He had no reason to skin that guy, especially when he made a point of destroying EVERY OTHER BODY.
Sure he did. The guy was a fair kill but didn't put up enough of a fight to warrant taking his skull.
I noted this bit before I went into the movie but the only bodies I recall him destroying were alien corpses and the corpses of people who'd died via chestburster. He never bothered disposing of the body of anyone he killed.
Also, Wolf had some damn nice toys with him (and I loved that bit with him saying a few words over the bodies of the dead in the ship).
Predators are revealed to have uber-tech of pretty much arbitrary power, yet still have a stupid hunter-culture thing going on. At least this Pred never voluntarily abandoned a gun, though he did ditch some equipment in the final fight (why did the Predalien give him time?)
Well there was at least the fact we see a non-hunting pred (aside from what looks like 1 kill of opportunity).
And is just me or did Wolf stop by 40K and steal a power fist on his way to the movie?
Oh, incidentally - we didn't see the horrible stupidity from the last film, of Predators heading into an Alien hive taking along melee weapons that could be melted by exposure to Alien blood. That alone bumped this one up a few notches in my estimation.
Darth Wong wrote:I'm so sick of xeno-wanking. I'm sick of all the contrived reasons that they always do better in those movies than they should.
I'm sure you've covered examples of this in other films, but I'm curious to know what you found "contrived" about the Aliens in this film. I felt like their performance in this film seemed pretty convincing with their established abilities, barring a few instances where I would have expected their acid to do more than it was shown to. The Alien that was shot atop the helicopter for instance, at the very end. I assumed the rain washed it clear of the chopper before it could melt through a significant amount of metal.
IMHO the Predator responce to the scenario that unfolded was praticularly retarded, sending in one hunter to deal with the mess disolving evidence with that blue liquid of his. At least have him go into the town when the shit hits the fan and plant a Pred-nuke, call in re-enforcemtns or something once he realized that the infestation had proceeeded too far.
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Darth Wong wrote:I'm so sick of xeno-wanking. I'm sick of all the contrived reasons that they always do better in those movies than they should.
I'm sure you've covered examples of this in other films, but I'm curious to know what you found "contrived" about the Aliens in this film. I felt like their performance in this film seemed pretty convincing with their established abilities, barring a few instances where I would have expected their acid to do more than it was shown to. The Alien that was shot atop the helicopter for instance, at the very end. I assumed the rain washed it clear of the chopper before it could melt through a significant amount of metal.
I haven't seen this one yet. But I have seen every other Alien or Predator-related film, and the first crossover. I also saw someone mention that the Aliens had sprouted yet another brand new capability, and can now rapid-reproduce without the Queen/egg/facehugger implantation cycle. Sounds like more xeno-wanking to me.
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Darth Wong wrote:I'm so sick of xeno-wanking. I'm sick of all the contrived reasons that they always do better in those movies than they should.
I'm sure you've covered examples of this in other films, but I'm curious to know what you found "contrived" about the Aliens in this film. I felt like their performance in this film seemed pretty convincing with their established abilities, barring a few instances where I would have expected their acid to do more than it was shown to. The Alien that was shot atop the helicopter for instance, at the very end. I assumed the rain washed it clear of the chopper before it could melt through a significant amount of metal.
I haven't seen this one yet. But I have seen every other Alien or Predator-related film, and the first crossover. I also saw someone mention that the Aliens had sprouted yet another brand new capability, and can now rapid-reproduce without the Queen/egg/facehugger implantation cycle. Sounds like more xeno-wanking to me.
That's just the Pred-Alien. It implants something (Eggs? Immature chestbusters?) via the mouth into the torso, and can thus turn someone into a multiple-Alien incubator.
The only way this makes sense to me is if Predator reproduction directly involves their mouthparts.
I'm just gonna watch this movie in the Traditional Filipino fashion then. Yarrr!
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Connor MacLeod wrote:I've heard the Aliens/Xenos in this movie are completely invisible on IR. Is this true, and did they make a big fucking deal about it?
A xeno that just entered a store from the rain outdoors is very faintly visible, the Pred-alien who'd been on the pred ship since it's birth was completely invisible on IR. I'm glad they remembered that bit from Aliens.
I haven't seen this one yet. But I have seen every other Alien or Predator-related film, and the first crossover. I also saw someone mention that the Aliens had sprouted yet another brand new capability, and can now rapid-reproduce without the Queen/egg/facehugger implantation cycle. Sounds like more xeno-wanking to me.
