Edited first 5 minutes of AVP-R up

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2007-12-12 09:49pm

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/a/Aliens-Vs- ... 87454.html

Apparently there's a scene or two left out (including supposedly a molting scene).

The preds apparently have some damn nice FTL comms.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2007-12-12 10:04pm

1) Since when can a couple of drops of Alien blood eat through cloth flesh and bone fast enough to make an arm fall off, just like that, within about five seconds of exposure?

2) Aren't Predators supposed to be...well...competent? I thought that it was a given that any Predator we've seen has killed at least one Alien already, except in the first film (where they were obviously "in training").

3) Kind of funny how the Predator's transmission includes a camera view from outside the ship, with no obvious point of origin...

Verdict from the first five minutes:
Piece of shit, just like the last one.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2007-12-12 10:15pm

Molyneux wrote:1) Since when can a couple of drops of Alien blood eat through cloth flesh and bone fast enough to make an arm fall off, just like that, within about five seconds of exposure?

Facehugger blood is a damn sight more acidic than the adult stuff from what we see in the movies (i.e. alien where a few drops of blood from a facehugger eat through most of the ship).

2) Aren't Predators supposed to be...well...competent? I thought that it was a given that any Predator we've seen has killed at least one Alien already, except in the first film (where they were obviously "in training").

They aren't dealing with a normal xeno here, and furthermore it's one they didn't know was aboard until it started slaughtering them. None of the AVP books ever denied that Xenos weren't still dangerous, if they weren't then they wouldn't be worth training the young'ins on. And the only instance I can recall of a predalien in the comics had it as a damn sight more dangerous.

3) Kind of funny how the Predator's transmission includes a camera view from outside the ship, with no obvious point of origin...

That one I'll give you provided he's not viewing a computer generated view or some such.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2007-12-12 11:58pm

SylasGaunt wrote:Facehugger blood is a damn sight more acidic than the adult stuff from what we see in the movies (i.e. alien where a few drops of blood from a facehugger eat through most of the ship).

His arm falls off within a few seconds of a minor splatter.
That's not just acidic, that's insane.

They aren't dealing with a normal xeno here, and furthermore it's one they didn't know was aboard until it started slaughtering them. None of the AVP books ever denied that Xenos weren't still dangerous, if they weren't then they wouldn't be worth training the young'ins on. And the only instance I can recall of a predalien in the comics had it as a damn sight more dangerous.

I don't know how dangerous predaliens are, but still - it's at least three adult Predators being schooled, easily, by a single Xenomorph. Oh, and they have no kind of internal ships' sensors that would detect the alien. And it grows from fingerling to full-size killing machine with no obvious source of mass (unless it eats the corpse lying in state - in which case, why the hell didn't the Predators notice it was missing?). And for the first time ever, we see a dying Predator send a distress signal instead of triggering the nuclear self-destruct that would have nicely sterilized the crash site (and removed the need for the movie).

Oh, AND the ship has no kind of autopilot whatsoever - unless it's set on some kind of "redneck-hunter-seeking" mode.

When a five-minute movie clip has more than one plothole per minute, it's generally good sense to doubt the worth of the movie.

3) Kind of funny how the Predator's transmission includes a camera view from outside the ship, with no obvious point of origin...
That one I'll give you provided he's not viewing a computer generated view or some such.

Well, it's glaringly obvious that it's just showing the same camera angle we saw the ship from in the previous scene. If they took two seconds to show some kind of probe outside the ship taking the video, it would have made perfect sense - as it is, it's just jarring.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2007-12-13 12:02am

So one of the Predators blows a hole through the side of his ship and the facehuggers sound like chipmunks.

Might not suck but I'm not getting my hopes up.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2007-12-13 12:17am

Molyneux wrote:I don't know how dangerous predaliens are, but still - it's at least three adult Predators being schooled, easily, by a single Xenomorph.

I think you answered your criticism at the end of this sentence with the phrase at the beginning.

Oh, and they have no kind of internal ships' sensors that would detect the alien.

This is a fair critique, and something I was kind of wondering about too. Shouldn't they be able to see something odd in their comrade's heat pattern or some such?

And it grows from fingerling to full-size killing machine with no obvious source of mass (unless it eats the corpse lying in state - in which case, why the hell didn't the Predators notice it was missing?).

Er, did you miss the OP's mention that a molting scene had been cut?

And for the first time ever, we see a dying Predator send a distress signal instead of triggering the nuclear self-destruct that would have nicely sterilized the crash site (and removed the need for the movie).

