelligence and ego. Any improvements on that are welcome, but I don't need a stinger rocket launcher in my arm, or enchanced combat vision in my eyes, or a nuclear X-ray blaster affixed to my groin.

I think just more durable, simpler versions of existing biological systems would be fine. The fact that you can die from infection or damage to completely non-critical sections of the body (like the hands) is a serious design flaw. Couple that with a completely over-complex support system and a seemingly redundant mass of tissues, and you've got something that could be designed to be far simpler and more durable using artificial systems.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-17 10:32am

Lagmonster wrote:'Cyborg' doesn't necessarily mean the vision of an unstoppable Inspector Gadget or something.

Personally, I wouldn't mind replacing any and all of the biological systems in my body except my central nervous system. To me, and most people, your body is just a constantly damaged and deteriorating canister for transporting your personality, intelligence and ego. Any improvements on that are welcome, but I don't need a stinger rocket launcher in my arm, or enchanced combat vision in my eyes, or a nuclear X-ray blaster affixed to my groin.

I think just more durable, simpler versions of existing biological systems would be fine. The fact that you can die from infection or damage to completely non-critical sections of the body (like the hands) is a serious design flaw. Couple that with a completely over-complex support system and a seemingly redundant mass of tissues, and you've got something that could be designed to be far simpler and more durable using artificial systems.

Yup basically my take on the issue- as I said in my totally non-eloquent fashion

How long before the brain and central nervous tissue deteorate though?

Quite frankly, if they were to discover a way to transplant my 'self' into a machine (mechanical facsimilie of a human body, whatever) in my lifetime, I'd jump at the chance.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-17 10:33am

Hm cyborg as in the Bicentenial Man (I think that's what its called), when they develop artificial organs and stuff, wouldn't be so bad. As long as I don't have to go to the repair shop all the time...

Too bad we can't stop brain deterioration that way. I remember reading in When Gravity Fails (or the second book, don't remember) about an experimental procedure involving making some kind of superconducting or gold mesh around the brain, plus other changes, that would make it last a lot longer, like 200 years or so. (or at least a 50-100 year increase in lifespan)

FX · Post by FX » 2003-01-17 12:12pm

I would do it, but on one condition. I want my senses not to be dulled or digitized in any way. It would be cool not to worry about glasses or contacts, but if it means I can make out the pixels in my new form of vision I'll deal with the organics.

I find it funny everybody talks about adding things to the cybernetic parts, but never makes mention of basic sense standards. Who cares how many pounds you can lift with your new cool arms if you can't hold an egg without crushing it because you have no sense of touch in your hands. You may be able to see in the IR spectrum, and telescopically, but if your vision looks like an old TV you still have lost something.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-17 02:42pm

I wouldn't mind having what Warwick envisions as cyborgs. His dream is to add chips to the nervous system, allowing us to have an internal thought-activated computer and to essentially be telepathic with electronic systems. Full limb/organ replacement I would only consider for medical purposes, not for augmentation.

Oddity · Post by **Oddity** » 2003-01-17 02:44pm

Brain Enchantements!
- Added or extended senses (e.g., seeing ultraviolet light).
- Increased working memory capacity.
- Mental calculator and database.
- Human / machine interface.

OR, I could just upload my mind into a supercomputer and become an AI capable of modifying my own code...

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2003-01-17 02:47pm

A 5th Imperium style internal modification would be nice, but a cyborg ? No,no...

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-01-17 03:12pm

Id do it. better senses, online access, a few education/personality chips. . .

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-17 03:29pm

I'd use the technology to build a powered exoskeleton. Mosto f the functions you could get with cybernetics would be routed through that. I dislike the idea of opening up my mind to direct stimulation through implants, far to greta a risk of a code bug warping my mind.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-17 03:32pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:I'd use the technology to build a powered exoskeleton. Mosto f the functions you could get with cybernetics would be routed through that. I dislike the idea of opening up my mind to direct stimulation through implants, far to greta a risk of a code bug warping my mind.

Yeah, power armour for me too. Genetic engineering in the form of gene therapy is the max I'd go for myself, I prefer to stay totally organic and natural.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-17 04:05pm

Sure, if I can remain looking like the badass human I look like. And if there aren't any real problems with the technology.

Isil`Zha · Post by **Isil`Zha** » 2003-01-17 04:21pm

I'd only want some kind of eye implant that I could have different vision enhancements/targetting/finding/information on something... that'd be cool... and it done good know one would even know.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-01-17 04:41pm

Screw the exoskeleton and enhanced senses, I just want lasers and missiles. Nuclear, if at all possible.

Admiral Griffith · Post by **Admiral Griffith** » 2003-01-17 05:12pm

I'd get my hands replaced by bionic equivalents, much like the one that Luke Skywalker had, save for a few modifications...

1. Retractible claws on both hands, Wolverine style, except that there'd be 5 claws instead of 3, and they'd be steel instead of bone.
2. Computer as an improvement on my already impressive watch.

I'd get my eyes replaced, cuz my vision already sucks, and if I can see beyond 2 kilometres with out glasses, I'll be happy. Plus I'd have a self controlled function that allows me to see outside the normally visible spectrum at will, as well as active infrared sensors so I can see in the dark. And an Augmented Reality system, of course.

Perhaps have tiny repulsorlift devices installed in my feet, so I can jump really high and survive the landing with out injury.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-01-17 07:13pm

Well... If it's Honorverse style cybernetics, i.e. invisible if you want it to be...
Then some would be nice. the bionic eye and the arm would be nice...

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-17 10:18pm

I prefer being part cyborg, part genetically enhanced. The whole body would be genetically enhanced, but with cybernetic senses and a quantum-computer for a brain. Muscles will be cybernetically improved, but not replaced. And I'd prefer an unbreakable skeleton.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-01-17 10:38pm

I think cybernetic parts would be freaking awesome.

Especially if I could get a 'pump-action' upgrade...

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-01-17 10:43pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:I think cybernetic parts would be freaking awesome.

Especially if I could get a 'pump-action' upgrade...

I will not interpret. I think I'd take vision enhancements and maybe speed/strength... Nothing as radical as a limb completely cybernetic though.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-01-17 11:35pm

I would like to get:
Cybernetic eyes(bio eng or mech, as long as it comes with a proj disp[RD: Neuromancer])
Neuro-Computer interface(Neuromancer, Mother of Storms, etc. basically instant learning, instant communication, instant everything as long as I am jacked in)

And if at all possible an energy gun from Futurama.
POP goes the weasel!

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-01-17 11:39pm

Forgot to mention.
Cyborg means anyone with unnatural attachements that operate to make the user at or above standard for human in ability to do certain things. Mostly mechanical but that will be changing rapidly over the next century.
So if you have glasses you are already a cyborg so stop complaining.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-17 11:47pm

SyntaxVorlon wrote:Forgot to mention.
Cyborg means anyone with unnatural attachements that operate to make the user at or above standard for human in ability to do certain things. Mostly mechanical but that will be changing rapidly over the next century.
So if you have glasses you are already a cyborg so stop complaining.

See, I always interpreted cybernetics as being permanent. Glasses can be removed at will, and are passive correction of eyesight. Besides, I still don't operate at or above standard. While my visual range with glasses returns to human norm, my depth perception is still well below norm (and I had normal depth perception before I started losing my eyesight).

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