More vaccines cause autism in the news

Post by **Cairber** » 2007-12-06 08:55pm

Autism: To Vaccinate Or Not to Vaccinate

Reporting
Michele Gillen
MIAMI (CBS4) ― A radical move in the world of medicine is advising pediatricians across the country to screen every child at age 18 months and 2 years old for signs of autism.

The greatest of medical detectives, the most loving of parents and the most genius of scientists can't seem to unravel the world of autism and the mystery of what may cause it. Now growing numbers of parents and doctors are declaring war to help find answers for the millions not yet touched by it.

As we searched for answers, we met some young warriors in the fight to defy science and stereotypes; students of Miami's pioneering Victory School. Some of their parents share the nightmare Rick Blackburn lives. His son showed common symptoms of the onset of autism within days of getting vaccinated and was near death at only 18 months.

"We immediately took him to the emergency room and they couldn't do anything about the high fever, listlessness and the vomiting so they admitted him. Doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with him and they were warning us that he may perish. That he was not going to make it," said Blackburn.

What followed was chilling.

"What really was amazing was that we started running across parents in large numbers with the same exact story," said Blackburn

That's no surprise says, pediatrician, Dr. Eric Ryndland who is considered one of the nations foremost experts on autism and controversial in his public concerns over what he considers a potential safety risk of vaccines for some children and the urgent need he says for all parents to take charge of the decision to vaccinate or not.

When asked if the decision to vaccinate or not could put a child in danger, Ryndland responded, "Absolutely. The vaccines sometimes are the straw that breaks the camel's back. The question is if the immune system is overloaded with too many vaccines over too short a period of time, or sometimes, in some cases where children are very susceptible, even one vaccine might cause a problem."

Rydland says there are many theories of why the mercury based preservative thimerisol captured headlines and was, according to the CDC, removed at their request from most childhood vaccines. Ryndland says it might not be the mercury but injections of multiple viruses into young children who may have compromised immune systems that could present a possible risk of triggering a variety of neurological problems.

The CDC reports that no link has been found between the common Measles, Mumps and Rubella Vaccines and neurological disorders.
Frank Maye treats hundreds of autistic children and says he is haunted by the faces of parents struggling with the horror of the so-called lost children.

As a former Miami-Dade detective turned holistic clinician, he is in the investigation of his life, trying to determine if there is a link between children getting vaccinated and autism, which he says is presenting in high numbers at the 18-month mark.

"To me there are too many kids that have come in that have regressed at 18 months for it not to be something for us to look at," said Maye.

He confirmed that 80% of children diagnosed with autism develop problems at 18 months of age, and not at birth--a percentile he found shocking.

"Absolutely shocking. We need to do something that is going to investigate that 18-month aspect and come up with and answer. I've looked all over the country. The pattern seems to be that the children that have a problem around 18-months have reacted to every vaccination whether they have had a 101 fever for about 24 hours and it has gone away," said Maye.

Again, the CDC reports there is no link between autism and vaccines but that its major study into this is due out next year.

Ryndland and Maye agree that all parents need to carefully investigative what type of vaccine regimen they want for their child and evaluate the health - particularly the immune system of the child before vaccinating.

Dr. Rynland suggests investigating how and when to vaccinate
If you vaccinate your child, Dr. Ryndland suggests spanning out the injections and investigating having your child vaccinated for one virus at a time even though it may seem inconvenient.

"First I advise my patients to inform themselves. Second choose vaccines wisely. and third prepare your child for the vaccines," he said.
He says if you are concerned - you might consider delaying certain vaccines.

"So even if a child goes into school they don't have to have vaccines at 2 months, if they are not going to school until they are 5 years old they can delay vaccines. They can only give those vaccines that are required for schools," said Ryndland.

Many parents don't think twice about giving their children flu shots but need to keep in mind that certain brands contain the preservative mercury while others don't.

"I think that first of all I would not give a flu shot to any of my children nor will I recommend it to my grandchildren," said Ryndland.

