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Ukraine scandal - kids learn praising Hitler in elite school

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http://www.mignews.com.ua/articles/281990.html
Today shock awaited the parents of kids who study in one of the most elite schools of Ukraine, "Pechersk School International". The school, where children of Ukrainian political elite, including the son of President Yushenko, is located just in the center of Kiev.

A journalist investigation was shocked by a simple homework - ukrainian kids were told to find 68 reasons to defend Adolf Hitler. To better feel the "spirit", they were told to use Nazi greetings at school.

Another shock is the Nazi symbolic exposition devoted to Hitler. According to investigation, parents of children who object to such "customs" are threatened with expulsion.
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MIGnews.com.ua agency started it's own investigation. [the course of investigation lower in the article]
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13:53 investigation update - our correspondents managed to find out that kids who don't want to come into the class which is full of Hitler posters, are disciplined by teachers. A schoolkid by the name of Linna told: "In my age children died in Hitler's gas chambers but they were brave. I won't come into this class even if they put me out of school".

The correspondent of Mignews managed to speak to one of the teachers, who hastily retorted that the school was "misunderstood", that the teachers jjust wanted to show the schoolkids how a bad man becomes democratically elected. However, the teacher could not provide any reasons for the Hitler-whitewashing tasks given to schoolkids, and the Nazi greetings used after the lection.

15:11 investigation update - our correspondent managed to talk to one of the teachers. He explained: "The school's management considers this action very useful. During two weeks schoolkids are explained all the advantages of Hitler, the national-socialist system and fascism in general. But after that we explain how bad it is, and they receive a strong lifetime antidote against fascism!"

However a prominent ukrainian businessman Garik Kogorodsky, whose son is a student, said in an interview to our correspondent that this is a complete change of terminology: "I'm proud my son didn't want to go into a class full of fascist symbolic. I think it's very easy to sow doubt in a child, easy to tell him fascism is good, but reversing it back might not be quite sucessful. I'm outraged and I protest against what is going on in the school!"

The correspondent carried on the investigations. He reported that the shool was quickly locked up like a military facilty and no one was allowed inside. However, the managed to speak with several school children. Some of them thought Hitler was good, some say that they remember in the movies Hitler is bad.

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15:42 update - the correspondents found out that the school operates without a license from the Ministry of Education. [...]

[herein the press agency directly adressed the police and prosecutor office of Ukraine, giving the school's financial requisites, so that those organs run a check of it's activities]

17:53 update - during the investigation of the "Pechersk School International", the MIGnews correspondent contacted the Ukraine Commitee for Security (SBU). The vice-director of SBU Press Center called the actions of the school "idiotism" and reported that superiors at SBU are informed. He said that he would report about the measures taken by the organization later.
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As if choosing someone less odious for the "propaganda-counterpropaganda" method was impossible. :roll: Honestly, I think there's a good reason "Ewige Jude" is banned from German schools (IIRC).
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That place should be burned to the ground and the ashes thrown in a river, with all faculty barred from teaching ever again. I would not for an instant believe any possible excuse they could have for this kind of insanity.
Stas Bush wrote: As if choosing someone less odious for the "propaganda-counterpropaganda" method was impossible. :roll: Honestly, I think there's a good reason "Ewige Jude" is banned from German schools (IIRC).
It’s banned from all of Germany. The only exceptions allowed are for college level classes, and only then if the airing of the film is being put into an acceptable context. A bunch of other Nazi propaganda films are under similar restrictions.
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Sixty-eight pro-Hitler arguments!? Those teachers are Nazis in more ways than one. o.O
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'I must defend Hitler or the Headmaster will expel me from the school.'
'I must defend Hitler or the Headmaster will expel me from the school.'
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Yeah, that's all I've got.
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Darth Raptor wrote:Sixty-eight pro-Hitler arguments!? Those teachers are Nazis in more ways than one. o.O
I'd have trouble finding half that many arguments to defend Gandhi, Jesus and Roosevelt together.
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Russophobia has to be that fantastic for this to happen. Plus, I find it hard to believe these fucktard parents had no clue as to what is going on.
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Or sliced bread, Melissa Theuriau and Shakespeare combined.

Anyone know the age of these poor kids?
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So maybe there is something to the Neo Nazi conspiracy, after all.

I wonder what this going to do to the Ukrainian political scene.
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Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:I'd have trouble finding half that many arguments to defend Gandhi, Jesus and Roosevelt together.
88, 68, 77 are common neo-Nazi codeword numbers. 88 is "Heil Hitler", 68 is "Fuehrer - Hitler".
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Russophobia has to be that fantastic for this to happen. Plus, I find it hard to believe these fucktard parents had no clue as to what is going on.
Some of them may not have. It's an elite private school which isn't certified by the government, the school kids take extern exams at usual schools after finishing it. No wonder they may be told any shit there. Though given Yuschenko's son is there, I really wonder - Yushenko has recently been scolded at the Holocaust "Yad Vashem" memorial over denying the Ukrainian collaborators' participation in Hitler's grand cleansing and granting the ghetto-murdering punitive unit commander Shukhevych the title of "Hero of Ukraine" posthumously. The scolding was done by none other than Josef Lapid.
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granting the ghetto-murdering punitive unit commander Shukhevych the title of "Hero of Ukraine" posthumously
Wait what?
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Stas Bush wrote:Some of them may not have. It's an elite private school which isn't certified by the government, the school kids take extern exams at usual schools after finishing it. No wonder they may be told any shit there. Though given Yuschenko's son is there, I really wonder - Yushenko has recently been scolded at the Holocaust "Yad Vashem" memorial over denying the Ukrainian collaborators' participation in Hitler's grand cleansing and granting the ghetto-murdering punitive unit commander Shukhevych the title of "Hero of Ukraine" posthumously. The scolding was done by none other than Josef Lapid.
That fucktard scum would go that far to glorify Ukraine Nationalism? Sheesh! It's a wonder the Eastern regions haven't gone renegade, YET.
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You heard that right, Shep. Shukhevich, who has been the commander of "Nachtigal" (early 1941 - Lvov massacre of Polish, Jewish, and even Ukrainians, including the massacre of university professors, as well as all people sympathetic to the Soviet administration).

