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Darth Wong wrote:
Molyneux wrote:To paraphrase somebody or other:
They can't whack all of us.
If some guy or his family does get whacked, is that supposed to make him feel better?
Is that supposed to be an argument for me to not do that?
I'm not going to refrain from making fun of idiocy out of fear that someone will attempt to murder me, any more than I would refrain from wearing a Star of David in public for fear of being murdered for being Jewish (well, if I were still practicing, anyhow).
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Is that supposed to be an argument for me to not do that?
I'm not going to refrain from making fun of idiocy out of fear that someone will attempt to murder me, any more than I would refrain from wearing a Star of David in public for fear of being murdered for being Jewish (well, if I were still practicing, anyhow).
Yeah, but the difference here is one of degree. IF you were in a country where jews were being persecuted and murdered then it would be fairly applicable to you speaking boldly out against a religion that some people very well might track you down and kill you if they are in your neck of the woods.

It's somewhat safer for celebrities and political people to do so because they tend to be protected by bodyguards as it is and the average person knows it would be very hard to whack them, but an average joe? These days it can be simple as hell to track someone.

Like I said, since we have to unfortunately admit that millions of people that follow this religion are NOT the "turn the other cheek" kind, but will happily decree their wish to see you executed, it is a very REAL danger if you are not careful. I would never want to put myself in such a position. My life and my loved ones who would be devastated by such a turn of events is far too important to take risks like that. Muslims are everywhere, and you just don't KNOW which ones would take it that seriously.

Now I'm not saying you can't speak OUT against Islam in an opinionated fashion, but deliberately mocking them by doing something they consider truly profane is crossing over that danger line.
Please think about it seriously. It's very hard to take back words already spoken...
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Justforfun000 wrote:
Is that supposed to be an argument for me to not do that?
I'm not going to refrain from making fun of idiocy out of fear that someone will attempt to murder me, any more than I would refrain from wearing a Star of David in public for fear of being murdered for being Jewish (well, if I were still practicing, anyhow).
Yeah, but the difference here is one of degree. IF you were in a country where jews were being persecuted and murdered then it would be fairly applicable to you speaking boldly out against a religion that some people very well might track you down and kill you if they are in your neck of the woods.

It's somewhat safer for celebrities and political people to do so because they tend to be protected by bodyguards as it is and the average person knows it would be very hard to whack them, but an average joe? These days it can be simple as hell to track someone.

Like I said, since we have to unfortunately admit that millions of people that follow this religion are NOT the "turn the other cheek" kind, but will happily decree their wish to see you executed, it is a very REAL danger if you are not careful. I would never want to put myself in such a position. My life and my loved ones who would be devastated by such a turn of events is far too important to take risks like that. Muslims are everywhere, and you just don't KNOW which ones would take it that seriously.

Now I'm not saying you can't speak OUT against Islam in an opinionated fashion, but deliberately mocking them by doing something they consider truly profane is crossing over that danger line.
Please think about it seriously. It's very hard to take back words already spoken...
I'm in the United States, not Europe or the Middle East.
Mocking people is one of hour time-honored traditions, and I'll be damned if I let a bunch of medieval-minded assholes change that.
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I would do it if I had no family or were estranged from them, and had reasonable means of protection for myself. Since I don't, I'll stick to intellectual refutation in public and keep the insults to the private or less publicly noticeable arena. Call me a coward but the costs outweigh the benefits. Give me bodyguards or means of self-defence and I might make a good shot at it.

If you have children, however, it would be downright irresponsible to bait them.
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DavidEC wrote:I would do it if I had no family or were estranged from them, and had reasonable means of protection for myself. Since I don't, I'll stick to intellectual refutation in public and keep the insults to the private or less publicly noticeable arena. Call me a coward but the costs outweigh the benefits. Give me bodyguards or means of self-defence and I might make a good shot at it.

If you have children, however, it would be downright irresponsible to bait them.
Not having children of my own, I don't know how I would feel in that case.
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Neither do I, but I would have the best security in the world for my children as well as financial backup in case I do snuff it, before considering a major insult. This obviously doesn't cover most anonymous Internet discussions.
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Is there any evidence to support by saying "fuck islam; fuck that religon of hate" the average westerner risks a visit from the Men in Black (turbans) any more than a lightning strike ?
I have to tell you something everything I wrote above is a lie.
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Ask these guys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_G ... _director)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie

In all seriousness, the risk must usually be minimal but the potential cost is huge. I say 'usually' because it can change. You can post a vehemently anti-Islam video on YouTube and get 500 views; or by some good (mis)fortune it can snowball into one of these mini Internet phenomenons with multiple millions of views, increasing the likelihood that a nutter views it. On the other hand, you can get only 500 views and still need only one nutter to, per Wong's original specification, track you down and intimidate or outright murder you or your family.

Otherwise normal people can take things personally, even on the Internet. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... gtpsycho27
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"I didn't think anybody was stupid enough to try to kill anybody over an Internet fight," said John G. Anderson, 59, who suffered smoke inhalation while trying to put out the 2005 blaze that caused $50,000 in damage to his trailer and computer equipment.
He should have stopped at the first three words. :lol:

Actually in all seriousness, this demonstrates how unpredictable people are. Now calling someone a nerd is usually pretty soft-core of an insult, and the chances of this kind of reprisal are slim, but look what happened.

Now imagine the amount of Muslims in the world that wouldn't bat an eyelash if you were stoned to death in front of them if you insulted Mohammed.

I'd say there is more then enough evidence to suggest that chances of stirring up muslim fanatacism threatening your personal safety are a whole hell of a lot easier then most insults...
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Otherwise normal people can take things personally, even on the Internet. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... gtpsycho27
hmmmm....After re-reading that, I think you might want to reconsider the use of the word 'normal'. :wink:
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