Need Bat-Man help.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2007-12-18 04:59am

I can't draw the damn guy. His "look" eludes me. Sure I could copy someone like Jim Lee or Brian Bolland, but I want my own Bat-Man. My solution? Go back to the original, 'cause if I have to use or copy someone it might as well be Kane's right? So that's what I did. Kane, but with a little Bolland thrown in, just for a few little details.

I think I am close to something I like, but I need some feedback from the Bat-Man experts.

First, here are some sketches...

Here are some more finished drawings, Robin and Nightwing included.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2007-12-18 08:12am

The ears are too spread apart (the long ears are more of a Batman Beyond thinggy), they look more devil-ish than bat-ish. And his nose is too pointy. Aside from that, it's pretty good.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-12-18 08:14am

Is it really important to be able to copy someone else's idea of Batman? Your Batman looks cool.

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2007-12-18 08:16am

He's too fat, the symbol sucks, and Robin looks like an asian prostitute.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2007-12-18 09:51am

Other than the ears looking a little off, though reminiscent of JLU Batman, and him having stubble. That's a damned awesome Batman.

And the stubble doesn't look bad. It just that since Batman's alter-ego is a playboy billionaire and I can't imagine Bruce Wayne's chin ever looking that disreputable.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2007-12-18 10:47am

Aside from making the ears a little straighter, it looks very nice.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2007-12-18 05:48pm

How can 'the' symbol suck when there's four different variations of it in the sketches? None of which, by the way, looks all that bad.
As for the stubble I've looked that way on quite a number of occasions in costume, and even once or twice as Bruce Wayne, in the comics.
As others have pointed out the ears are canted outwards too much and I'd appreciate it if you dropped the phone dial belt buckle but otherwise I rather like it.
As for the ears being on the longish side being a BB thing, NML, Homecoming. Next.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2007-12-18 06:07pm

Keep the stubble, far more interesting than shaven Batman.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » 2007-12-18 07:08pm

Actually this Batman looks more like the old DC Batman.

++http://www.batmanytb.com/comics/titles/ ... 0/dc36.php

Phantasee · Post by **Phantasee** » 2007-12-18 08:04pm

Ears, also, I don't think his jawline should be so pronounced. Make it blend into the shadows more, like the mask is a fabric draped over his face and less like it's form fitted latex (B&R).

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2007-12-18 08:11pm

These two are what I'm inspired from. This Bat-man has always been in my mind.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2007-12-18 08:14pm

Phantasee wrote:Ears, also, I don't think his jawline should be so pronounced. Make it blend into the shadows more, like the mask is a fabric draped over his face and less like it's form fitted latex (B&R).

You might want to elaborate on that because so far it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. What has the jawline got to do with the mask being fabric as opposed to form fitted latex when the mask doesn't COVER the jawline to begin with?

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2007-12-18 08:15pm

I don't think you need to make it look like any other artist's rendition of Bats.

However, I've come to notice that you need to work on your chin variations. Now all your males (and Jennifer Walters) seem to have the same type of chin structure. Currently, most of your males look like the standard Jim Lee hero artwork, which is fine if you do only one character per picture. It would be great if you could vary them between people you illustrate.

My suggestion is you practice making caricatures of people with too big a chin and no chin (front view and side view) and then try drawing everything in between. When you're used to these and have them in your repertoire, variations will come naturally.

This practice suggestion works not just for chins, but for any human anatomy. (Well, it did for me. I'm hoping it'll help you as well.)

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2007-12-18 08:16pm

havokeff wrote:These two are what I'm inspired from. This Bat-man has always been in my mind.

The second of those ALREADY no longer has the dash, you know.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2007-12-18 08:30pm

Old Plympto wrote:I don't think you need to make it look like any other artist's rendition of Bats.

However, I've come to notice that you need to work on your chin variations. Now all your males (and Jennifer Walters) seem to have the same type of chin structure. Currently, most of your males look like the standard Jim Lee hero artwork, which is fine if you do only one character per picture. It would be great if you could vary them between people you illustrate.

My suggestion is you practice making caricatures of people with too big a chin and no chin (front view and side view) and then try drawing everything in between. When you're used to these and have them in your repertoire, variations will come naturally.

This practice suggestion works not just for chins, but for any human anatomy. (Well, it did for me. I'm hoping it'll help you as well.)

Well most of what I post are just sketches, done in 10-40 minutes. When I'm in full on Havok Art Go Mode (TM) That ceases to be a problem.
It's funny that you bring that up though, because while JL is my favorite artist, it certainly isn't for his faces. All his girls look the same, and while his heroes have some variation, mostly thin, muscular and medium, ALL his badguys use the same face.
I actually have a little book of faces, in which once I settle on what I want someone to look like, they go into for reference, just so I don't have that problem.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2007-12-18 08:30pm

Batman wrote:
havokeff wrote:These two are what I'm inspired from. This Bat-man has always been in my mind.
The second of those ALREADY no longer has the dash, you know.

That is really bugging you isn't it?

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2007-12-18 08:52pm

I'm not sure it amounts to bugging but it DOES miff me

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2007-12-18 11:51pm

Your Batman is pretty awesome. I think your Robin is even more on the mark; that Robin is a solid 9.5 out of 10.

I've always liked Robin with more of the flat top look. Makes more sense too; it's hard to grab on to someone's hair in a fight when they don't have much.

I still like your Lobo pic best though... The one where he took out the X Men. Bad ass.

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2007-12-19 01:33am

Batman wrote:How can 'the' symbol suck when there's four different variations of it in the sketches? None of which, by the way, looks all that bad.

And all 4 suck. I like the ears, tho.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2007-12-19 02:51am

Hey Hav, ever draw Green Lantern?

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2007-12-19 03:06am

Nope.

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2007-12-19 03:54am

About the only thing I'd change about his ears is makeing them a bit wider from the side.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2007-12-19 05:05am

Draw him lying face down from numerous bullet holes; or him being patched up by Alfred; who has a bottle of whiskey and is pulling slug after slug out of him with forceps.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2007-12-19 06:25am

Aside from that "horns on the cape" thing, I actually rather like the Batman you have in the OP of your drawing thread.

Oh, and if you're going to draw Robin, please for the love of Ra's al Ghul give him pants.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2007-12-19 06:36am

RogueIce wrote:Aside from that "horns on the cape" thing, I actually rather like the Batman you have in the OP of your drawing thread.

Oh, and if you're going to draw Robin, please for the love of Ra's al Ghul give him pants.

Glad you like it. I hate it. I don't even know why I posted it.
And no way dude. Dick Grayson gets undies.