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Bush Vetoes SCHIP Again

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Bush vetoes kids health insurance bill

By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer 22 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - President Bush vetoed legislation Wednesday that would have expanded government-provided health insurance for children, his second slap-down of a bipartisan effort in Congress to dramatically increase funding for the popular program.
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It was Bush's seventh veto in seven years — all but one coming since Democrats took control of Congress in January. Wednesday was the deadline for Bush to act or let the bill become law. The president also vetoed an earlier, similar bill expanding the health insurance program.

Bush vetoed the bill in private.

In a statement notifying Congress of his decision, Bush said the bill was unacceptable because — like the first one — it allows adults into the program, would cover people in families with incomes above the U.S. median and raises taxes.

"This bill does not put poor children first, and it moves our country's health care system in the wrong direction," Bush's statement said. "Ultimately, our nation's goal should be to move children who have no health insurance to private coverage, not to move children who already have private health insurance to government coverage."

Bush urged Congress to extend the program at its current funding level before lawmakers leave Washington for their holiday break.

In fact, congressional leaders had already said earlier Wednesday that they now will try only to extend the State Children's Health Insurance Program, or SCHIP, well into 2008 in basically its current form. Their comments signaled that they have given up efforts to substantially expand the program.

The House voted 211-180 late Wednesday to put off until Jan. 23 a vote on overriding the president's veto. "We are not going to let this veto stand," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Republicans said Democrats were scheduling the veto override vote to coincide with the week Bush comes to Congress for the State of the Union address.

The bill passed the Democratic-controlled Senate by a veto-proof margin, but the same was not true in the House. Even after the bill was approved, negotiations continued to find a compromise version that would attract enough Republican lawmakers to override Bush's expected veto. A two-thirds vote in both chambers is required to override a presidential veto.

But that effort was unsuccessful.

The bill Bush vetoed would have increased federal funding for SCHIP by $35 billion over five years, to add an estimated 4 million people to the program that provides insurance coverage for children from families who earn too much to qualify for Medicaid but cannot afford private insurance. The joint federal-state program currently provides benefits to roughly 6 million people, mostly children.

A major point of contention with the White House was Bush's demand that nearly all poor children eligible for the program be found and enrolled before any in slightly higher-income families could be covered. He originally proposed adding $5 billion to the program over five years but later said he was willing to go higher as long as his conditions were met.

The president also has opposed using an increased tobacco tax to fund the program expansion. The bill includes a 61-cent rise on a package of cigarettes.

Bush's veto in early October of a similar bill was narrowly upheld by the House.

But such votes are uncomfortable for GOP lawmakers. It is a popular program with the public, making some Republicans wary of sticking with Bush on such an issue with the 2008 elections looming. Of the 43 million people nationwide who lack health insurance, more than 6 million are under 18 years old. That's more than 9 percent of all children.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said the House will take up the extension question Thursday in a bill that also will make adjustments to Medicare.

"We'll obviously need to put additional money" into the children's health insurance program, Hoyer said, because several states say they will have to remove recipients from their rolls if the current funding level continues into next year.

Hoyer declined to say how much new money would go into the program or how long it might be extended. In the past, top Democrats have suggested they might extend the program until September or October, allowing them to reconsider it shortly before the 2008 elections.

Leading up to Bush's quiet late-afternoon action, the White House and Democratic leaders sought the upper hand with the public — with each blaming the other for causing the stalemate and being unwilling to give ground.

In his veto statement, Bush said: "The leadership in the Congress has refused to meet with my administration's representatives." White House press secretary Dana Perino said that "even on a staff level, we weren't invited to negotiate."

"They've instead been intransigent and sent us two bills that they knew he wouldn't sign," she scoffed.

Not so, said Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

For instance, Reid approached Bush to ask for negotiations during a ceremony for the Dalai Lama in the Capitol Rotunda in mid-October, a couple of weeks after Bush's first SCHIP veto, he said. The president told Reid, "No, I'm not moving, meet with my staff," Reid said at the time.

"The fact is that Senator Reid and Speaker Pelosi asked to meet with the president to discuss giving children the health care they need, and he blew them off by telling them to talk to his staff," Manley said before the veto. "Now he's going to veto it for a second time without negotiating once."
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Is this what Republicans really voted for? And does anyone really think the current crop of Republicans are going to be any different if they get into the White House? The GOP simply doesn't stand for anything any more. That's why a lot of us (me, Markos, Arianna), left the part long ago, and lots more are leaving today. It's the reason far more people call themselves Democrats than Republicans when polled about their political allegiances. The Republicans have become the party of nasty old men who have nothing left to stand for. And the American people know it. But just in case they don't, we have people like George Bush who are happy to constantly remind them.

