Police Cadets Urged to cause PTSD

[Illuminatus Primus]

Retard, which option has the most potential for causing the most harm to the most people?:

Expelling a few cretins from the police academy who may have psychological problems.

So now you are claiming you were making a clinical diagnosis? You are a stupid fuck.

Allowing those cretins (who thought the slogan "Don't suffer from PTSD, go out and cause it" was appropriate for a banner at their graduation ceremony) to have badges, guns, and people who will cover for them if they abuse their authority?

Let me hold your hand like a small child, so you won't hurt your short bus ass:

Oh come off your high horse. They don't have to be clinically sociopathic (your claim and not a rational conclusion) to have poor judgment and perhaps not be the most fit to be police officers.

[quote="Illuminatus Primus""]Nevertheless, this guys are obviously assholes I don't want to have authority over common people.[/quote]

I guess reading comprehension is not something you've spent the time cramming into your peanut of a skull.

Do have any actual issue with that? Or am I just going to get more bluster, "lolz ur st00pid and juz trying to getz noticedz!1!11" and whining about people throwing around the terms "psycho" and "sociopath" the same way the would "thug" and "nutjob"?

OOOH. I understand, its A-OKAY for Flagg The Attention Whore to use stupid, overwrought, colloquial exaggerations or LOLZ, "jokes"...buh-buh-buh-but if cops do it its TOTALLY DIFFERENT. Right. For the record, I don't support you getting a badge. Or being allowed to replace the toilet paper at public bathrooms either, for that matter. I'm sure this qualifies in to someone with your education as a substantive logical claim.

You're fucking pathetic.

[Flagg]

Retard, which option has the most potential for causing the most harm to the most people?:

Expelling a few cretins from the police academy who may have psychological problems.

So now you are claiming you were making a clinical diagnosis? You are a stupid fuck.

I said may you dumb cunt. And you're going to bitch at me for lacking reading comprehension?

Allowing those cretins (who thought the slogan "Don't suffer from PTSD, go out and cause it" was appropriate for a banner at their graduation ceremony) to have badges, guns, and people who will cover for them if they abuse their authority?

Let me hold your hand like a small child, so you won't hurt your short bus ass:

Oh come off your high horse. They don't have to be clinically sociopathic (your claim and not a rational conclusion) to have poor judgment and perhaps not be the most fit to be police officers.

Which was said to Nitram, and has no bering on anything I've said since I never made the claim that they were clinically socio/psychopathic you braindead cumstain. I flat out said that I used the term "psycho" the same way I would use the term "retard" on you. Well, maybe not quite the same. You do seem to be mentally retarded, since they often fling shit around while screaming unintelligably like yourself.

[quote="Illuminatus Primus""]Nevertheless, this guys are obviously assholes I don't want to have authority over common people.

I guess reading comprehension is not something you've spent the time cramming into your peanut of a skull.[/quote]

Oh my! So we agree! What the bleeding fuck have you been throwing a temper tantrum for? Idiot.

Do have any actual issue with that? Or am I just going to get more bluster, "lolz ur st00pid and juz trying to getz noticedz!1!11" and whining about people throwing around the terms "psycho" and "sociopath" the same way the would "thug" and "nutjob"?

OOOH. I understand, its A-OKAY for Flagg The Attention Whore to use stupid, overwrought, colloquial exaggerations or LOLZ, "jokes"...buh-buh-buh-but if cops do it its TOTALLY DIFFERENT. Right. For the record, I don't support you getting a badge. Or being allowed to replace the toilet paper at public bathrooms either, for that matter. I'm sure this qualifies in to someone with your education as a substantive logical claim.

Don't like having your own style thrown back in your dumbass face, do you? Poor baby.

You're fucking pathetic.

[HemlockGrey]

This is truly ridiculous. The only thing I was taking issue with was the characterization of the cops as psychologically damaged, which I thought was implied by Flagg saying they have "psychological issues". The only real issue here aside from Nitram's trolling is a silly contention over imprecise language.

In the spirit of brotherhood, Flagg, can you see how it was easy to misinterpret your post? Can we all join hands?

[Kamakazie Sith]

I understand the concept of superior culture. You can compare various cultures and make an ethical judgement upon them. To do so without even trying to undrstand a culture is pure arrogance though.

Hardly, when we have empirical evidence that police officers will lie and bully in order to protect their own from the legal consequences of their own actions. There is not a police force in the country which does not suffer from internal corruption on some level. Saying that you need to "understand the culture" in order to say that there's something obviously wrong with it is nothing more than Special Pleading bullshit.

Agreed, but that doesn't justify a near zero tolerance policy for a poor decision. This cadet choose his words poorly, but to take a slogan, which is suppose to be full of machoism, that names an intent against an unspecific group of people seriously to the point that you are willing to destroy all the hard work this cadet put into the academy is absolutely unreasonable.

You know if he had some priors indicating that he was prone to physical violence then I'd probably agree that he needed to be fired, but again the background investigators found nothing of concern, nor did the psych evaluation.

It's a joke in bad taste, and it is harmless.

[Flagg]

This is truly ridiculous. The only thing I was taking issue with was the characterization of the cops as psychologically damaged, which I thought was implied by Flagg saying they have "psychological issues". The only real issue here aside from Nitram's trolling is a silly contention over imprecise language.

