Well? How is it?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-17 07:24pm

2000AD wrote:
The only energy absorption we've seen in Star Wars is when Yoda absorbed Dooku's "Force lightning" in Attack of the Clones. However, suggesting that they can absorb any energy because they can absorb Force energy is absurd . . .
Wrong again Mr Anderson. In ESB Darth vader absorbs Han's blaster bolts at Lando's double cross at the dinner table.

He claims that those shots were merely deflected and not absorbed. Apparently he wasn't paying attention during AotC, when Obi-Wan and Anakin flew between the power couplings that Zam Wessel had fired on.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-01-17 07:50pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
2000AD wrote:
The only energy absorption we've seen in Star Wars is when Yoda absorbed Dooku's "Force lightning" in Attack of the Clones. However, suggesting that they can absorb any energy because they can absorb Force energy is absurd . . .
Wrong again Mr Anderson. In ESB Darth vader absorbs Han's blaster bolts at Lando's double cross at the dinner table.
He claims that those shots were merely deflected and not absorbed. Apparently he wasn't paying attention during AotC, when Obi-Wan and Anakin flew between the power couplings that Zam Wessel had fired on.

Oh but he was....Static, remember?

Your work is done MoO, the debate is up and available for all to see.......

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-01-18 12:58pm

Deflected? They dissapear as they hit his hand! IIRC you can see a little puff of smoke.

LMSx · Post by **LMSx** » 2003-01-20 08:03pm

After examining frames 2 and 3 of DarkStar's Death Star rebuttal to critics on his site (link at the bottom of the Death Star page), I noticed something I haven't seen anyone mention and isn't on MoO's page.

RSA says the existence of clouds on frame 3 is proof that Alderaan didn't have a planetary shield, which sounds nice, until you look at frame 2 again, which shows that those 'clouds' are in fact extremely dark sections of the planet.

If the DET Ray of Doom hit the planetary shield and spidered out, overloading sections of it faster then others, it would explain the mysterious untouched areas.

The Teacher · Post by **The Teacher** » 2003-01-23 04:06pm

Time to start defending *polishes up armor and shield*

Firstly, in most cases of Star Wars sensory whatever, you normally don't hear the line "Ohh, lookit. There are a bunch of Ewoks on deck E of that cruiser!" Whereas in star trek, you hear "Captain, there are 6 Klinongs here, here, here, and a dozen humans, here,here,here,here..." You see? Now, I don't have any proof *alarms go off* but this. In Ep 5, the Falcon flew right into a worm without noticing it was alive. Dur!
And this last thing about the Trekkie Tech, the sensors(god knows how they work) are so accute that even though the positronic stuff was seeded for them to find, they could still find it. And withing a few km at that! SW tech say: Ohh, look, there is an energy reading from this planet, God knows what it is. Maybe a toaster?

Well, that said, I'm leaving this thread!

Rhoades · Post by **Rhoades** » 2003-01-23 04:29pm

The Teacher wrote:Time to start defending *polishes up armor and shield*

Firstly, in most cases of Star Wars sensory whatever, you normally don't hear the line "Ohh, lookit. There are a bunch of Ewoks on deck E of that cruiser!" Whereas in star trek, you hear "Captain, there are 6 Klinongs here, here, here, and a dozen humans, here,here,here,here..." You see? Now, I don't have any proof *alarms go off* but this. In Ep 5, the Falcon flew right into a worm without noticing it was alive. Dur!
And this last thing about the Trekkie Tech, the sensors(god knows how they work) are so accute that even though the positronic stuff was seeded for them to find, they could still find it. And withing a few km at that! SW tech say: Ohh, look, there is an energy reading from this planet, God knows what it is. Maybe a toaster?

Well, that said, I'm leaving this thread!

You're possible right the Falcon flew into a worm without noticing it was alive. Best guess why is a smuggler's space ship might not have had all their sensors turned on during the asteriod scene. Sensory equipment does give off EM signals which other ships, say a fleet of ISDs, could track.

I know at least several example of decent accuracy of SW sensors. Consider how quick Obi-Wan figured out that Anakin wasn't on Naboo but on Tatoonie (AotC). And don't forget the Trade Federation were able to track the Jedi escaping through the vents on their ship before they boarded the landing crafts (TPM). That's all I can think of right now.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2003-01-23 04:50pm

The Teacher wrote: Firstly, in most cases of Star Wars sensory whatever, you normally don't hear the line "Ohh, lookit. There are a bunch of Ewoks on deck E of that cruiser!" Whereas in star trek, you hear "Captain, there are 6 Klinongs here, here, here, and a dozen humans, here,here,here,here..." You see? Now, I don't have any proof *alarms go off* but this. In Ep 5, the Falcon flew right into a worm without noticing it was alive. Dur!