And there you have it: Bush doesn't mind children suffering lingering deaths if they're not rich white proto-Republicans.
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remember insurance for the poor children, unfairly taxes the poor, and damages our fragile insurance/health industry.
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Ultimately, our nation's goal should be to move children who have no health insurance to private coverage
The president also has opposed using an increased tobacco tax to fund the program expansion. The bill includes a 61-cent rise on a package of cigarettes.
:roll: This is... self-explanatory.
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This is hardly a surprise, because of the use of these kinds of tactics by the GOP. They're playing a very cynical game; that if they keep stalling and stalling in the Congress, using the same types of filibusters that they decried the Democrats for using 4 years ago while backing it up with Bush's veto power, that the public will reject the Democrats as "do nothings" and re-elect the Republicans in as pro-active fiscal conservatives in 2008.

And in spite of all the minor gnashing of teeth by Republican legislators about how this is "making them feel uneasy blocking a popular program", when push comes to shove, they rally around the party line. That might be admirable, were it not resulting in this kind of shit (blocking solid programs to show that they're "fiscal conservatives" even thought they're ignoring the big elephant in the room - Iraq).
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The lie here is that this program is for "poor" kids. It's most assuredly not for poor children. poor children are covered under medicaid/medicare. This program is specifically for those kids whose parents make too much for them to qualify for medicaid/medicare, but who still cannot get adequate health coverage..
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So it's not for really destitute children, but it's still for people to poor to afford adequate care. Different degree, I guess it would be. I have sympathy for people on the margin of can/cannot afford. It's tough being in the middle "cut off."
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Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:So it's not for really destitute children, but it's still for people to poor to afford adequate care. Different degree, I guess it would be. I have sympathy for people on the margin of can/cannot afford. It's tough being in the middle "cut off."
I believe it also covers children with pre-existing condictions whose families cannot even qualify for insurance, or if they do, cannot afford the exhorbinant rates.
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"This bill does not put poor children first, and it moves our country's health care system in the wrong direction," Bush's statement said. "Ultimately, our nation's goal should be to move children who have no health insurance to private coverage, not to move children who already have private health insurance to government coverage."
Poor children have Medicaid, you fucking moron. SCHIP isn't for poor children.
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So wait, Bush is insinuating that those under SCHIP already are insured? But they can't be in Medicaid and afford private insurance so they must be uninsured, right? Someone tell that to Bush. He's either delusional or just a lying scumbag.
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You can't have a welfare program that benefits the citizens directly, you fucking commies. Taxpayer dollars MUST be funneled into an entirely unnecessary money manipulating private industry first.

Make sure the insurance companies are taken care of. Then we can talk about sick kids.
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Ah Bush. Nothing like good old fashioned lying, huh? What is it with conservatives and government health care? I've never heard of any government health insurance plan that was mandatory, where you automatically had to give up your private insurance and accept the government insurance. If you are happy with your private insurance and its coverage, keep it.

My question is, wouldn't the effect of government healthcare actually make private healthcare more affordable? It seems to me that the prices of health insurance are so high because they are the only game in town. You have two options, buy from them insurance industry, which will charge you an arm and a leg, or go completely without and risk going bankrupt if you actually get sick. Introducing a Choice C seems that it would be benefitial, simply because the insurance industry would have to be more flexible in pricing premiums due to the competition.
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What's pretty funny is I bet corporate leaders are screaming Bush's head off with numbers and stats that if only the government would do its job, they wouldn't have to pay for expensive union bullshit.

Bush's answer: cut 'em all!

The healthcare issue is gets to the real core of conservotards: do not budge, even if you are wrong, because strength is stay the course. Even if all of Bush's backers tell him he's wrong, he won't move because healthcare is a fundamental issue, even moreso than Iraq. Cannot have public healthcare, because that's "socialist" an evil buzzword. I think conservatives really think this way: they have lists of buzzwords in their heads and categorize things into "liberal" or "Democrat" or "conservative" or "religious." Which explains why they're so good at keeping trains running on time, but when it comes to real thinking, filing cabinet mind can't adapt.

The taxes thing is pretty fucking funny too. It's hilarious that the majority of Americans see themselves as one lottery ticket away from never working again, as "pre-rich", so they never want to do anything to fuck their future rich white conservative selves. Meanwhile, rich whites are laughing their way to the bank, rolling in glee at how stupid working class whites are. Working class whites will never catch up with elites, and their interests and work ethic are completely different. Case in point: compare the Republican Congressman's anger at a five day work week with the average blue collar person who will probably vote Republican or go conservative. The blue collar person would see red if the elite told him he deserved four day weekends. The goals, the interests are fundamentally different, and either working class whites wake up, or America goes down the shitter.
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