There should be a special edition of this article so he can mention Karen Traviss and the live action Clone Wars show.The Complex and Terrifying Reality of Star Wars Fandom
written by: Andrey Summers
My girlfriend doesn’t understand what I see in Star Wars. We’ve had several soul-crushing arguments about what exactly makes this series so important to me, and every time I have found it more and more difficult to argue my case. As the maddening years have wound on, I think I finally understand the reason for this crippling handicap.
There is a diabolical twist to Star Wars fandom, you see, that defies comprehension, and yet is the life-blood of all Star Wars fans. It is this:
Star Wars fans hate Star Wars.
If you run into somebody who tells you they thought the franchise was quite enjoyable, and they very-much liked the originals as well as the prequels, and even own everything on DVD, and a few of the books, these imposters are not Star Wars Fans.
Star Wars fans hate Star Wars.
The primary fulcrum for the Star Wars fan’s hate (including my own) is George Lucas, creator of Star Wars. Unlike Trekkies/Trekkers who adore Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry, Star Wars fans hate the father of their obsession. We hate the fact that George Lucas got it wrong from the beginning, creating incest between Luke and Leia. We hate the fact that he wrenched Return of the Jedi off of Kashyyyk and set it on Endor with those tiny, furry Hobbit bitches he called “Ewoks”, which is a syllabic anagram of Wookiee if you’re obsessed enough. We despise the entire existence of literally half of the Star Wars movies, blaming George Lucas’ greed and flawed ‘vision’ for everything.
We believe George Lucas’ ideal death time was 2:07am, 14 November, 1990.
Star Wars fans also hate the original Star Wars trilogy. We think Mark Hamill’s acting was whiny, the pacing was flawed, and Empire was better than Jedi, making the end of the series a let-down. We hate the way Boba Fett died, and we hate the cantankerous, arthritic duel between Vader and Obi-wan. We don’t understand why the storm-troopers can’t shoot worth a damn, and we don’t get why “an entire legion of [the Emperor’s] best troops”(ROTJ, Palpatine) can be overpowered by a tribal society of midget teddy-bears armed largely with rocks and twigs. Star Wars fans hate omnipotent war-machines that get their legs tangled in strings, or slip on logs. They hate Darth Vader’s face and that stupid harmonica thing he was playing. Star Wars fans hate the original Star Wars trilogy.
There is also, as you probably know, a series of Special Editions that have replaced the original Star Wars trilogy, and these are also hated by Star Wars fans with an even more scorching fervor. Star Wars fans hate the glaring CG changes made to scenes we already hated to begin with. We hate that Han Solo now killed Greedo in self-defense, and then stepped on Jabba the Hutt’s tail (which we liken to Carrot Top stepping on Fidel Castro’s tail). We hate the fact that the ghost of Alec Guinness (whose name is an anagram of Genuine Class, by the way) now stands next to Hayden Christensen (whose name I tried to re-arrange into a flattering anagram myself, but only came up with “Nn…Dense Chest Hair”). Star Wars fans are unsure if Fidel Castro has a tail or not, but we hate the Special Editions of the trilogy just the same.
There is of course also a prequel trilogy to Star Wars. It is newer, more epic, more expensive, and more visually stunning than the original trilogy. Star Wars fans know this, and so we hate it even more. We hate it with the burning passion of a setting pair of twin suns. Jar Jar Binks, Midichlorians, technology that is blatantly more sophisticated than the “later” original trilogy…we despise all of it. There’s nothing a Star Wars fan hates more than a Star Wars prequel. They demystified Boba Fett, contradicted countless lines in the original trilogy (Obi-Wan: “He was our only hope.” Yoda: “No…there is another.” Obi-Wan (not in script): “Oh, right, I f*cking held both of these kids as they were born in Episode 3. Sorry Yoda, I just plumb forgot!”)
Star Wars fans think Mark Ha…uh…Hayden Christensen’s acting was whiny. And the pacing was flawed.
Beyond the movies, there are also various television-related Star Wars endeavors which Star Wars fans despise. Starting with that abysmal “Holiday Special” in which Carrie Fisher appeared drunk and tried to celebrate Christmas through song in a Jesus-less galaxy, Star Wars fans have watched and hated everything. We think Droids was a waste of time, Ewok Adventures was an extension of everything we hated about Return of the Jedi, and we’ve seen both seasons of Clone Wars which we hate because we believe them to be immensely inconsistent with the prequels we also hate.
Star Wars fans think the Star Wars comic-books are a stockpile of contrivance written for marketing purposes by people who know nothing about Star Wars. Every gimmick imaginable to bring back super-weapons long destroyed and token bad-guys long-beaten is spewed forth from these comic books, and Star Wars fans want nothing to do with it. Star Wars fans have read the one in which Han Solo works in tandem with a giant rabbit and we are not impressed.
Then, naturally, there are the videogames. Star Wars fans hate LucasArts, and the opportunist drivel that comprises most of the gameplay-less apertures known as Star Wars games that they vomit up every fiscal quarter. Star Wars fans know that there is no such thing as a good Star Wars strategy game, we yelled at our PS1 when Masters of Teras-Kasi came out, and we kind-of liked the Jedi Knight series, but not at first and definitely not towards the end. Star Wars fans did not like Knights of the Old Republic, unless they were RPG fans. This does not count. Star Wars fans hate Star Wars videogames.