I got the impression that he was activating his self destruct, and the predalien smashed his gear before it could do the job.

Oh, AND the ship has no kind of autopilot whatsoever - unless it's set on some kind of "redneck-hunter-seeking" mode.

Also got the impression that this was predalien-induced.

When a five-minute movie clip has more than one plothole per minute, it's generally good sense to doubt the worth of the movie.

I think most of these criticisms are unfounded and circumstantial. One of them holds up. The rest do not, necessarily.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2007-12-13 12:37am

Molyneux wrote: His arm falls off within a few seconds of a minor splatter.
That's not just acidic, that's insane.

And? In Alien we see a minor splatter of facehugger blood eat down through something like 5 or 6 decks of a starship in under a minute. The facehugger blood is NASTY stuff... and supposedly the stuff in the eggs is even worse according to some of the books.

I don't know how dangerous predaliens are, but still - it's at least three adult Predators being schooled, easily, by a single Xenomorph.

At least one (and likely 2) of which happen due to ambush and we never even see if it's the predalien that's responsible for mauling up the 3rd of if most of the damage that left him dying was from the crash.

Oh, and they have no kind of internal ships' sensors that would detect the alien.

Or at least don't have any setting off automated alerts. It's not like the thing broke in.

And it grows from fingerling to full-size killing machine with no obvious source of mass (unless it eats the corpse lying in state - in which case, why the hell didn't the Predators notice it was missing?).

You can hardly fault AVP:R on this one as they do that in pretty much every Alien movie.. come to think of it I think they even mention that in the colonial marines tech manual.

And for the first time ever, we see a dying Predator send a distress signal instead of triggering the nuclear self-destruct that would have nicely sterilized the crash site (and removed the need for the movie).

Looked to me like he was setting the bomb and got killed before he could finish arming it.

According to the novels at least the Preds are not keen on other people getting their grubby mits on their stuff, hence why a recreational hunter is running around with a small tactical nuclear warhead strapped to his wrist. It makes sense if they can make an FTL transmitter small enough to send video feed from a mask that they could make one to sound an alarm if a pred starts arming his bomb and stops partway through doing so.

Oh, AND the ship has no kind of autopilot whatsoever - unless it's set on some kind of "redneck-hunter-seeking" mode.

UHm.. it just got a giant hole blown in it side autopilot might not have done much good. It's just a shuttle.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2007-12-13 12:38am

Oh and Wolf seems to have returned the species back to the mouth style seen in Predator, hurah!

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2007-12-13 01:13am

SylasGaunt wrote:Oh and Wolf seems to have returned the species back to the mouth style seen in Predator, hurah!

Yeah everyone seems willing to jump on this movie because that last one was crap. Even though Paul Worthless Shit Anderson is out that the new guys in charge seem to want correct a lot of the wrongs he created.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2007-12-13 12:31pm

Molyneux wrote:1) Since when can a couple of drops of Alien blood eat through cloth flesh and bone fast enough to make an arm fall off, just like that, within about five seconds of exposure?

Really? I think it didn't came off fast enough considering how quickly it can eat through the deck plating of a large ship capable of traveling through space. Don't you?

2) Aren't Predators supposed to be...well...competent? I thought that it was a given that any Predator we've seen has killed at least one Alien already, except in the first film (where they were obviously "in training").

Predators seem to be better in open enviroments. Closed in enviroments, like their starship, aren't as good for them. Though you think they would have designed it with the idea that an alien might make it onto their ship.

3) Kind of funny how the Predator's transmission includes a camera view from outside the ship, with no obvious point of origin...

Who knows. Maybe it's a towed array, or maybe they have some sort of system that tracks their ships. Who cares?

Verdict from the first five minutes:
Piece of shit, just like the last one.

Looks like an enjoyable action movie. What are you expecting?

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2007-12-13 05:16pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Molyneux wrote:1) Since when can a couple of drops of Alien blood eat through cloth flesh and bone fast enough to make an arm fall off, just like that, within about five seconds of exposure?
Really? I think it didn't came off fast enough considering how quickly it can eat through the deck plating of a large ship capable of traveling through space. Don't you?

No. Hole through the arm would have been impressive and believable; arm falling off entirely looked like he was doing a Black Knight impression.

2) Aren't Predators supposed to be...well...competent? I thought that it was a given that any Predator we've seen has killed at least one Alien already, except in the first film (where they were obviously "in training").

Predators seem to be better in open enviroments. Closed in enviroments, like their starship, aren't as good for them. Though you think they would have designed it with the idea that an alien might make it onto their ship.

