What if a wormhole appeared linking SW and WH40K, and the Em

Manji · Post by **Manji** » 2002-07-24 12:06pm

What if a wormhole came into existance which likned the SW galaxy to the Milky Way of the WH40K saga, and the Galactic Empire, the first to discover the wormhole and scout out the new galaxy, then approached the Imperium of Man offering an alliance against their various enemies?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-07-24 12:20pm

well, the imperium is ultra religious, while the empire is seemingly uncaring (this battlestation is now the ultimate power in the universe). they both have a tendency to shoot first and ask questions never, and a battle between the two would be likely. I'm thinking the imperium would lose, because they are 'spread then', fighting elder and orks and the rest, while the empire has iron fisted control over everything.

if they did in fact ally, and the hyperdrive was not regarded heretical and from the dark age of technology, then the imperium would quickly take control of their galaxy. current ships take yrs or centuries to go from star to star, while hyperdrive is insanely fast. all the colonies are picked up, and the elder, orks, tyranids, and necrons wiped out or enslaved, caught by the blindign whirlwind that would ensue.

the empire, on the otherhand, would prolly be happy to use psychers, and teach a few of them the dark side of the force. I don't think he'd gain much else from such an alliance tho, instead sending ships to take out the imperium - he already holds his galaxy pretty damn well.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-24 12:38pm

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Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-07-24 02:47pm

Necrons Caught up in a whirlwind

Even theough the necron FTL drive can cross the galaxy in a few seconds at most?

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-07-24 02:53pm

NecronLord wrote:Necrons Caught up in a whirlwind

Even theough the necron FTL drive can cross the galaxy in a few seconds at most?

WTF! Where does it say that?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-07-24 03:38pm

-shrugs- I haven't read the necron book. do forgive me - I was applying the imperium's stl technology to all the worlds in war40k, in the assumption that any fleet that goes faster would have won already.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-07-24 03:52pm

They haven't conquered because they have been in stais for 60,000,000 years, Their tech is massivly above the imperiums

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-07-24 03:53pm

if you can travel across the stars in weeks while the enemy can only do in decades, you can conquer them in almost no time at all.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-07-24 04:04pm

Codex Necrons Page 25

"Armed with weapons of God-like power and ships that could cross the galaxy in the blink of an eye, the Necrontyr stood ready to begin their war anew."

I'm being generous with the a few seconds thing

Also on page 57 theres a bit of an essay on their fleet capabilities, from the imperial perspective.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-07-24 04:04pm

-raises eyebrows- you'd think necrons, withthat speed, would have toasted humanity by now.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-07-24 04:08pm

Humans are usually beneath their notice, they don't bother to attack them other than to harvest them... The necrons masters consume organic creatures. Why do you think necrons are machines? Other than that they only fight to defend themselves from attack.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-07-24 04:14pm

http://www.games-workshop.com/40kuniver ... efault.htm

See particularly the Necron engineering project that can produce a 1AU diameter object, (and make the tryanic hive mind flee)

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-07-25 11:24pm

Ugh. Necrons. The 40K version of the undead from Warhammer Fantasy.

Necrons also haven't laid waste to all in the galaxy because GW doesn't want to kill their money making endeavour just yet. They might want to royally screw the older players who already have armies, but...

I think Palpatine would try to find a way to harvest the powers of Chaos for his own ends. Vader meets Abaddon the Despoiler, anyone? Of course this is right after he decides to start genetically, biologically, and cybernetically augmenting his own stormtroopers to make them the physical matches of the Space Marines of the Imperium (strength, speed, toughness, etc.). The stormies still have better armor, but they can't stay awake for a week on end (as far as I know)...

Tatterdemalion · Post by **Tatterdemalion** » 2002-07-27 09:40pm

I'm thinking the imperium would lose, because they are 'spread then', fighting elder and orks and the rest, while the empire has iron fisted control over everything.

