Ukraine scandal - kids learn praising Hitler in elite school

[K. A. Pital]

By the way, considering the recent rise of neo-Nazism and anti-Semitism in Russia, has a similar scandal occured there?

I have no way of telling what the bloody fuck goes on in private "schools" in Russia. Seriously. Private schools are few and only the elite use them, but there's little control over what they teach - you can do it being unaccredited, thanks to the simplicity of taking an extern-exam in ordinary schools.

[Sarevok]

How prevalent is neo nazi sentiment in Russia would you say ? Is it something you only see in the news after they do something outrageous or common enough you run into people with this kind of mindset regularly in your daily life ?

[K. A. Pital]

How prevalent is neo nazi sentiment in Russia would you say?

Open neo-nazis - not very prevalent, fringe. Neo-fascists, Great Russia chauvinists, racists - prominent, even though so far the more odious among them can't get parliamentary representation (Great Russia party, which broke down).

Is it something you only see in the news after they do something outrageous or common enough you run into people with this kind of mindset regularly in your daily life ?

You don't run into middle-age people with such mindset, but many youth who had grown in the 90's exist. Sadly. Neo-nazis in Russia thrive on youth.

Soon the generation which has fought Nazis will pass away, and I fear covert Neo-Nazis, somewhat like the American Ku Klux Klan, could rise.

As you know, post 1991 Russia experiences serious ethnic strife, since the former Soviet republics of Central Asia, Georgia, etc. have bankrupted their industries, creating enormous poverty, while Russia due to it's size managed to conserve at least some, and became more economicaly well-off than it's neighbors who were fucked in the head and then some. This led to "gastarbeiters" - poor illegal immigrants - flowing into Russia en masse.

[K. A. Pital]

Well, whadday think? ANOTHER Neo-Nazi scandal, this time from Russia:

ROSTOV-ON-DON, 28 Nov. - RIAN. During the searches in the cabinet of the mayor of Stavropole Dmitry Kuzmin, who is suspected of power abuse, the militsia found hanging the flag and honorable awards of Nazi Germany, reported the vice-chief of the General MVD Office in the Southern Federal district Sergey Solodovnikov.

On 26 November 2007 the Investigatory Commitee of the Prosecution of Russia in Stavropol region initiated legal proceedings against Kuzmin on evidence of power abuse (part 3 of article 286 of Russian Criminal Code). According to the evidence of the Prosecution, the mayor has been involved in illegal machinations with housing property.

Kuzmin was a member of the Kremlin administration-founded left-wing "Just Russia" party.

[Sidewinder]

Considering what the Nazis did and were planning to do to Russia-- thanks for the info you provided in this thread, it certainly cured me of any delusions I had regarding that regime-- I'm surprised this Kuzmin guy rose to the position of mayor. Was he actively courting the votes of angry young fools who think, "Nazi Russia Rocks!" while ignoring the old folks? (It's a common perception that young people are too apathetic to vote in the US, although I don't know how accurate that perception is.)

[K. A. Pital]

I'm surprised this Kuzmin guy rose to the position of mayor

I guess he just never let people into his public office to see his wonderful set of Nazi regalia hanging on the wall...

[K. A. Pital]

Just as I thought the Nazi-loving mayor history is finished... it's not!

Мэр Ставрополя объявлен в международный розыск
Мэр Ставрополя объявлен в международный розыск
Stavropol Mayor put on list for international investigation.

The October Regional Court of Stavropol has given orders to announce Dmitry Kuzmin into international investigation, reports "Vesti" TV from words of the first vice-director of the Main Directorate of the MVD in Southern federal district Sergey Solodovnikov.

Currently D. Kuzmin's whereabouts are unknown. According to the data the police has at hand, he may be hiding in foreign territories.

An ironic end to the story, but it will be even more ironic if he's extradicted back into Russia

[RIPP_n_WIPE]

You heard that right, Shep. Shukhevich, who has been the commander of "Nachtigal" (early 1941 - Lvov massacre of Polish, Jewish, and even Ukrainians, including the massacre of university professors, as well as all people sympathetic to the Soviet administration).

For punitive actions in Ukraine and Belorussia, where the nationalist units ("Nachtigal" and "Roland") have exterminated several ghettoes, cities and many villages, Shukhevich has been personally awarded by HITLER with an IRON CROSS.

So I really suspect Yushenko knew of the Hitler glorification (who knows what else they glorified there, maybe Shukhevich) and sent his son into this "elite" school.

Fuck and I actually rooted for this guy when he was poisoned, intimidated, and still managed to win his election.

Why can't any guy fight oppression and NOT be a loon?

[K. A. Pital]

Russia's reply followed quick enough. And some interesting stuff surfaced...

It's time to battle the ultranationalist excesses, says Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia in a written note about the nationalist actions in Ukraine. The note stresses Russia is deeply concerned about openly nationalist, anti-Russian and Russophobic sentiments and excesses in Ukraine.

The document outlines the problem of using periods of hardship in historical relations between the nations to gain doubtful political credit.

"We have noted that radical nationalist forces not only feel free and untamed to act in Ukraine, but also intensify their provocative actions" - stressed the MID.

The Ministry quotes openly anti-Russian and anti-Semitic public statements in presence and with silent approval of Ukraine's officials by the leaders of Ukrainian nationalist organizations and the non-stopping vandalism of Soviet memorials.

"The UPA, Ukraine's paramilitary nationalist forces, are openly rehabilitated, despite them being involved in punitive actions of the Nazis. They have executed hundreds of thousands of citizens - Russians, Jews, Ukrainians, other nationalities [including the infamous massacres of Ukrainian Poles - S.B.]