The final main elixir of Star Wars folklore is the ever-growing library of Star Wars books. These have managed to make a complex main character our of practically every background alien seen in the movies, and expanded the universe into a colossal, self-contradictory maze. Star Wars fans hate this. We hate how trite and tired the books were getting before the New Jedi Order series, and we hate the New Jedi Order series for being so radically different, and not nearly trite or tired enough. Star Wars fans hate it when previously-deceased characters are brought back to life, but we also hate Timothy Zahn for not bringing his characters back to life. Star Wars fans did not hate Grand Admiral Thrawn, but we do now, because he is always dead. The Star Wars movies also contradict and completely ignore droves of information within the Star Wars books. Star Wars fans now know that George Lucas has no idea who Jaster Mareel is, and it makes us very angry. Star Wars fans hate Star Wars books.
Now that I have covered all of this, you can finally begin to compute why I can never prove to Emily that Star Wars is a monumental event worth devoting one’s life to. The very nature of the argument means I have to defend Star Wars, and since I am a Star Wars fan, I don’t actually understand how to do that.
Maybe I’ll put it like this. To be a Star Wars fan, one must possess the ability to see a million different failures and downfalls, and then somehow assemble them into a greater picture of perfection. Every true Star Wars fan is a Luke Skywalker, looking at his twisted, evil father, and somehow seeing good.
My earlier statement needs slight revision. We hate everything about Star Wars.
But the idea of Star Wars…the idea we love.
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Nice article. Read it there if you want the original formatting.
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What's the significance of 2:07am, 14 November, 1990?
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This line: Star Wars fans did not hate Grand Admiral Thrawn, but we do now, because he is always dead.
Is gold.
I think 2:07 a.m. 11/14/90 was when he had a phone call with Steven Spielburg about redoing the movies.
Is gold.
I think 2:07 a.m. 11/14/90 was when he had a phone call with Steven Spielburg about redoing the movies.
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So, the terrifying turth about the Star Wars fandom is....that they like it in spite of its obvious flaws.
Holy shit. I guess the fans of everything else in existence must absolutely love every single aspect of whatever it is that they like.
Holy shit. I guess the fans of everything else in existence must absolutely love every single aspect of whatever it is that they like.
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Writers are people, and people are stupid. So, a large chunk of them have the IQ of beach pebbles. ~fgalkin
You're complaining that the story isn't the kind you like. That's like me bitching about the lack of ninjas in Robin Hood. ~CaptainChewbacca
Shh. Being objective about things you like and admitting flaws is NOT FAN BEHAVIOUR. You need to be more rabid and unthinking!
Course, most fans of anything are like this. I mean, I like Blake's 7 and it's hilariously bad. I like B5 and 50%+ of the episodes are unwatchable rubbish. I like Heroes and the second season was go-nowhere ill-advised fanfiction.
Course, most fans of anything are like this. I mean, I like Blake's 7 and it's hilariously bad. I like B5 and 50%+ of the episodes are unwatchable rubbish. I like Heroes and the second season was go-nowhere ill-advised fanfiction.
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But that's the whole point, isn't it? He's talking about people who take Star Wars so seriously that they can't get over its flaws. The people who take it so seriously that they couldn't accept that the prequels were never going to be God in movie form. The people who can't accept that George Lucas's vision was and is not identical to their own. Some of these people even devote time and energy to rewriting parts of Star Wars that didn't match their own expectations.Peptuck wrote:So, the terrifying turth about the Star Wars fandom is....that they like it in spite of its obvious flaws.
When I was a stupid teenager, I was a fan of the crappy Animorphs kid book series. When it ended, I was upset, because it didn't end the way I wanted it to. I actually spent hours each day for a couple of days brooding on how, how, how to change my personal Animorphs canon to "fix it up" so that it fit the expectation I had had. I dreamt of alternate endings, sequels, time-travel. Then, at some point, I grew the fuck up and realized that if a given book isn't fun, don't read it; if a given plot point in an otherwise fun book is stupid, don't think about it; and if the way an author takes a story distresses you, then get over it because the story was obviously way more important to you than it should have been.
Star Wars is an awesome way to waste a few hours every once in a while. The people who treat it like more than that, who think it's serious business, are like the "LOLZ federation civil war" crowd in the Star Trek camp who U235 satirizes every once in a while.
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Most stories rarely ever make it to the Star Control II level of awesome sadly, which is why good fanfiction occurs to make up the difference.Morilore wrote:But that's the whole point, isn't it? He's talking about people who take Star Wars so seriously that they can't get over its flaws. The people who take it so seriously that they couldn't accept that the prequels were never going to be God in movie form. The people who can't accept that George Lucas's vision was and is not identical to their own. Some of these people even devote time and energy to rewriting parts of Star Wars that didn't match their own expectations.Peptuck wrote:So, the terrifying turth about the Star Wars fandom is....that they like it in spite of its obvious flaws.