Just like anyone else's (including the Federation's), Imperial sensor will only detect something if they are looking for it and they are looking in the right place. Did anyone have any reason to suspect that the large cave in that asteroid was actually a living creature's nest until it started moving?

When they're actually looking for something, Imperial sensors routinely perform as well as Federation sensors.

The Teacher wrote: And this last thing about the Trekkie Tech, the sensors(god knows how they work) are so accute that even though the positronic stuff was seeded for them to find, they could still find it. And withing a few km at that! SW tech say: Ohh, look, there is an energy reading from this planet, God knows what it is. Maybe a toaster?

Given the extraordinarily vague nature of your examples, it's impossible to look them up to confirm or deny them. Was that intentional?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-23 04:50pm

The Teacher wrote:Time to start defending *polishes up armor and shield*

Firstly, in most cases of Star Wars sensory whatever, you normally don't hear the line "Ohh, lookit. There are a bunch of Ewoks on deck E of that cruiser!" Whereas in star trek, you hear "Captain, there are 6 Klinongs here, here, here, and a dozen humans, here,here,here,here..." You see? Now, I don't have any proof *alarms go off* but this. In Ep 5, the Falcon flew right into a worm without noticing it was alive. Dur!
And this last thing about the Trekkie Tech, the sensors(god knows how they work) are so accute that even though the positronic stuff was seeded for them to find, they could still find it. And withing a few km at that! SW tech say: Ohh, look, there is an energy reading from this planet, God knows what it is. Maybe a toaster?

Well, that said, I'm leaving this thread!

I am so sickened that you are stealing my avatar for this stupidity.

*vomits*

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-24 01:43pm

The Teacher wrote:Firstly, in most cases of Star Wars sensory whatever, you normally don't hear the line "Ohh, lookit. There are a bunch of Ewoks on deck E of that cruiser!"

Since there were never any incidents in SW where this scanning ability would have been useful, the point is null and void.

Whereas in star trek, you hear "Captain, there are 6 Klinongs here, here, here, and a dozen humans, here,here,here,here..."[/quote]
Name the episode and describe the situation where it happened in light of the fact that the E-D was totally unable to track Roga Danar through the ship in "The Hunted"

In Ep 5, the Falcon flew right into a worm without noticing it was alive.

Han and friends were a bit more concerned about the Imperials at the time.

And this last thing about the Trekkie Tech, the sensors(god knows how they work) are so accute that even though the positronic stuff was seeded for them to find, they could still find it. And withing a few km at that!

I see you've ignored the rebuttals regarding the fact that its not hard to detect something thats putting out an active signal, especially one thats delibrately meant for you. Shizon wanted to get Picards attention. He was going to make damned sure Picard got the message. All this proves is that Fed sensors have the same signal detection ability as my TV.

SW tech say: Ohh, look, there is an energy reading from this planet, God knows what it is. Maybe a toaster?

Provide one instance when Imperial sensors didn't know what they were looking at. In TESB, the imperial fleet knew exactly what they were detecting on Hoth--an energy shield and exactly how strong it was.

Well, that said, I'm leaving this thread!

Chicken. Can't stand being refuted?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-24 04:21pm

The Teacher wrote:Well, that said, I'm leaving this thread!

I'd respond in depth, but this really makes it pointless.

So just 2 things:
1) why would an old, privately owned, smuggler ship have top of the line sensors like a capital ship would mount?
2) Why is it that simple things fuck up feddie sensors constantly then?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-25 01:34am

Ender wrote:1) why would an old, privately owned, smuggler ship have top of the line sensors like a capital ship would mount?

You forgot to mention "second hand".

The Teacher · Post by **The Teacher** » 2003-02-02 09:59pm

I AM NOT CHICKEN!!!!!!!!!!![/i][/b]
I was simply on vacation...

*ahem puts armor on again*
I'll just have to finish this tomorrow when my armor is shiney

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-02 10:02pm

The Teacher wrote:I AM NOT CHICKEN!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you trying to say you're not as smart as a chicken?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-02 10:55pm

The Teacher wrote:I AM NOT CHICKEN!!!!!!!!!!![/i][/b]
I was simply on vacation...

*ahem puts armor on again*
I'll just have to finish this tomorrow when my armor is shiney

All you do is spout bullshit, then run around like a chicken with its head chopped off. That's pretty chicken-like.