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Santa Nailed to Cross in Protest

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A man after my own heart (or lack thereof). Unfortunately he's also an idiot.
‘Santa died for your MasterCard’
Man nails Claus to cross to protest commercialism of Christmas

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BREMERTON, Wash. - Art Conrad has an issue with the commercialism of Christmas, and his protest has gone way beyond just shunning the malls or turning off his television.

The Bremerton resident nailed Santa Claus to a 15-foot crucifix in front of his house.

"Santa has been perverted from who he started out to be," Conrad said. "Now he's the person being used by corporations to get us to buy more stuff."

A photo of the crucified Santa adorns Conrad's Christmas cards, with the message "Santa died for your MasterCard."

The display is also Conrad's way of poking fun at political correctness. He believes people do not express their feelings because they are afraid of what other people might think.

His neighbors found the will to express their feelings this past week. Some were offended but many were just curious.

Jake Tally walked by on Friday and chuckled, but did not pretend to understand the message.

"I don't really know what to think. I know it's about God but Santa has nothing to do with it," he told the Kitsap Sun newspaper.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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On the one hand, this will piss of Christians and possibly scar small children for life. That's the good part.

On the other hand, this guy obviousely has no fucking clue what the history of Santa has been for the last 150 years or so. Santa is the Jesus of capitalism.

So I applaud his offending of Christians and mental abuse of children, but he still get's to have a little chat with Dr. House:

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And you're grouping the mental scarrification of children as a positive thing, why exactly? :?
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General Schatten wrote:And you're grouping the mental scarrification of children as a positive thing, why exactly? :?
News flash: children aren't as mentally fragile as we think they are. They can handle finding out that Santa isn't real, at a young age. They can also handle finding out that the guy living down the street is a fucking idiot and that Bible thumpers are not sane.
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Darth Wong wrote:
General Schatten wrote:And you're grouping the mental scarrification of children as a positive thing, why exactly? :?
News flash: children aren't as mentally fragile as we think they are. They can handle finding out that Santa isn't real, at a young age. They can also handle finding out that the guy living down the street is a fucking idiot and that Bible thumpers are not sane.
Not the fucking point, I'm asking why he thinks mentally abusing children is a good thing.
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General Schatten wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
General Schatten wrote:And you're grouping the mental scarrification of children as a positive thing, why exactly? :?
News flash: children aren't as mentally fragile as we think they are. They can handle finding out that Santa isn't real, at a young age. They can also handle finding out that the guy living down the street is a fucking idiot and that Bible thumpers are not sane.
Not the fucking point, I'm asking why he thinks mentally abusing children is a good thing.
It's not "abuse", you fucking idiot. What do you think I was trying to say? Why do I have to spell this out? You're acting just like the Christian fundies who think that children will be traumatized if they see or hear things that don't fit the mainstream world-view.

If some kid is so mentally fragile that he would actually be traumatized by seeing a Santa mannequin nailed to a cross, he and his parents have got some major issues.
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Darth Wong wrote:
General Schatten wrote:
Darth Wong wrote: News flash: children aren't as mentally fragile as we think they are. They can handle finding out that Santa isn't real, at a young age. They can also handle finding out that the guy living down the street is a fucking idiot and that Bible thumpers are not sane.
Not the fucking point, I'm asking why he thinks mentally abusing children is a good thing.
It's not "abuse", you fucking idiot. What do you think I was trying to say? Why do I have to spell this out?
That's a strawman, jackass. I didn't say he was, I asked simply why he thought mentally abusing children was good thing, I said neither way whether or not it actually was mental abuse.
You're acting just like the Christian fundies who think that children will be traumatized if they see or hear things that don't fit the mainstream world-view.
Once again, because it bears repeating, you're erecting a fucking strawman.
If some kid is so mentally fragile that he would actually be traumatized by seeing a Santa mannequin nailed to a cross, he and his parents have got some major issues.
Pretty easy to win a debate when you're the one holding both sides of the god damned conversation, isn't it?
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General Schatten wrote:That's a strawman, jackass. I didn't say he was, I asked simply why he thought mentally abusing children was good thing, I said neither way whether or not it actually was mental abuse.
So you feel that his comment was meant as a serious statement of approval for childhood mental abuse? You honestly believe that? Either you're on drugs or you're an imbecile who doesn't want to admit a mistake.
General Schatten wrote:Pretty easy to win a debate when you're the one holding both sides of the god damned conversation, isn't it?
I assumed you could not be such a goddamned imbecile that you would actually think his statement was meant as a serious endorsement of childhood psychological abuse. If that assumption was in error, then quite frankly, it reflects badly on you, not me.
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Darth Wong wrote:
General Schatten wrote:That's a strawman, jackass. I didn't say he was, I asked simply why he thought mentally abusing children was good thing, I said neither way whether or not it actually was mental abuse.
So you feel that his comment was meant as a serious statement of approval for childhood mental abuse? You honestly believe that? Either you're on drugs or you're an imbecile who doesn't want to admit a mistake.
General Schatten wrote:Pretty easy to win a debate when you're the one holding both sides of the god damned conversation, isn't it?
I assumed you could not be such a goddamned imbecile that you would actually think his statement was meant as a serious endorsement of childhood psychological abuse. If that assumption was in error, then quite frankly, it reflects badly on you, not me.
Last time I checked it's kind of hard to translate the nuances of a joke through a text-only medium without knowing a person very well or a smiley, and considering that there was a member of considerable standing who basically went ballistic arguing that corporal punishment is good for children, I can't be sure. If it was a joke, that's fine, but I'm not going to go through every one of his god damned posts looking for a previous statement where he said otherwise.