The decidedly mutant Predalien is the only one who can do this. As with A:R we seem to have another case of the xeno reproduction system going extremely fucking wonky when large amounts of foreign genetics get mixed in.
That said they were as successful as they were because the Pred-alien started churning out large numbers of xenos before anyone knew what was going on and during the early stages of the attack when you've got a bunch of civilians running around in a panic or stuck in a traffic jam (or as I like to call it, a buffet line). There's a scene later where the civvies, armed with nothing more than shotguns and hunting rifles have 'circled the wagons' as it were and they seem like they could hold the things off until their ammo runs out.
In short the grand Xeno tradition. Do well against civvies and the occasional small group of ambushed soldiers.. die horribly against people with guns they haven't managed to sneak up on.
FTeik wrote:I seem to recall from the novel of the first Alien-movie, that the xenos were able to reproduce without a queen.
Yeah, Ripley found one of the crew members who had been hauled off, alive and stuck in a cocoon where he was turning into an alien. Or had one implanted in him. I believe she put him out of his misery.
In the scene cut from the movie, Captain Dallas was trapped by the alien's secretions and, it seemed, was actually being subsumed by them, as it seemd his lower legs were either encased or had been replaced by a partially-grown alien egg.
A fascinating idea, I always thought. Too bad it was cut.
I'm just gonna watch this movie in the Traditional Filipino fashion then. Yarrr!
Gonna watch it in the whowhatnow?
Let me guess... via some unauthorized source on the internets.
In the scene cut from the movie, Captain Dallas was trapped by the alien's secretions and, it seemed, was actually being subsumed by them, as it seemd his lower legs were either encased or had been replaced by a partially-grown alien egg.
A fascinating idea, I always thought. Too bad it was cut.
I think that scene exists in the "director's edition" or whatever ever it was called when the Quadriliogy was released on DVD a few years ago, so maybe it's canon now? I'm too tired to look at it now, or to research what the hell in the Alien universe is considered canon, but maybe someone else knows for sure.
I'm just gonna watch this movie in the Traditional Filipino fashion then. Yarrr!
Gonna watch it in the whowhatnow?
Let me guess... via some unauthorized source on the internets.
More like $1.something DVDs.
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Those DVDs made using video some schmo shot of the movie screen? Ugh. If you're going to pirate, at least pirate a quality source!
*cough* Isn't talking about piracy like that against board policy?
Sorry if it didn't come across, but "If you're going to pirate, at least pirate a quality source!" was meant to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Just to be clear, I do not support piracy, (no matter the policy of the board)and I've said so elsewhere.
Well, I just got back from watching it, and several of my complaints are:
1) Everything ended up happening too quickly, the movie felt forced along. I mean, at most three days and the whole town ended up getting nuked. It would've worked much better if it had been stretched across a greater timeline, like at least a week or two, with a real military effort to contain the city. Sure would've improved the overall lighting quality too.
2) Too many of the fighting scenes suffered the typical bullshit "can't see fuck all except blurs and movment" syndrome. Coupled with the shitty lighting.
3) The cheesy final fight whereas the Predalien gave the Predator time to do the "strip off my weapons and unveil my face" scene. Like the Alien would give a fuck, and nor would a smart Predator really try that in that situation. And we saw the fucking Pred's face right at the beginning of the movie, so who the fuck is going to be impressed/awed anyhow?
Overall, I did see some improvements, like the Predator coming across as much more predator like. I'd say it is better than the first film, but still had huge amounts of room for improvement.
I wish the franchise could have been more related to the ending of Predator 2. It could tie up the loose ends of the Predator technology that was seemingly left on Earth. Heck, it could have been a franchise for Adam Baldwin and his second crack at the predators, only with aliens mixed in.
The Aliens have, for a long time, taken the characteristics of their hosts. I have no idea about the fiction or anything, but the numbers of fingers and so on that the aliens have seem extremely variable, so there's at least some variety of mutation involved--and I remember back in the day seeing toys and enemies in arcade games that included Bull Aliens that went on four feet and came from facehugged cattle or winged flying xenos and such that must have come from a bird.
Well, it depends on what you consider to be canon. That's a debate I don't want to do. However, from the looks of it, I'd say that Alien 3 is the earliest and best of the evidence from just the movies. Other sources are up to you.
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