For punitive actions in Ukraine and Belorussia, where the nationalist units ("Nachtigal" and "Roland") have exterminated several ghettoes, cities and many villages, Shukhevich has been personally awarded by HITLER with an IRON CROSS.

So I really suspect Yushenko knew of the Hitler glorification (who knows what else they glorified there, maybe Shukhevich) and sent his son into this "elite" school.
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Stas Bush wrote:88, 68, 77 are common neo-Nazi codeword numbers. 88 is "Heil Hitler", 68 is "Fuehrer - Hitler".
Have they heard of Combat 18? Eighteen still would have been impossible, but slightly less so, for the kids.
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And I thought Chinese kids had it rough, with them being forced to read propaganda praising Mao Zedong and Chiang Kai-Shek-- basically, suck these dictators' dead cocks-- in class. I pity the Ukrainian kids who had to attend such a fucked up school.

By the way, considering the recent rise of neo-Nazism and anti-Semitism in Russia, has a similar scandal occured there?
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Chiang Kai-Shek? The guy who thought fighting Chinese communists more important than the Japanese?
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DavidEC wrote:Chiang Kai-Shek? The guy who thought fighting Chinese communists more important than the Japanese?
Well, one must put it into perspective with regards to Taiwan.
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I can imagine how he'd be a historical hate-figure - he tried to kill Chinese communism in its infancy, with American help no less! - but Sidewinder says he's praised alongside Mao, or at least his wording suggests that.
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Sidewinder could be talking about ethnic Chinese as in Han Chinese rather than people who are citizens of China. Then it makes sense, because people in Taiwan could be praising.

As for the Hitler stuff, real teachers don't experiment strange and dangerous teaching techniques on students. Even if they were trying to pull a bait and switch and at the last moment say gotcha you all went for Hitler, it isn't much of a defense given the kids know they're worshipping Hitler. They're 100% training Hitler Youth and it's sickening.

Just how powerful is the neo-Nazi movement across Europe and the Baltic states? Is it powerful enough for Sum of All fears, do FSB and MI6 go around assassinating or short circuiting millionaire or billionaire former closet Nazis? I would imagine it would be pretty damn easy for someone somewhere to set up a Nazi school without the pretense, like a Madrasah, if there was enough popular support.
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I'm not sure if kids in the ROC have to praise gangster Chiang in their classes. They can always say that Sun Yat-Sen was responsible of everything good for Taiwan, even the progressive land reforms that Chiang implemented at the urging of American advisors.
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DavidEC wrote:I can imagine how he'd be a historical hate-figure - he tried to kill Chinese communism in its infancy, with American help no less! - but Sidewinder says he's praised alongside Mao, or at least his wording suggests that.
Sorry about the confusion. When I say, "China," I'm usually referring to both the People's Republic of China and the Republic of China, Taiwan. (I'm pro-unification, by the way.) The Chinese in Taiwan praise Chiang Kai-Shek-- at least until 1998, when my sister was attending school there-- while the Chinese in the People's Republic of China praise Mao Zedong.
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Sidewinder wrote:
DavidEC wrote:I can imagine how he'd be a historical hate-figure - he tried to kill Chinese communism in its infancy, with American help no less! - but Sidewinder says he's praised alongside Mao, or at least his wording suggests that.
Sorry about the confusion. When I say, "China," I'm usually referring to both the People's Republic of China and the Republic of China, Taiwan. (I'm pro-unification, by the way.) The Chinese in Taiwan praise Chiang Kai-Shek-- at least until 1998, when my sister was attending school there-- while the Chinese in the People's Republic of China praise Mao Zedong.
The only reason why they stopped praising, is that Chen Shui Bian and Lee Teng Hui is doing what Yuschenko is doing right now in Ukraine. It's amusing how the aggressors are praised, but then again, judging from the fact that the Japanese were regarded as liberators by the Malays (not by the Chinese given they were the target of ethnic cleansing).
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Burn the school down and salt the fucking ground.

A discussion by mature adults on the Nazi regime from an accedemic perspective is one thing, but fucking brainwashing kids to find 'good things' about Hitler? Telling them to use the Nazi salute freely and openly?

And then when parents object, their kids are threatened with being expelled?

What in the FUCK?
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Chris OFarrell wrote:Burn the school down and salt the fucking ground.

A discussion by mature adults on the Nazi regime from an accedemic perspective is one thing, but fucking brainwashing kids to find 'good things' about Hitler? Telling them to use the Nazi salute freely and openly?

And then when parents object, their kids are threatened with being expelled?

What in the FUCK?
Precisely, education is supposed to teach critical thinking, not political agendas, but this Nazi BS is something that really needs to be smashed underfoot before more crap occurs from it.
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Where's the media coverage? It would be nice if the media outlets stopped harping on about Putin this and Putin that. Vladimir should have only so many slots on the hourly news, for fairness's sake if nothing else.
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Pelranius wrote:Where's the media coverage? It would be nice if the media outlets stopped harping on about Putin this and Putin that. Vladimir should have only so many slots on the hourly news, for fairness's sake if nothing else.
That's because Western media don't want to look as if they just praised a Nazi fanatic not too long ago.

Such is the hypocrisy and shameless pursuit of agendas.
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