Oh, and nice attempt to save face, however, not only did I not say it was actually mental abuse, but nor did I say whether he was serious or not, I asked for clarification.
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General Schatten wrote:Last time I checked it's kind of hard to translate the nuances of a joke through a text-only medium without knowing a person very well or a smiley, and considering that there was a member of considerable standing who basically went ballistic arguing that corporal punishment is good for children, I can't be sure.
Yeah, right. You needed clairvoyance to see what should have been obvious to anyone with half a brain, right?
If it was a joke, that's fine, but I'm not going to go through every one of his god damned posts looking for a previous statement where he said otherwise.
You actually think you need to go through someone's posting history to confirm that he does not have a serious general policy of approving the abuse of children? :roll:
Oh, and nice attempt to save face, however, not only did I not say it was actually mental abuse, but nor did I say whether he was serious or not, I asked for clarification.
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General Schatten wrote:And you're grouping the mental scarrification of children as a positive thing, why exactly?
You did not ask for clarification about whether he seriously believed it was good to mentally traumatize children. You asked why he believed this. What, you think I can't just scroll back up this page and see how full of shit you are?

I love the way you accuse me of trying to "save face". Nice case of projection, kiddo.
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Darth Wong wrote:Yeah, right. You needed clairvoyance to see what should have been obvious to anyone with half a brain, right?
Whatever, Wong, I can't help you if you don't understand that language can be interpreted entirely different ways depending on tone and body language, both of which, again, can not be observed in a text only format.
You actually think you need to go through someone's posting history to confirm that he does not have a serious general policy of approving the abuse of children? :roll:
You're seriously going to stand there and tell me you've never run into one of those people who like to torture and abuse their children attempting to say it 'toughens them up'?
You did not ask for clarification about whether he seriously believed it was good to mentally traumatize children. You asked why he believed this. What, you think I can't just scroll back up this page and see how full of shit you are?

I love the way you accuse me of trying to "save face". Nice case of projection, kiddo.
You're acting just like a fundie of accusing your accuser of what only you are doing.

Notice I simply asked why he grouped it in the good category, I did not expressly say that he believed it. Again, nice attempt.
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General Schatten wrote:And you're grouping the mental scarrification of children as a positive thing, why exactly? :?
It was a fucking joke you goddamned retard. I know that text doesn't always convey sarcastic or sardonic humor very well, but I figured with the subject matter and the fact that I posted a humorous (at least to me) picture after my comments then that would get through.

And do you actually think seeing something like that is going to scar any but the most disturbed children for life? Have you watched any childrens cartoons within the past 20 years?
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General Schatten wrote: And do you actually think seeing something like that is going to scar any but the most disturbed children for life? Have you watched any childrens cartoons within the past 20 years?
Er, dude, you can see from his replies he doesn't think that. Its just a case of someone's sarcasm detector being broken and he thought that a) you thought this would scar children and b) you found the latter positive. He asked about the latter and made no comment on the former point.

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Again, no I didn't think he did believe that, nor did I think he was being sarcastic, I was honestly trying to figure out which one it was, since I had no clue either way.
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Dear god, take the crucifixes with the suffering Jesus out of the churches and classrooms. The children might get nightmares. :roll:
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Art Conrad wrote:Santa has been perverted from who he started out to be," Conrad said. "Now he's the person being used by corporations to get us to buy more stuff."
Man, this is funny. I just read a related debate on Gene Simmons' website.
Gene Simmons wrote:Ok folks. Here it is, straight from Coca Cola's mouth. The modern day "look" of Santa Claus WAS INDEED created by Coca Cola. It is the present day, Worldwide "look" of Santa...created by a beverage company. I'm all for it, incidentally. It's as valid to do that, as European artists in the Renaissance period, making Rabbi Ben Yoseph look like a Nordic, 6 foot man, with straight, blondish hair. Seems rather odd, because the Rabbi was born in Israel and during the period he lived, the average height was 5'5" tall...and the New Testament describes the Rabbi -- bronze skin (dark), curly hair...probably cut shorter. Take a look at the cover of TIME magazine a few years ago, that featured a computerized version of what the Rabbi probably looked like.
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Coca Cola wrote:Most people can agree on what Santa Claus looks like -- jolly, with a red suit and a white beard. But he did not always look that way, and Coca-Cola® advertising actually helped shape this modern-day image of Santa.