In the end many parents are struggling for answers. Rick Blackburn finds himself one of thousands across the country attempting to sue manufacturer's alleging a link between autism and the childhood shot.
Whatever the court outcome, he says he hopes the challenge his little boy faces might somehow spare another child.

Phantasee · Post by **Phantasee** » 2007-12-06 09:23pm

Oh, I thought they were talking about the REAL greatest medical detective: House, M.D.

Justforfun000 · Post by **Justforfun000** » 2007-12-07 12:46am

I know correlation doesn't equal causation, but that article seems to be quite intriguing....Are they stating that there are far more babies at the age of 18 months getting vaccine shots that develop autism compared to ones who do not?
If that is a valid statistic, that may be a possibility..I thought the science said otherwise to this though?

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2007-12-07 01:36am

Wonder who'll they'll blame when their kids get polio or rubella?

Geodd · Post by **Geodd** » 2007-12-07 06:16am

More antivax bullshit

When asked if the decision to vaccinate or not could put a child in danger, Ryndland responded, "Absolutely. The vaccines sometimes are the straw that breaks the camel's back. The question is if the immune system is overloaded with too many vaccines over too short a period of time, or sometimes, in some cases where children are very susceptible, even one vaccine might cause a problem."

Jesus Christ that's retarded, are they sure this moron really is a doctor?

Children are exposed to a shitload of foreign antigens and vaccines are a tiny part of those

Funny enough, despite apparently being one of the foremost experts on autism I couldn't find any info on this Ryndland. Maybe my google-fu is weak...

As a former Miami-Dade detective turned holistic clinician

Ahhh, there's the explanation, he's a quack looking to make some noise and a local reporter was stupid enough to fall for it.

Move along, nothing new to see here

Post by **Cairber** » 2007-12-07 09:58am

Justforfun000 wrote:I know correlation doesn't equal causation, but that article seems to be quite intriguing....Are they stating that there are far more babies at the age of 18 months getting vaccine shots that develop autism compared to ones who do not?
If that is a valid statistic, that may be a possibility..I thought the science said otherwise to this though?

The thing is, that's the age when talking, socializing, fine motor skills, etc all come into play. It's the 12-18 month pediatrician appointment where you are asked how many words they know, if they engage in parallel play with other kids, etc. It's also around that time that you get the MMR (12-18 months). SO I think it is all temporal association.

Then there is the issue that there are unvaccinated children with autism, which is a big issue on a mothering board I am on where many families don't vaccinate/didn't vaccinate and still ended up with special needs children (many with autism specifically).

Zixinus · Post by **Zixinus** » 2007-12-07 11:43am

He confirmed that 80% of children diagnosed with autism develop problems at 18 months of age, and not at birth--a percentile he found shocking.

Excuse me, but isn't autism something that needs a somewhat developed brain to manifest? I doubt one can detect an autistic child at birth.

"We immediately took him to the emergency room and they couldn't do anything about the high fever, listlessness and the vomiting so they admitted him. Doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with him and they were warning us that he may perish. That he was not going to make it," said Blackburn.

Let's see:

- high fever
- listlessness
- vomiting

I'm not Dr.House, but I am pretty sure that is not autism. To me, it sounds like the poor kids reacted badly to the vaccine.

In the end many parents are struggling for answers. Rick Blackburn finds himself one of thousands across the country attempting to sue manufacturer's alleging a link between autism and the childhood shot.

Too bad that statistic prove nothing in this case. And I bet that the guy doesn't have any explanation on how the vaccines supposedly induces autism.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2007-12-07 02:03pm

Zixinus wrote:
Let's see:

- high fever
- listlessness
- vomiting

I'm not Dr.House, but I am pretty sure that is not autism. To me, it sounds like the poor kids reacted badly to the vaccine.