In the spirit of brotherhood, Flagg, can you see how it was easy to misinterpret your post? Can we all join hands?

Yes, I can see how my stating that they should be expelled due to "apparent psychological issues" could be taken that way and I probably should have been more nuanced in the way I put that. But to clarify now, long after the fact, I think the "apparent psychological issues" (apparent as in "appears to be", at least that's how I was using it) is what the basis for their expulsion should have been. Those issues being the fact that they thought it would be appropriate to have that particular slogan for their graduating class.

The problem was that by the time I got back to the thread again, the shit had hit the fan.

[Metatwaddle]

Or you know, refuse the assholes who came up with it graduation due to them having apparent psychological issues.

It probably meant towards criminals, and most young cops think they are going to be arresting psychopathic criminals, and that's who this message was towards. Not your typical person who's made a mistake.

Yeah, because if there's one thing that society needs, it's giving more mental disorders to people who are already fucked up.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Or you know, refuse the assholes who came up with it graduation due to them having apparent psychological issues.

It probably meant towards criminals, and most young cops think they are going to be arresting psychopathic criminals, and that's who this message was towards. Not your typical person who's made a mistake.

Yeah, because if there's one thing that society needs, it's giving more mental disorders to people who are already fucked up.

Chances are the people I'm thinking about already have a mental disorder. People like the VT Tech shooter, Trolley Square, Columbine, etc. The way you deal with those people usually involves severe trauma - lots of bullets.

Again, we're not talking about someone that just made a mistake.

However, it's irrelevant because as I already stated several pages ago that doesn't make the message better. It's still inappropriate, but is it a message of actual intent. Unless someone can dig up some prior illegal violence from this cadet I'm inclined to chalk it up to a mistake.

[Metatwaddle]

Chances are the people I'm thinking about already have a mental disorder. People like the VT Tech shooter, Trolley Square, Columbine, etc. The way you deal with those people usually involves severe trauma - lots of bullets.

Again, we're not talking about someone that just made a mistake.

However, it's irrelevant because as I already stated several pages ago that doesn't make the message better. It's still inappropriate, but is it a message of actual intent. Unless someone can dig up some prior illegal violence from this cadet I'm inclined to chalk it up to a mistake.

That was exactly the point I was making. Giving more mental disorders to already incorrigible people would, if anything, make them more violent and harmful to society. I don't have any pity for those people, but giving them PTSD would just make things worse for their potential/future victims.

Anyway, this was my first viewing of the thread, and I somehow managed to miss the fact that it was four pages long before posting, and I don't want to beat that particular comment to death. However, I'd still like to know this:

Is the culture of macho bullshit so pervasive in police academies that people actually think it's a good idea to put "Yay for giving other people PTSD!" on graduation banners, or T-shirts, or whatever the hell it was? I mean, the other people in his class okayed it. In a civilized group of people, the others would have given him a funny look and said, "On our graduation banner? That would make us look like a bunch of assholes." What's going on?

[Aaron]

Even if these cops cause someone to develop PTSD that is completely normal, there is a significant chance that this person will commit criminal activity because he has PTSD. Adding to the cops workload.

I'm undecided whether these guys are posturing and making light of the topic because they don't understand or don't think it will happen to them, so it's funny. Or if it's a black humor reaction to someone they know with PTSD, like the "Crazy Train" float the soldiers in Edmonton had in a parade. Both are pretty common scenarios when dealing with this topic.

[Darth Wong]

It's still inappropriate, but is it a message of actual intent.

Why does it need to be a message of clear intent? What bothers me most about this message is the way it suggests a certain fratboy-like attitude to the job: the same kind of clubbish attitude which seems like it could easily morph into the infamous "blue wall" of police corruption down the line.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Fun fact: college social fraternities and police departments share a connection to ex-military. The former were founded by them (largely Civil War veterans) and the latter are staffed with them. Not hard to see where hazing, wagon-circling and opaqueness comes from.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Is the culture of macho bullshit so pervasive in police academies that people actually think it's a good idea to put "Yay for giving other people PTSD!" on graduation banners, or T-shirts, or whatever the hell it was? I mean, the other people in his class okayed it. In a civilized group of people, the others would have given him a funny look and said, "On our graduation banner? That would make us look like a bunch of assholes." What's going on?

It depends. In my academy it was impotant to never quit, and always be confident in yourself. Our slogan had the word "Hardcore" in it, and that's about as macho as we got.

However, a lot of other police academies, especially in California, are being run like USMC boot camp. I personally don't agree with that. A slogan like this one could very likely be seen in that type of enviroment. Hell, I'm in the air force and we had slogans that I feel are inappropriate, but that IS military life.

[Kamakazie Sith]

It's still inappropriate, but is it a message of actual intent.

Why does it need to be a message of clear intent? What bothers me most about this message is the way it suggests a certain fratboy-like attitude to the job: the same kind of clubbish attitude which seems like it could easily morph into the infamous "blue wall" of police corruption down the line.

It depends on what consequences you have in mind. Whoever was involved should be punished, and maybe have to take the psyche test again.

However, I don't agree with firing him because the logic here seems to be that this slogan is a better insight into this persons psychology than the actual background investigation, and psyche evaluation.