2006 marked the 75th anniversary of the famous Coca-Cola Santa Claus. Starting in 1931, magazine ads for Coca-Cola featured St. Nick as a kind, jolly man in a red suit. Because magazines were so widely viewed, and because this image of Santa appeared for more than three decades, the image of Santa most people have today is largely based on our advertising.

Before the 1931 introduction of the Coca-Cola Santa Claus created by artist Haddon Sundblom, the image of Santa ranged from big to small and fat to tall. Santa even appeared as an elf and looked a bit spooky.
Through the centuries, Santa Claus has been depicted as everything from a tall gaunt man to an elf. He has worn a bishop's robe and a Norse huntsman's animal skin. The modern-day Santa Claus is a combination of a number of the stories from a variety of countries.

The Civil War cartoonist Thomas Nast drew Santa Claus for Harper's Weekly in 1862; Santa was shown as a small elf-like figure who supported the Union. Nast continued to draw Santa for 30 years and along the way changed the color of his coat from tan to the now traditional red. Though some people believe the Coca-Cola Santa wears red because that is the Coke® color, the red suit comes from Nast's interpretation of St. Nick.

The Coca-Cola Company began its Christmas advertising in the 1920s with shopping-related ads in magazines like The Saturday Evening Post. The first Santa ads used a strict-looking Claus, in the vein of Thomas Nast.

At this time, many people thought of Coca-Cola as a drink only for warm weather. The Coca-Cola Company began a campaign to remind people that Coca-Cola was a great choice in any month. This began with the 1922 slogan "Thirst Knows No Season," and continued with a campaign connecting a true icon of winter -- Santa Claus -- with the beverage.
In 1930, artist Fred Mizen painted a department store Santa in a crowd drinking a bottle of Coke. The ad featured the world's largest soda fountain, which was located in the department store of Famous Barr Co. in St. Louis, Mo. Mizen's painting was used in print ads that Christmas season, appearing in The Saturday Evening Post in December 1930.

Archie Lee, the D'Arcy Advertising Agency executive working with The Coca-Cola Company, wanted the next campaign to show a wholesome Santa as both realistic and symbolic. In 1931, The Coca-Cola Company commissioned Michigan-born illustrator Haddon Sundblom to develop advertising images using Santa Claus -- showing Santa himself, not a man dressed as Santa, as Mizen’s work had portrayed him.

For inspiration, Sundblom turned to Clement Clark Moore's 1822 poem "A Visit From St. Nicholas" (commonly called "'Twas the Night Before Christmas"). Moore's description of St. Nick led to an image of Santa that was warm, friendly, pleasantly plump and human. For the next 33 years, Sundblom painted portraits of Santa that helped to create the modern image of Santa -- an interpretation that today lives on in the minds of people of all ages, all over the world.

From 1931 to 1964, Coca-Cola advertising showed Santa delivering (and playing!) with toys, pausing to read a letter and enjoy a Coke, playing with children who stayed up to greet him and raiding the refrigerators at a number of homes. The original oil paintings Sundblom created were adapted for Coca-Cola advertising in magazines, store displays, billboards, posters, calendars and even plush dolls. Many of those items today are popular collectibles.

The Coca-Cola Santa made its debut in 1931 in The Saturday Evening Post and appeared regularly in that magazine, as well as Ladies Home Journal, National Geographic, The New Yorker and others. The instantly popular ad campaign appeared each season, reflecting the times. One ad even featured Santa in a rocket!

Sundblom continued to create new visions of Santa Claus through 1964. For decades after, Coca-Cola advertising has featured Santa’s image based on Sundblom’s original works.

These original paintings by Haddon Sundblom are some of the most prized pieces in the art collection of our Company’s Archives Department, and have been on exhibit around the world, including at the Louvre in Paris, the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto, the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, the Isetan Department Store in Tokyo and the NK Department Store in Stockholm.

The Coca-Cola Santa has had a powerful, enduring quality that continues to resonate today. Many of the original paintings can be seen on display at World of Coca-Cola Atlanta or touring during the holiday season.

Did you know?

It's a common misconception that Santa wears a red coat because red is the color of Coca-Cola. In fact, Santa appeared in a red coat before artist Haddon Sundblom painted him for Coca-Cola advertising.