Those are the listed side effects of practically every vaccination kids get. I remember being told on several occasions when my kids got their shots that they might have these. And they got them at least once each that I remember. There's nothing abnormal about this, if enough kids get vaccinated then this is bound to show up and there's always a few that have a severe reaction.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-12-08 02:27am

I wish I knew what causes it and I am only mild and "highly functional"

edit in retrospect, I've always had a fucked up immune system too.

my mom and dad had the positive/negative situation going, my mom's allergic to so much food, that it's resulted in more than one miscarriage, and I am either immune or totally raped by any bug that's out there...

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2007-12-08 02:34am

Me too. This story is sooooo fucking bullshit.

Who made this up? And why?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2007-12-08 02:39am

Given there are signs before 12-18 months if your eyes are sharp, for full-blown Auts, you'd think this Luddite bullshit would die out.. But no.. We're subjected to this bullcrap. Why? They're Luddites searching for justification.

Fuck them to hell. Autism is on the rise and every minute spent debunking this could have been spent on finding a way of helping the low functionals.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-12-08 02:41am

Maybe we high functionals should ask Vegas to let us have a convention, and a Blackjack & Poker tournament just to play on our sterotype for research charity?

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2007-12-08 02:49am

I'm not sure how that would work exactly. I'm sure lots of people have private tables in Vegas.

I still don't see why I should have to sit in a chair and drool while repeating "I'm thpecial...I'm thpecial" for hours on end just do get some research done.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2007-12-08 02:51am

Zablorg wrote:I'm not sure how that would work exactly. I'm sure lots of people have private tables in Vegas.

I still don't see why I should have to sit in a chair and drool while repeating "I'm thpecial...I'm thpecial" for hours on end just do get some research done.

Card-counting, Zalborg. Card-counting.

Then we all get thrown out when we break Vegas.

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2007-12-08 02:55am

Hehehehe. I can remember almost anything if it's important to me. If it is for the rest of humanity, they can go fuck themselves.

I say we do it. Just mail me all your bank details and I can buy you all tickets!

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-12-08 07:32pm

you know by "highly functional" doesn't mean that Aspergers cases like my self are willing to divolge enough information for a nigerian scammer in the open.

Actually I was intially thinking a couple levels beyond breaking vegas for Autism research. My suggestion was to ask the Vegas tourism board to set up a tournament for High Function Autistics and Aspergers cases. Since we already have a reputation for being good at counting cards, we wouldn't be expecting to use the Casino's money.

the Idea would be to set up a group, playing with "tokens", that aren't real cash, getting people to "cover" in tax write off contributions, what ever "Value" or fraction we could get playing black jack. Thus we don't break Vegas, the money goes to charity, and ESPN/Casinos get their entertainment package. Which they can market and sell and maybe give 20% of the sales to Autism research (20% is mentioned because that's the minimum amount they can give research and still say it's all tax deductable/not for profit, which is why it's the standard/maximum amount any group will give a charity)

After all getting a convention of Aspergers/Autism Spectrum folks into as noisy and choatic area as a casino without co-operation would be asking for trouble. Even without casino security being on our asses faster than you can say "Hoffman"

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2007-12-08 08:20pm

How far deep into the spectrum would we invite? I can imagine some people being more of a hinderance than a help.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2007-12-08 08:27pm

None of these pricks, if you'll notice, ever provide a specific mechanism for how vaccines cause autism.

Ryndland says it might not be the mercury but injections of multiple viruses into young children who may have compromised immune systems that could present a possible risk of triggering a variety of neurological problems.

Yes, I'm sure that Mr. Detective-turned-Holistic-Clinician half-baked theory is worth anything more than jack shit.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-12-08 08:28pm

let's keep the ones who have sonic dissociacian like me out of it.

I can't count for shit when I have migrains....

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2007-12-08 08:30pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:let's keep the ones who have sonic dissociacian like me out of it.

I can't count for shit when I have migrains....

Yeah, stuff like that. Also, people who would sidle over to the bar and poke the 'tender for hours on end would probably a no-no as well.