The Ukrainian police did not find and apparently dropped investigations on the assaults and arsons of the Russian cultural exchange Center In Lviv, the desceration of Alexander Pushkin's memorials. The ultranationalist lobby managed to rename the Lermontov Street into Dudaev Street and the Pushkin Street into Chuprinka Street which is the alias of the infamous paramilitary general Shukheev, a Nazi collaborationist" - stressed the MID.

[...]

It looks like it's not just pro-Ukrainian forces, but ardent Ukrainian nationalists who are at work here. I mean, renaming the poets' streets? Why didn't Ukrainians rename the streets with, I don't know, names of Stalin-era Soviet officials? And "Dudaev" and "Shukhevich" is really staggering. Choosing anti-Russian people who were also bandits, participators in punitive actions, ethnic cleansing and even genocide of own population in case of Shukhevich? Arsony of cultural exchange centers? Burning and assaulting libraries and museums?

Frankly, it was shocking even to me, I didn't know the nationalist sentiment went that far.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

You heard that right, Shep. Shukhevich, who has been the commander of "Nachtigal" (early 1941 - Lvov massacre of Polish, Jewish, and even Ukrainians, including the massacre of university professors, as well as all people sympathetic to the Soviet administration).

For punitive actions in Ukraine and Belorussia, where the nationalist units ("Nachtigal" and "Roland") have exterminated several ghettoes, cities and many villages, Shukhevich has been personally awarded by HITLER with an IRON CROSS.

So I really suspect Yushenko knew of the Hitler glorification (who knows what else they glorified there, maybe Shukhevich) and sent his son into this "elite" school.

Fuck and I actually rooted for this guy when he was poisoned, intimidated, and still managed to win his election.

Why can't any guy fight oppression and NOT be a loon?

Pfft. This incident merely proved he was a loon from the start, and so were his Nationalist colleagues, who have consistently shown to be Russophobic. IF by anything, what is really at work here, is the fact that West is still filled to the brim with Russophobic loons who are probably still relishing the Cold War.

Stas, how is like in the Eastern cities of Ukraine? Are they still leaning more towards Russia?

[K. A. Pital]

Stas, how is like in the Eastern cities of Ukraine? Are they still leaning more towards Russia?

Yes, because Eastern industrialist owners are connected to Russian partners, and there's a huge amount of both Russians and Russian-speakers.

Crimea is almost entirely Russian, and they had mass protest rallies against NATO maneuvers in Ukraine and the prohibition of Russian language in legal documents.

Not much really reformed in Ukraine proper economically, either east or west, the new Government has shown itself incapable of dealing with rampant corruption, inflation, particulary of foodstoffs (being faced with popular discontent the government enacted a grain ban finally).

"Reprivatization" of already-privatized industrial factories has spawned distrust from the East (Ukraine's largest steel factory has been "reprivatized" by Timoshenko and sold to MITTAL Steel). This action caused much antagonism and eventually the "orange coalition" fell apart accusing each other of corruption and initiating a bloody feud over who gets to "reprivatize" Ukrainian factories.

[Sidewinder]

IF by anything, what is really at work here, is the fact that West is still filled to the brim with Russophobic loons who are probably still relishing the Cold War.

I've read enough such bullshit in technothrillers written in the 90s regarding China invading Japan, China invading Siberia, and-- believe it or not-- Japan invading Siberia. The writers of these technothrillers seem to express racism against Asians in their works. I wonder if the Russophobes are also racists, i.e., they share the Nazis' view of Slavs as Untermenschen.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

IF by anything, what is really at work here, is the fact that West is still filled to the brim with Russophobic loons who are probably still relishing the Cold War.

I've read enough such bullshit in technothrillers written in the 90s regarding China invading Japan, China invading Siberia, and-- believe it or not-- Japan invading Siberia. The writers of these technothrillers seem to express racism against Asians in their works. I wonder if the Russophobes are also racists, i.e., they share the Nazis' view of Slavs as Untermenschen.

Quite frankly, this isn't new. There is a tendency to appeal to populism through works to glorify the West as a bastion of civilization. It has been going on for centuries.

And as for Russophobia, the idiots seem to be practicing blatant hypocrisy when they support that idiot Ukrainian President, who incidentally is oppressing the Russian speaking people. Who's oppressing whom now?

[Warsie]

Erm...there's Russophobia in Ukraine? Isn't Ukraine very friendly; or close to Russia (as in shared culture; etc. yes I'm aware of the orange revolution) to the point of being called 'Little Russia'?

Also, IIRC Neo-Nazism does not use all the parts of Nazi Ideology (see the Slavs added into the Neo-Nazi movement, the Nashi and such.). Also aren't the street gangs of white nationalists getting to be a real problem (jumping and attacking random foreigners, beheadings, etc; they made videos and hosted them on liveleak, youtube, etc)

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Erm...there's Russophobia in Ukraine? Isn't Ukraine very friendly; or close to Russia (as in shared culture; etc. yes I'm aware of the orange revolution) to the point of being called 'Little Russia'?

Also, IIRC Neo-Nazism does not use all the parts of Nazi Ideology (see the Slavs added into the Neo-Nazi movement, the Nashi and such.). Also aren't the street gangs of white nationalists getting to be a real problem (jumping and attacking random foreigners, beheadings, etc; they made videos and hosted them on liveleak, youtube, etc)

"Little Russia" means that the Ukraine is one of the three primary divisions of the Russian peoples, Great Russia, Little Russia, and White Russia (Byelorussia).