Depends what you mean by spread thin. Remember by 40k standerds the Imperium can be 'spread thin' and still have enough fire power on the more important worlds to fend off an attack consisting of around 3 billion ships (Tyranid Hive fleet Behemoth) albeit barely.
The Imperium probably couldn't mount any kind of major offensive campaign simply due to the speed of their ships and the distance from the Astronomicon (meaning high-risk travel) However the IoM's defences are more than a mach for anything short of mass-amounts of Star-destroyers, and even then they'll probably only get so far. (Unless they go for hit and run tactics, I remember one person on spacebattles once suggested that the Empire could actually just send the deathstar to Terra via hyperspace and fire away, though that does open up a whole new can of worms, what with the obscure nature of 40k fluff.)

Anyway I say that they end up in a stalemate. That said they would probaby make peace with the Empire just as long as they oust that Palpatine fellow and embrace the true glory of the divine God-emporer...

just forget I said anything okay.

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-07-27 10:37pm

God, please don't bring up 40K and fluff in the same sentence.

God, sometimes I can't stand that part of 40K.

I still think that the Emperor would start trying to harness the power of Chaos.

Bwahahahaha!

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-08-07 10:07pm

The GE never makes contact, the delagation meets with an accident on the way.. an accident that involves lots of very fast alien ships, and D-Cannons... Theres no way the Eldar would allow the IoM to get it's hands on hyperdrive technolgy it unbalances the galactic scale too much, and would lead to disaster for the Eldar, all this would be seen by the Farseer's and prevented.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-08-08 02:47pm

presuming that the eldar have an opening from their web anywhere near the wormhole, and that they couldn't find a way to ally with the empire to further their own ends. If they can forsee and stop any damned threat, why are the Tyranids and the Necrons active in the galaxy? Why was Slaanesh able to form in the first place? Wouldn't the emperors ability to see the future at least partially counteract the Eldar's? Oh, and if they did succeed in destroying an Imperial recon fleet, then the Empire would only send out a bigger, much more heavily armed armada.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-08-08 06:10pm

willburns84 wrote:Of course this is right after he decides to start genetically, biologically, and cybernetically augmenting his own stormtroopers to make them the physical matches of the Space Marines of the Imperium (strength, speed, toughness, etc.). The stormies still have better armor, but they can't stay awake for a week on end (as far as I know)...

Stormies have better armour?
And you pull this idea from where? The Warp?
Standard marine Power armour offers prtection against all basic anti-personnel weaponary as well some heavy weapons. It also, along with a mairnes natural resistance, offers full NBC protection.
And need I discuss Stormie aromour Vs Tactical Dreadnaught (Terminator) Armour?

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-08-09 08:58pm

consequences wrote:presuming that the eldar have an opening from their web anywhere near the wormhole, and that they couldn't find a way to ally with the empire to further their own ends. If they can forsee and stop any damned threat, why are the Tyranids and the Necrons active in the galaxy? Why was Slaanesh able to form in the first place? Wouldn't the emperors ability to see the future at least partially counteract the Eldar's? Oh, and if they did succeed in destroying an Imperial recon fleet, then the Empire would only send out a bigger, much more heavily armed armada.

Okay I'll answer first the points on how accurate would the seer's be with this. From 'Codex Eldar' (Not the latest one but the only differances are in the rules, the stories in the two while covering different events do not contradict each other, I have he newest two, but can't find it. (A Lot of my stuff is in big boxes at the moment my room is too small to store my stuff when I'm at home from Uni)) anyway here goes...

[Q] The farseer's of the Eldar Craftworlds are the most powerful mystic's in the galaxy. Their minds move upon the silent threads of destiny which form all possible futures... It is a path that must be walked with care, for one mistep could easily lead to the destruction of the Eldar race.