I would have thought they'd scan the Predator's body, or keep some kind of Alien-detecting internal sensors, especially given that they knew the Pred-kid had been in a giant stone temple filled with facehuggers and Aliens, and came back without his mask.

3) Kind of funny how the Predator's transmission includes a camera view from outside the ship, with no obvious point of origin...
Who knows. Maybe it's a towed array, or maybe they have some sort of system that tracks their ships. Who cares?

Silly question; I do, obviously, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it.
It's jarring, and distracted me completely from the nice design of Wolf the first time I saw the footage.

Looks like an enjoyable action movie. What are you expecting?

...a decent scifi/horror film? Something I didn't get last time?

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2007-12-13 05:30pm

Molyneux wrote: No. Hole through the arm would have been impressive and believable; arm falling off entirely looked like he was doing a Black Knight impression.

It wasn't a single drop though. He was hit by a spray of acid after shooting the face hunger.

I would have thought they'd scan the Predator's body, or keep some kind of Alien-detecting internal sensors, especially given that they knew the Pred-kid had been in a giant stone temple filled with facehuggers and Aliens, and came back without his mask.

Well, we know they can scan for growing aliens so that leaves two possibilities

1 - They did not scan

2 - They did scan, but failed to detect it. Sometimes scans miss things this happens in real life why can't it happen in the movies?

Silly question; I do, obviously, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it.
It's jarring, and distracted me completely from the nice design of Wolf the first time I saw the footage.

It's very nitpicky. Makes you seem like you absolutely don't want to like this film.

...a decent scifi/horror film? Something I didn't get last time?

Huh. Seems more like an action movie to me just like the last one, but without the R rating.

PREDATOR490 · Post by **PREDATOR490** » 2007-12-13 07:02pm

Is it me or isnt that just the old trailer we saw before ?

Might be I missed the video your linking too but either way from the comments being made I suspect I'm not missing much. The person who makes up the catch lines REALLY needs to get a new job.

"In space noone can hear you scream" - Ok, worked for aliens and its a classic so you have your nice nostalgia moment.

"On Earth, It wont matter " - Yeah, what the fuck ?

Just like the "Whoever wins, we lose" crap.

Noone really expects the catchphrases of today to be epic but christ... most films have catchphrases that are actually attempting to create suspense, dont sound stupid and contain obvious lies.
I would have been more impressed if it had said " On Earth, they can hear you scream" Although "Noone cares" is more appropriate.

It pretty much sums up the concept of the film (fan reactions too I would expect) but what the hell. Chalk that one up to writer block since its mainly trivial. Which naturally brings us to the trailer itself. Dosent seem bad from an action movie perspective but its fairly obvious by the looks its going to follow the traditional alien cliche with flashier effects.

I think the major problem this movie and the last one suffers from is the fan base having high expectations of two genres that were action/horror movies and being disappointed you dont see some epic story like LOTR.
Horror films are 99% cliche or writer's fiat and action films center around big bangs rather than exposition. Put the two together and you get a movie that is contrived, fast paced, short and dramatically dull.
Put the two together with the limitations of the animalistic Xenomorphs and solitary Predators and you have little hope of creating any real drama or interaction. Even if such interaction did occur it would only piss off people wanting to see the slaughter and explosions.

This movie is nothing more than an action flick so go in expecting big bangs and lots of carnage. Beyond that I wouldnt even dare expect this movie to try anything particularily creative. I'm finding it more than likely they will pull some foolish crap like having some character related to someone we know or create a bridge between this movie and Alien.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2007-12-13 07:10pm

Much as I wanted to hate the first film, it wasn't bad. Sure, a lot of it pissed on the canon, but like T3, I saw it as a stand alone action flick. A PG rated one, yes, but entertaining still.

However, I hope this is where we get what we truly wanted and could only read in the novels or play in the games. No Paul Anderson is good and the R-rating the cherry on the cake.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-12-13 07:14pm

The idea that you couldn't patch together a threadbare story about aliens and predators without being as retarded as the first movie is offensive. They're just not TRYING, because all the brandwhores will see it anyway and the majority of their audience doesn't care.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2007-12-13 07:16pm

I don't really see what story can be garnered from Pred ship crashes, crashed ship has fucking nasty aliens on-board, chaos ensures in Bumfuck, USA.

All go die at the end. Fin.

If anything, it'll let me kill a few billion more brain cells off this year to make up for my lack of alcohol consumption. Hey Stark, then I'll only be as smart as you.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2007-12-13 07:18pm

Maybe I'll catch this at the local drafthouse for a buck if I don't bum it off a friend's DVD collection.