When I was a stupid teenager, I was a fan of the crappy Animorphs kid book series. When it ended, I was upset, because it didn't end the way I wanted it to. I actually spent hours each day for a couple of days brooding on how, how, how to change my personal Animorphs canon to "fix it up" so that it fit the expectation I had had. I dreamt of alternate endings, sequels, time-travel. Then, at some point, I grew the fuck up and realized that if a given book isn't fun, don't read it; if a given plot point in an otherwise fun book is stupid, don't think about it; and if the way an author takes a story distresses you, then get over it because the story was obviously way more important to you than it should have been.
Star Wars is an awesome way to waste a few hours every once in a while. The people who treat it like more than that, who think it's serious business, are like the "LOLZ federation civil war" crowd in the Star Trek camp who U235 satirizes every once in a while.
That was pretty funny. I found that I am a true Star Wars fan while reading that. Chewie beat me to the comedy gold moment.
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He's right there, funny how I never thought of it before.The Complex and Terrifying Reality of Star Wars Fandom written by: Andrey Summers wrote:(Obi-Wan: “He was our only hope.” Yoda: “No…there is another.” Obi-Wan (not in script): “Oh, right, I f*cking held both of these kids as they were born in Episode 3. Sorry Yoda, I just plumb forgot!”)
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Oh c'mon man! That is basic Star Wars Bitching 101!Junghalli wrote:He's right there, funny how I never thought of it before.The Complex and Terrifying Reality of Star Wars Fandom written by: Andrey Summers wrote:(Obi-Wan: “He was our only hope.” Yoda: “No…there is another.” Obi-Wan (not in script): “Oh, right, I f*cking held both of these kids as they were born in Episode 3. Sorry Yoda, I just plumb forgot!”)
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On a slight tangent, this applies to Star Trek fans too.
While quite a few trekkies gushingly adore Roddenberry's philosophy, every Star Trek forum I've seen (including SDnet) is populated with people who like Star Trek in theory, but are seriously annoyed with its inconsistencies, absurdities, and bits of sloppy writing.
While quite a few trekkies gushingly adore Roddenberry's philosophy, every Star Trek forum I've seen (including SDnet) is populated with people who like Star Trek in theory, but are seriously annoyed with its inconsistencies, absurdities, and bits of sloppy writing.
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I've seen the same in Harry Potter fandom.AirshipFanboy wrote:On a slight tangent, this applies to Star Trek fans too.
While quite a few trekkies gushingly adore Roddenberry's philosophy, every Star Trek forum I've seen (including SDnet) is populated with people who like Star Trek in theory, but are seriously annoyed with its inconsistencies, absurdities, and bits of sloppy writing.
One of the largest HP fan sites, fictionalley.org, has an entire sub-forum dedicated to... bitching about the books, with specific rules that forbid defense of the aspect being bitched about. In other words, if someone makes a thread titled "JKR is a whore" in that subforum, it is grounds for banning should someone post evidence that JKR is not a whore in that thread.
I think the fact that this happens (fans constantly seem to bitch about the series) happens from sheer numbers. Imagine series X, with a large enough number of fans that you can recognize numerous like/dislike attitudes, for example:
1. WHO THE FUCK LET THIS SHIT BE PUBLISHED?!!!!!
2. Uhm... bad, but has a couple of redeeming qualities.
3. Okay, I guess.
4. Mostly good, but has flaws.
5. SQUEE!!! GREATEST THING EVER!!!!!!!!!!! PURRRFECT!!!! THE AUTHOR IS GOD!!!!
The majority of people in the fandom will be in category 4. However, they'll be much less vocal than people from categories 2 and 1 (most people who think a series sucks simply move on to something else, leaving the fandom to those with a significant emotional investment in it). Hence, disbalance of support/criticism in the fandom, given that category 1 is bound to be larger than category 5, and (since there inevitably are flaws), also more likely to have a point.
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Are there any popular sci-fi and or fantasy series that lacks the inconsistencies of star wars, star trek, and the like?
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The smaller something is, the easier it is to be consistent. Single authors help too. If you want consistency, find something short (short stories are obviosuly very consistent lol) written by one guy who wasn't an idiot in a short period of time.
Not, say, a syndicated TV show made over 30 years by a squadron of complete morons. Minus the horrible EU, the OT is relatively fine for instance, even though it was constantly revised at the time.
Not, say, a syndicated TV show made over 30 years by a squadron of complete morons. Minus the horrible EU, the OT is relatively fine for instance, even though it was constantly revised at the time.
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Lord of the Rings?RIPP_n_WIPE wrote:Are there any popular sci-fi and or fantasy series that lacks the inconsistencies of star wars, star trek, and the like?
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"And a force-sensitive mandalorian female Bountyhunter, who is also the granddaughter of Darth Vader is as cool as it can get. Almost absolute zero." -- FTeik
The Posleen series is the prime example of this not working:DStark wrote:The smaller something is, the easier it is to be consistent. Single authors help too. If you want consistency, find something short (short stories are obviosuly very consistent lol) written by one guy who wasn't an idiot in a short period of time.
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