Whenever cataclysm has threatened the Eldar it has Always been forseen and vanquished, redirected and ameliorated. The farseer's guide the armies and fleets of the Eldar against the nascent peril, and often end a threat before it has begun.[/Q]

As for the possibiltie of the Emporer misdirecting the Eldar which do you mean the God-Emporer of the 40K verse or Palpatine? If Palpatine not a chance... [Q]The Eldar are a psychic race, and can all manipulate psychic energy to a greater or lesser extent. Their technolgy is based upon Psychically sensitive materials such as Wraithbone..Eldar drawn onto the path of the seer are unique in that they explore their psychic potential and learn how to manipulate runes to gain mastery over the psychic universe...[/Q] On Warlocks who are Less powerful psychics than Farseer's [Q]Few Psycker's of other races can equal the power of an Eldar Warlock...[/Q] Why do I say the Farseer's are more powerful simple the Farseer's are the teacher's pof the warlocks. They will spend the rest of their lives as Psychics, very long lives, the same that an Exarch only thinks of war. (An Exarch is a peson stuck on the warrior path when they are not fighting they are training... the Farseer's are similar when not activly divining the future you can bet they are training or teaching)

Why did they not see Slannesh's birth good question, simplest reason's first... Farseer's didn't exist the path system is a result of the birth of Slannesh, since a farseer is a person stuck on the path of the sere, before they had a path system Farseer's couldn't exist. The Eldar had been totally immune to outside force's for a very long time, with that sort of immunity their wouldn't have been anyone really looking into the future, why bother.

Why Nid's abilty to predict the future will simply tell you a threat is coming and how to avoid it, simply put you can't predict the nid's out of existence sheer number's... (Several Galaxy's worth) NEcron's hmm the army's of Star Vampire's.... yes really want to put yourself in front of that, especially when they are after humanity of which there are more for their master's to chow down on... no need basically to deal with them, they arn't after them!

Only two points left the first being the most obvious and likely possible lack of a webway exit, how many systems will the fleet have to stop at... is not possible one of those will be a part of the webway? destruction of a fleet leading to a new larger one being sent, how many times will the Emporer keep that up before he decides it's not worth the effort?

IDMR · Post by **IDMR** » 2002-08-09 10:20pm

Skelron, would you mind if I shout "Xenos scum!" loudly and behave like a fanatical lunatic (i.e. Inquisitor) in general?

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-08-09 10:26pm

IDMR wrote:Skelron, would you mind if I shout "Xenos scum!" loudly and behave like a fanatical lunatic (i.e. Inquisitor) in general?

Not at all not at all Mon-Keigh not at all... 'Prepare the D-Cannon's on my mark... wait for the Inquistor to start screaming then, and only then open fire...'

IDMR · Post by **IDMR** » 2002-08-09 11:04pm

Skelron wrote:Not at all not at all Mon-Keigh not at all... 'Prepare the D-Cannon's on my mark... wait for the Inquistor to start screaming then, and only then open fire...'

Oh good.

::readies C'tan Force Lance::

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-08-09 11:29pm

Mon-Keigh your time is nearly up, that lance cannot save you... 'Open Fire all Cannons, wipe that pest from view... it's ruining the scenery.'

IDMR · Post by **IDMR** » 2002-08-10 12:06am

I find your lack of faith disturbing, Xenos.

::C'tan lance absorbs all attacks, glows brighter::

EDIT: No more hijacking please - IDMR

Look ma, I just moderated myself!

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-08-10 04:43am

So the Eldar, a dying race, who have suffered a number of vicious setbacks recently, including a Tyranid attack by hive fleet Kraken that wrecked large portions of one of their most prominent craftworlds, are supposed to be the ultimate power now? You say in one post that they can avert any cataclysm, but in another claim that they were unwilling to do anything about the necrons, and the fact that they have done little more than slow the tyranid advance doesn't help your case either. If they are such uber psykers, why couldn't they simply convince the necrons to go back to sleep? As originally envisioned, there was a balance of power in the 40k universe, where the Eldar's ability to see the future, and travel easier to trouble spots than most other races, were only able to maintain a stalemate against all of the hostile forces in the galaxy. Of course, GW threw this out the window when it created the Necrons, but the principle still stands.

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What if a wormhole appeared linking SW and WH40K, and the Em

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