Really, it looks like average corny hooky sci-fi shit flick with some boom and many rampant moments of complete stupidity.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2007-12-13 07:35pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I don't really see what story can be garnered from Pred ship crashes, crashed ship has fucking nasty aliens on-board, chaos ensures in Bumfuck, USA.

All go die at the end. Fin.

If anything, it'll let me kill a few billion more brain cells off this year to make up for my lack of alcohol consumption. Hey Stark, then I'll only be as smart as you.

Now that's the attitude you need to enjoy a movie like this.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-12-13 07:39pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I don't really see what story can be garnered from Pred ship crashes, crashed ship has fucking nasty aliens on-board, chaos ensures in Bumfuck, USA.

All go die at the end. Fin.

If anything, it'll let me kill a few billion more brain cells off this year to make up for my lack of alcohol consumption. Hey Stark, then I'll only be as smart as you.

Not being able to make a story out of their retarded premise isn't the issue. You might as well say 'how can you make a story out of alien hunting dudes in the jungle' or 'how can you make a story out of this robot from the future'. The story doesn't have to be GOOD, but saying it's somehow impossible to cook up something consistent and involving for an action movie is retarded. Pred490 is just using a copout to make it okay that modern action movies are even stupider than 80s ones.

Like I said, they're not even trying. Why would they? Why waste time on rewrites and talent when you have a guaranteed minor moneymaker that will never be maninstream no matter what you do?

PREDATOR490 · Post by **PREDATOR490** » 2007-12-13 08:53pm

Oh of course its not impossible to make action movies with decent consistancy or make one that is really good. What IS becoming excessively difficult in todays films is the attempts to really try at doing these kind of things with low key established genres. As has been said, they dont need to really try because people are going to watch it due to simple brand loyalty and lack of intrest in the genre as a whole.
Hence, for the people who will inevitably complain about how bad the movie is compared to their beloved expections it is essentially their own fault for thinking this wouldnt be anything more than a 2 hour piece of special effects and action.

FA Xerrik · Post by **FA Xerrik** » 2007-12-15 12:05am

I think midnight showing is the way to go on this one. The only way to really enjoy it will to be surrounded by people who want to love it. The fun is in the company, because we surely can't expect anything from the film itself.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2007-12-15 01:10am

FA Xerrik wrote:I think midnight showing is the way to go on this one. The only way to really enjoy it will to be surrounded by people who want to love it. The fun is in the company, because we surely can't expect anything from the film itself.

What is it that you expect from this film that it will not almost certainly deliver?

Gore? Ridiculous action? Predators? Aliens? Humans being torn apart? Cool special effects?

Seriously, what is it that you seek from this movie that you feel you received from Aliens or Predator but that it will not give you?

The failing of the first AvP was, to me, that it didn't push hard enough (PG-13? In one of these? Gimme a break) and that its creatures weren't interesting (specifically, the Predators were kind of boring). I don't think we'll find Wolf to be very boring.

Winston Blake · Post by **Winston Blake** » 2007-12-15 02:44am

The only impressive thing was the Predator technology. It makes no sense, but their culture would fit into a Lovecraft story like a glove.

In fact, the whole AvP premise could make a great story from a Lovecraftian angle, with explorers stumbling upon the Antarctic pyramid cities of fiendish ancient horrors who made sport of terrorising the galaxy. The deeper into the ruins they go, the more the stories of an even darker horror make sense, of eye-less slimy beasts subjugated over a thousand years, and ritually slaughtered in brutal, arcane ceremonies. At the heart of the aeons-silent temple, something stirs...

Actually, AvP1 was basically 'At the Mountains of Madness', blended with cat vomit and served with a light dressing of horse piss.

FA Xerrik · Post by **FA Xerrik** » 2007-12-15 11:31am

McC wrote:Gore? Ridiculous action? Predators? Aliens? Humans being torn apart? Cool special effects?

I hope it has all of these! I just feel like the fun factor would be magnified tenfold if you were surrounded by cheering and yelling fanboys (who I would count myself among) instead of waiting to watch it either by your lonesome or in a group of haters.

andrewgpaul · Post by **andrewgpaul** » 2007-12-15 02:00pm

Are yuou people looking at the same trailer I am? I don't see 3 Predators losing to a single alien, the guy's arm appears to be off the top of the shot, I can't see it being eaten off, and there's no 'transmission' that I can see; just some externals of the shuttle passing overhead then crashing.