People loved the Coca-Cola Santa images and paid such close attention to them, that when anything changed, they sent letters to The Coca-Cola Company. One year, Santa's large belt was backwards (perhaps because artist Haddon Sundblom used himself as a model and painted by looking in a mirror). Another year, Santa Claus appeared without a wedding ring, causing fans to write asking what happened to Mrs. Claus.

In the beginning, artist Haddon Sundblom painted the image of Santa using a live model -- his friend, Lou Prentiss, a retired salesman. When Prentiss passed away, Sundblom used himself as a model, painting while looking into a mirror. After the 1930s, he used photographs to create the image of St. Nick.

The children who appear with Santa Claus in Haddon Sundlbom’s paintings were based on Sundblom's neighbors. However, the neighbors were both girls, and Sundblom simply changed one to a boy in his paintings!

The dog in the 1964 original Santa Claus painting by artist Haddon Sundblom was actually a gray poodle belonging to the neighborhood florist. Sundblom painted the animal with black fur, instead, to make the dog stand out in the holiday scene.

The image of Santa Claus has appeared on cartons for bottles of Coca-Cola since 1931, when artist Haddon Sundblom first created his version of St. Nick. Early cartons completely covered the bottles of Coke -- almost as if they were inside a box -- and had a handle at the very top. The carton itself was created -- and patented -- by the Coca-Cola system. Introduced in 1923, it allowed people to take home more bottles of Coke.

The Coca-Cola Polar Bear stars with Santa Claus on the 2006 store advertising for the U.S. Hispanic market. The Coca-Cola Polar Bear was introduced in 1993 as part of the "Always Coca-Cola" campaign. The first commercial featuring the bear showed was called "Northern Lights" and showed a group of bears watching a "movie" (the aurora borealis) and drinking from bottles of Coca-Cola.

The "Sprite Boy" character, who appeared with Santa Claus and was used in Coca-Cola advertising in the 1940s and 50s, was also created by artist Haddon Sundblom. Though The Coca-Cola Company does have a drink called Sprite®, the Sprite Boy character was not named for the beverage. Sprite Boy's name came because he is a sprite -- an elf. Sprite Boy first appeared in ads in 1942, while the drink Sprite was not introduced until the 1960s.

In 2001, the artwork from Haddon Sundblom's 1962 original painting was used as the basis for an animated TV commercial starring the Coca-Cola Santa. The ad was created by Academy Award-winning animator Alexandre Petrov.
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Honestly, I have bigger problems with the diamond cartel's manipulation of the engagement ring mythos than I do with the commercialization of Christmas. At least the retailers don't insist that you must spend a minimum of two months' wages on Christmas gifts.
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Man, this is funny. I just read a related debate on Gene Simmons' website.
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I think it's even funnier that when my next statement comes in, I'm sending in a copy of this article and demanding that my balance be paid off since Santa died for my MasterCard.
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Goddamnit, I live in Bremerton! I need to go by there with protest signs or something for the hell of it.

Granted, for all that Washington State is extremely liberal (And has the least-church going population of any state in the Union, at about 25%), Bremerton is a Navy Town, which means it's filled with imported fuckheads from the South.
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Am I the only ones who finds this kind of funny, in a gallows-humor sort of way?
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Durandal wrote:Am I the only ones who finds this kind of funny, in a gallows-humor sort of way?
No. It's one of the funniest goddamned things I've ever seen. This week.

I'm not too impressed with the presentation, though.
Where is the crown of broken coke bottles atop his head?
Where is the 'Macy's' sign around his neck?
Where is the sharpened plastic candycane stuck into his side?
Where is Frosty mourning his savior?
Where is Bremerton so I can commend this guy right before calling him a dumbass?
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How exactly does Santa Clause convince the average person to go out and buy more stuff? I don't understand his argument. Could someone please explain that? :? He says he's being used to get you to buy more stuff, but...that's the last thing I think of when I buy stuff. I am usually thinking of the item itself.
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Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:How exactly does Santa Clause convince the average person to go out and buy more stuff? I don't understand his argument. Could someone please explain that? :? He says he's being used to get you to buy more stuff, but...that's the last thing I think of when I buy stuff. I am usually thinking of the item itself.
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Ah, it's about time someone executed-in-effigy the God of Capitalism for his aiding and abetting of the most heinous crimes against humanity, nature, and common sense, and the most cancerous society in the history of the planet!
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Uraniun235 wrote:Honestly, I have bigger problems with the diamond cartel's manipulation of the engagement ring mythos than I do with the commercialization of Christmas. At least the retailers don't insist that you must spend a minimum of two months' wages on Christmas gifts.
I actually sort of feel sorry for straight men over this one. Though, if you're dating someone who expects that out of engagement ring, you should break up with them.
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